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RE: It was bound to happen - 8/19/2008 3:09:34 PM   
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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

The really sad thing about this is that any of you people gives a flying duck's fuck what anybody else than yourselves think about abortion (and it's sad that political leaders should be put on the spot with it too). The subject's become like religion: a completely irrelevant matter to the really important issues that concern this country that gets discussed for purely mercantile and political means.



I think you are missing the point on this one.  The office these men are running for, will potentially be placing folks on the supreme court, which can keep the status quo or reverse roe v wade.  So their positions on the issue are actually pretty damn important.

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RE: It was bound to happen - 8/19/2008 4:15:39 PM   
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RE: It was bound to happen - 8/19/2008 4:52:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		I take Obama's "pay grade" remark as a Freudian slip on his part. He knows he's not prepared to lead... he's a Junior Senator. He's got no experience at all!

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RE: It was bound to happen - 8/19/2008 6:05:05 PM   
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Both candidates suck. They are both politicians


See, here's how it works----people interested in running for office decide to get into politics. They are then politicians. They then run for office.

Thanks for playing.

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RE: It was bound to happen - 8/19/2008 6:09:04 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Sanity

I take Obama's "pay grade" remark as a Freudian slip on his part. He knows he's not prepared to lead... he's a Junior Senator. He's got no experience at all!


Actually, there's a serious school of thought that NO senators can appropriately switch to the executive branch (although obviously, some have).

Otherwise, this is a silly overstatement. Comparisons with many, many other presidents would also indicate otherwise (including Lincoln).

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RE: It was bound to happen - 8/19/2008 6:22:07 PM   
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how could anyone try to be Reagan more than Bush?


It's worse than that.

Cheney and Rumsfeld tried to recreate Nixon. Rice, a Sovietologist, is doing her best to recreate the Cold War.

But Bush is trying to be Coolidge (who Reagan also admired). Or more simply, he's dismantling FDR's New Deal as much as he can. "The business of America is business," touted Coolidge, creating a society where the top 1% of the populace earned over 20% of the income. As others increasing turned to credit just to get by, the economy became unsustainable, and when that top heavy imbalance reached 23%, the market crashed and we entered the Great Depression, with 25% of Americans out of work.

Unfortunately, people eat up the sound bites about "smaller government" and vote against their own best interests. And probably will continue to do so.

Bush's business record was running two wildcat oil companies bankrupt, and assuming ownership of a sports team with a group of wealthy partners who built facilities at taxpayers' expense. He had so little experience that a 60 Minutes reporter asked him "Can you name the Prime Minister of Pakistan?" and Bush sarcastically replied, "No. Can you?" as if Pakistan and its military "president" were clearly irrelevant to American interests.

And his military experience? Nothing beyond suiting up and not reporting for duty.

Didn't stop people from electing him.

And yes, only to repeat not Reagan's mistakes, but hubris. As Cheney put it, "Reagan proved that deficits don't matter." Clearly they do---but not to voters who just wanted to be told "Its morning in America," so they could stop doing all that damn thinking.


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RE: It was bound to happen - 8/20/2008 2:37:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well the Hillraisers met with a McCain senior advisor today..

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2008/07/16/mccain-surrogate-fiorina-meets-with-clinton-supporters/

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The Westchester meeting came at the behest of former Clinton supporters, some of whom have said – adamantly – that they won’t support Obama. Polls show Obama winning the majority of support from women voters while about a quarter of ex-Clinton supporters are leaning toward McCain. The meeting wasn’t stocked with typical voters, however. These were prominent activists and fund-raisers, including several known as “Hillraisers,’’ who raised more than $100,000 for Clinton during the primary season. “I didn’t ask how many of them were Hillraisers but certainly a number of them were,’’ Fiorina said.

Nor, Fiorina said, did she ask the women whether Clinton knew they had arranged the meeting with her. Clinton has endorsed Obama and urged her supporters to help defeat McCain.


Along with the group of fundraisers and Hillary backers was her brother.  This election cycle is going to get even more heated over the next few weeks.

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RE: It was bound to happen - 8/20/2008 2:59:13 PM   
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Not surprised, unfortunately.

Thing these folks miss---in any political race, most of the people lose. Just reality.

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RE: It was bound to happen - 8/20/2008 3:12:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		Lieberman has been given a Monday night speaking slot at the RNC in St. Paul.

Probably no surprise, to some.  Does this signal that he may still be in the running for the second seat on the ticket?

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