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Tine11 -> Phil. of M/s relationship (help) (11/21/2005 1:59:41 AM)

here goes nuthen. I am currently in a Philophy (sp) and we have a open to assingment to write what we belive to philophy behidn a topic of our choice. Since i have recently started looking to lifestyle as choose for myself if figure what better time, it can only better help me understand what i am looking into. Here is a rought outline and my thoughts on the chosen subject. I was wondering if yall could comment on them, making note of were i might have something mixed up. Your help woudl be aprishated. So here we go

Theses: The master/slave relationship is one that can give the slave freedom, equality and inner strenghth.

Freedom:
can be found ones choice to enter the lifestyle
-volentary slavery, in which it is a choose for her/him self
-free to live up to expections on one person, and not the world
-a slave can leave said relatioship at any time
-due the fact that the contract between master and slave is not a legal document, he or she still has their freedoms of a person under the law
--freedom lies in happyness with ones life and the right to choose how they live their life

Equality
-a contract notiaced befor accepting a coller is still nociatable after the fact, and conversation held about said contrat are to be held respectfuly but in the mind set the two people are on equal ground and one is not better then the other
-the slave lives to please his/her master, and the master takes care of the slave as thought she were a prised possion,
-teachs her
-learns who she is inside and out, and what makes her who she is
-she learns how best to please her master
-both master and slave are expected to lisson to eachother and tyr their best understand were the other is comming from
-the master shall suport the slave through times of troubles, and vise versa
-the master makes sure the slave has all that he/she needs to live (food, shelter and clothing)
-the slave earns them + wants by serving her master well

Inner stregth
-I am people pleaser
-I try to live up to everyones expection even in they conflict with eachother
-i will always be their for anyone who needs help day or night no matter what kind of emothional shape i am in
-i feel bad asking for help when i really need it, and my life may depend on it, espeaclly at odd or late hours of the night
-how this lifestyle can help a person like me
-by choosing to be part of a M/s relationshipi dedicate my life to pleaseing one person adn living up to their expections
-one person not the world, master comes first adn his/her expections come first
-my emothonal energy will not get drained as quicly because their one person over all else i serve, and if i am allowed i can pour my energy into others that need it
-master will realze when emounally i am drained and offer help, so that i do hit rock bottom
-i am open an honest with master if feel as thought something is wrong, allowing him/her to understand what i am feeling and why
-their is someone who when they make decisons are thinking of my best interest, even if it may not be what want, and i follow masters orders because i understand he/she is only looking out for my well being

*using the term i will be required in said paper becuase it is supose to be a personal philophy, or at least how i see it*

Have i misunerstood something?
Have i missed a huge peace in the idea behind i all together?
All are welcome to answer but i posted it here becaues i am writng it form the the slaves point of view.

Thanks for the insite

Tine



fyreredsub -> RE: Phil. of M/s relationship (help) (11/21/2005 4:02:07 AM)

well i've not had enough coffee but i do beleive that some slaves have jobs and work for a living.

and in my world, a slave is not free to walk away whenever they chose,for if they do they have no honor or integrity. when one gives up their soul...there exists chains that bind....( in reality for others, i guess a slave can.....) only in dire circumstances would i ever beg for release

contracts some use them some don't....its not negotiable in the world of the man i would wish to call my Master, you may however, present certain opinions or matters in such a way that he may chose to consider them

you only have the freedoms that master gives you............the law doesn't matter anymore...then you are serving 2 masters..............[:D]

M/s isnt a game for all....some do live it w/ all they have in them 24/7 for life.... more binding than wedding vows

one doesn't have to be a people pleaser to be a slave,
if that is your case....????i havent had my morning doseage yet..lol
my 02 before a zillion cups of coffee

sounds like you will do well w/ your paper...
rememebr these are just my opinions doesn't mean they are right for anyone else/




Tine11 -> RE: Phil. of M/s relationship (help) (11/21/2005 5:23:37 AM)

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ORIGINAL: fyreredsub

well i've not had enough coffee but i do beleive that some slaves have jobs and work for a living.

and in my world, a slave is not free to walk away whenever they chose,for if they do they have no honor or integrity. when one gives up their soul...there exists chains that bind....( in reality for others, i guess a slave can.....) only in dire circumstances would i ever beg for release

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i am not sayign i would i am just staying its possable, (keepoign in mind professor considers it all role play and nothign else, he woudl shoot me if i did not make note of that or even relealise it)

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contracts some use them some don't....its not negotiable in the world of the man i would wish to call my Master, you may however, present certain opinions or matters in such a way that he may chose to consider them

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thanks for the imput if you expand on that and i explain i would be greatful if only to see why you and your master see it that way adn to better understand it

[qoote]

you only have the freedoms that master gives you............the law doesn't matter anymore...then you are serving 2 masters..............[:D]

M/s isnt a game for all....some do live it w/ all they have in them 24/7 for life.... more binding than wedding vows

quote:



when doing my search for the person i will ultamently live wiht, i have come to feel the same way about about it, but once i again i feel i need to make that i still have freedoms under the eyes of the law baced on how proffessor feels

quote:



one doesn't have to be a people pleaser to be a slave,
if that is your case....????i havent had my morning doseage yet..lol
my 02 before a zillion cups of coffee

sounds like you will do well w/ your paper...
rememebr these are just my opinions doesn't mean they are right for anyone else/




thanks for help, i only reason i use a people pleaseer si because that is what i am, and its supose to be a more personal. thus allwoing me to dig deeper into myself and why i feel this right for me, and how i feel this lifestyle can server me and help me grow in who i am



IrishMist -> RE: Phil. of M/s relationship (help) (11/21/2005 5:35:46 AM)

quote:

Theses: The master/slave relationship is one that can give the slave freedom, equality and inner strenghth.

Freedom:
can be found ones choice to enter the lifestyle
-volentary slavery, in which it is a choose for her/him self
-free to live up to expections on one person, and not the world
-a slave can leave said relatioship at any time
-due the fact that the contract between master and slave is not a legal document, he or she still has their freedoms of a person under the law
--freedom lies in happyness with ones life and the right to choose how they live their life


Freedom is most often found (from what I would gather) in accepting who you are, and what you want out of life. Granted, freedom can be found by entering the 'lifestyle', but not for the reasons that you state. ( and these are just MY OPINIONS, nothing else. In no way do I claim to be an expert on this) First off, if I read your first one correctly...A slave can voluntarily enter into a contract, BUT, once the contract has been discussed and signed by both parties, the slave no longer has the right to choose for him/herself. It does not mean that they lose their individuality or right to an opinion, only that they have Passed over the power of decisions to their master.

Second, a slave DOES NOT HAVE the right to leave at any time. A slave may REQUEST to be released, but does not have the right to just leave.

Legality comes in many forms. While some adhere strictly to the code of law that is written, there are laws outside of the paper that many hold sacred. For example; the Ten Commandments, while some have been written into actual law, the rest are unwritten laws that 99% of the population follows. When you enter into a contract, you do so with the belief, deep down in your soul, that the contract is legal and binding, and that you must do everything within your power to uphold it.

Your equality sections sounds good, except for one small detail that I would have to disagree with. In a Master/slave relationship, the two are not equals. (again these are just my opinons and perceptions)

Overall though, I think you are off to a good start for your thesis. I would be interested in seeing how it develops through time.



LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Phil. of M/s relationship (help) (11/21/2005 6:20:50 AM)

Is this like a beginner class? Trying to get you to start critically examining and parsing out your own ways of being?

All of your ideas are pretty vague generalizations with no specific underlying thread to them or any separating ideas either. Everything you state can be equally applied to vanilla relationships.

Go deeper.



Tine11 -> RE: Phil. of M/s relationship (help) (11/21/2005 6:30:44 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

Is this like a beginner class? Trying to get you to start critically examining and parsing out your own ways of being?

All of your ideas are pretty vague generalizations with no specific underlying thread to them or any separating ideas either. Everything you state can be equally applied to vanilla relationships.

Go deeper.


Its for my examened life, and see were i need to go deeper but i think may be were the lines start become fuzzy for me, and it becomes more feeling. the question is hwo do expess what i feels so right inside??????????? my question for the day i shall see what i come up with



LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Phil. of M/s relationship (help) (11/21/2005 6:31:37 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Tine11
the question is hwo do expess what i feels so right inside??????????? my question for the day i shall see what i come up with

The ultimate mind/body question. Excellent progress.



happypervert -> RE: Phil. of M/s relationship (help) (11/21/2005 7:10:19 AM)

quote:

Second, a slave DOES NOT HAVE the right to leave at any time. A slave may REQUEST to be released, but does not have the right to just leave.

Really? Then how about explaining what the slave does if the master says "No".



IrishMist -> RE: Phil. of M/s relationship (help) (11/21/2005 7:49:26 AM)

Well, it is my understanding ( and please bear in mind that this is just what I am able to understand from reading and listening to others...so feel free to correct me if I am way off base) that if a slave requests to be released, both parties sit down and discuss the reasons why. If after a discussion, the issues can not be resolved, then the Master makes the decision to release the slave.

Now, I have never run across someone saying that their Master refused to release them after discussing the issues (if there are cases then please speak up), so, I can not honestly say what would happen if he just came right out and said NO.



Sensualips -> RE: Phil. of M/s relationship (help) (11/21/2005 10:44:41 AM)

I am unclear on the exact specifics of the assignment and certainly I have been out of school for a while. Philosophy is the practice of making and assessing arguments. A set of statements, premises, that work together to support the conclusion.

The idea is making and assessing arguments can moveone towards understanding the truth. The process helps make us aware of our reasons for believing what we believe, and it enables us to use reason and logic when we discuss these beliefs with other people. Your philosophy teacher probably wants to help you learn to make strong arguments and to assess the arguments other people make.

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supose to be a personal philophy


You said you will be required to use "I" and tell from your point of view. So the theses should maybe be "The master/slave relationship is one that can give ME freedom, equality and inner strenghth." I would see the thesis as your conclusion, so work hard ongetting it just right.

Now you just need to indentify the premises, any evidence (which in this case would be tricky as you are talking about a very personal conclusion), and clarify any assumptions.
If this is a personal philosophy as you see it, the opinions of posters or other slaves would not be relevant? It might give you some things to consider, but every relationship is different and what a slave would gain would be different. You have identified three things that are important to you. Are you trying to develop a philosophy behind why you would choose this lifestyle and how your ideal M/s relationship would give YOU a sense of freedom, equality, and inner strength?







Tine11 -> RE: Phil. of M/s relationship (help) (11/21/2005 12:55:26 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Sensualips
Are you trying to develop a philosophy behind why you would choose this lifestyle and how your ideal M/s relationship would give YOU a sense of freedom, equality, and inner strength?



Yes in the sense that i need to to figure out what this means to me and no in since that their have been lots of comenaliteis baced on all i have read, and my understanding overall. I can see them clearly adn how the freedom, equality, and innter strength can make me really happy with life. I can tells just baces on attaude that most of yall are truley happy with your decisions.



Tine11 -> RE: Phil. of M/s relationship (help) (11/21/2005 1:00:23 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: IrishMist

Well, it is my understanding ( and please bear in mind that this is just what I am able to understand from reading and listening to others...so feel free to correct me if I am way off base) that if a slave requests to be released, both parties sit down and discuss the reasons why. If after a discussion, the issues can not be resolved, then the Master makes the decision to release the slave.

Now, I have never run across someone saying that their Master refused to release them after discussing the issues (if there are cases then please speak up), so, I can not honestly say what would happen if he just came right out and said NO.


Yes i have realized this, and it feels wrong to just leave a relationship liek this w/out a discussion. however the only reason i have that in their is becuase my professors knows a domme who just decided one day she did want it anymore an left so i am including it my paper along wiht the idea that as people we still have the rigth the government gives us to show my professor that i have really looked at it. In the paper i will go deeper in deapth with them, and plan on explaining that why one could just up leave, i would never do that because i see this type of relatioship as a strong emouthal tie to a person,and i could not just leave any relatioship with out giving the oppoiste party a chance to sit down and disccuss it.



fyreredsub -> RE: Phil. of M/s relationship (help) (11/21/2005 2:01:03 PM)

aye that would be a whole nother paper, Gorean philosophy........ownership is complete w/ the one i would one day be owned by(in my fantasy world/maybe soon one day reality)...
he has final say period,end of story.
i can put out ,in the proper manner, my feelings on a given subject...but the finality of the decision his.
therefore no contract is needed. i would unevocably trust this master w/ all that i hold near and dear in my world that he would make the best decisions regarding me and mine-that my best interests are at heart.
one does not take lousy care(i'm sure it can be agrued that there exists those that do...) of valuable property anymore than they put a horse up wet.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Tine11

quote:

ORIGINAL: fyreredsub

well i've not had enough coffee but i do beleive that some slaves have jobs and work for a living.

and in my world, a slave is not free to walk away whenever they chose,for if they do they have no honor or integrity. when one gives up their soul...there exists chains that bind....( in reality for others, i guess a slave can.....) only in dire circumstances would i ever beg for release

quote:





i am not sayign i would i am just staying its possable, (keepoign in mind professor considers it all role play and nothign else, he woudl shoot me if i did not make note of that or even relealise it)

quote:



contracts some use them some don't....its not negotiable in the world of the man i would wish to call my Master, you may however, present certain opinions or matters in such a way that he may chose to consider them

quote:



thanks for the imput if you expand on that and i explain i would be greatful if only to see why you and your master see it that way adn to better understand it

[qoote]

you only have the freedoms that master gives you............the law doesn't matter anymore...then you are serving 2 masters..............[:D]

M/s isnt a game for all....some do live it w/ all they have in them 24/7 for life.... more binding than wedding vows

quote:



when doing my search for the person i will ultamently live wiht, i have come to feel the same way about about it, but once i again i feel i need to make that i still have freedoms under the eyes of the law baced on how proffessor feels

quote:



one doesn't have to be a people pleaser to be a slave,
if that is your case....????i havent had my morning doseage yet..lol
my 02 before a zillion cups of coffee

sounds like you will do well w/ your paper...
rememebr these are just my opinions doesn't mean they are right for anyone else/




thanks for help, i only reason i use a people pleaseer si because that is what i am, and its supose to be a more personal. thus allwoing me to dig deeper into myself and why i feel this right for me, and how i feel this lifestyle can server me and help me grow in who i am



veronicaofML -> RE: Phil. of M/s relationship (help) (11/21/2005 3:21:39 PM)


and in my world, a slave is not free to walk away whenever they chose,for if they do they have no honor or integrity. when one gives up their soul...there exists chains that bind....( in reality for others, i guess a slave can.....) only in dire circumstances would i ever beg for release
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gives up their soul? hmm. not been there or done that.
that's what i like about being unattached and uninvolved. i can walk any time i want..and not look back.
take care



Wildfleurs -> RE: Phil. of M/s relationship (help) (11/21/2005 4:06:16 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: happypervert

quote:

Second, a slave DOES NOT HAVE the right to leave at any time. A slave may REQUEST to be released, but does not have the right to just leave.

Really? Then how about explaining what the slave does if the master says "No".


The slave stays.

If you take the time to actually ask for permission then you should honor the response. If you don't want to actually ask for permission then I say leave.

C~



swtnsparkling -> RE: Phil. of M/s relationship (help) (11/21/2005 4:59:57 PM)

[g]that's what i like about being unattached and uninvolved.[/g]
and you are owned? why bother



Jasmyn -> RE: Phil. of M/s relationship (help) (11/21/2005 5:07:03 PM)


quote:

Wildfleurs

If you take the time to actually ask for permission then you should honor the response.
C~


Nice response



veronicaofML -> RE: Phil. of M/s relationship (help) (11/21/2005 11:07:05 PM)

[g]that's what i like about being unattached and uninvolved.[/g]
and you are owned? why bother

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i "bother" because it is out of the goodnesss of my heart.....
i ain't into this for ME like far too many "I" see........
i do this.............just..........to be............in service. THAT is it's own reward.
no sex
no love
no s/m
domestics ONLY.
no legal ties or moral issues.......

i like being foot loose n fancy free.
i can walk any time i want to.....and not look back.

it's MY way.
pure 100% no strings domestics.



Tine11 -> paper rouft draft done (12/11/2005 10:47:00 AM)

i have finished my paper rouft draft, for anyone who would like to read. If so just send me a mesage.

Tine



fyreredsub -> RE: paper rouft draft done (12/11/2005 12:21:30 PM)

i would be interested.thanks



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