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Bethnai -> RE: Over 100 US College Presidents Open Debate on Lowering Drinking Age to 18 (8/20/2008 6:14:19 AM)
I also agree it does not matter what age one can legally drink, there are those that will do it anyway. The problem that I have with lowering the age to 18 is that these just got out of high school or may still be in, they may have friends that are still in or siblings that are one or two years behind. Availability becomes much wider. One problem is that they are getting it from someone and more often then not the adults are not going to be penalized. So, it is the minor or underage person that pays the price. Its like a mixed message that I am beginning to see repeated in several institutions: Take the fall, be responsible for your actions like an adult but your not really in control because your not an "adult." Kind of like Simon didn't say. I also question just how far these universities are willing to go to address it. There are those that drink that have some major issues that need to be addressed. Otherwise, lowering the drinking age is also a bandaid solution.

kittinSol -> RE: Over 100 US College Presidents Open Debate on Lowering Drinking Age to 18 (8/20/2008 6:48:11 AM)
The drinking age limit ought to go hand in hand with the driving licence age: if you're old enough to drive an engine as big and potentially lethal as a car responsibly, you should be able to handle having the occasional alcoholic drink legally. Otherwise, increase the driving age to eighteen, and lower the drinking age, like in other civilised countries. It's a platitude, but a little bit of education and demystification of alcohol should go a long way.

Bethnai -> RE: Over 100 US College Presidents Open Debate on Lowering Drinking Age to 18 (8/20/2008 7:33:30 AM)
But, it doesn't solve the problems.

slvemike4u -> RE: Over 100 US College Presidents Open Debate on Lowering Drinking Age to 18 (8/20/2008 7:53:04 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kittinSol The drinking age limit ought to go hand in hand with the driving licence age: if you're old enough to drive an engine as big and potentially lethal as a car responsibly, you should be able to handle having the occasional alcoholic drink legally. Otherwise, increase the driving age to eighteen, and lower the drinking age, like in other civilised countries. It's a platitude, but a little bit of education and demystification of alcohol should go a long way. Kittin the demystification of these two adult activities might very well go a long way,for those that survive the increased incidences of combining the two.But rest assured in a perverted darwinian process more families will bury those that don't survive....

slvemike4u -> RE: Over 100 US College Presidents Open Debate on Lowering Drinking Age to 18 (8/20/2008 8:04:56 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: hopelessfool My mom "in essence let me drink at a young age" she left a bottle out knowing me at 15 was going to giggle and take the bottle and get drunk... And ya know what I did, and you know what happened the next morning? She banged pots and pans, made really NASTY smelling food, and made it Totally and completely miserable for me. And Ive never gotten drunk again. Why? Because I never want a head ache from that again she got my mind to associate drinking to much with that PAIN.... Now was my mom good or bad yell about that all you want she was a great mother and helped me make Responsible decisions. YOU want drinking and driving to go down with your kids, take them to see a brain smattered car of an idiot who drank and drived (which actually most fatal drinking accidents accour with men ages 35 to 50 who have one to many beers and think they are okay). Take away the " Oh my god drinking is bad drinking is this drinking is that." Know the main difference between europe on drinking and amercia on it. America villianizes it, making it something "dangerous" and "evil" which makes kids want it more. Europe teaches moderation and responsiblity with it. They see their parent every night with ONE glass of wine at dinner, and they see their parents heathly and nothing wrong, but they also see their parents being responsable with that one drink and one drink only. Like someone above me said sticking your head in the sand doesnt work, whining about it doesnt work. If you were younger youd care about the drinking age and wouldnt be saying dont lower it dont lower it. Why because Its not going to affect you like it will someone in their eariler years. Im sure if they raised the drinking age to 50 youd be pitching a fit and bitching its too high. I think its too high, Not because of my age, but I as someone whos younger KNOW how people my age think generall think Im not supposed to do it Im going to do it because its "cool' its "dangerous" my parents told me not to. Instead of the very short very lack luster program in high school they show one day that isnt even mandatory. Make EVERY TEEN take classes on substance and alcohol abuse. Have the teacher Show a cirrosed liver or at least a lot of photos of it. Make them see the honest bad in what happens when you drink... and show someone who died who moderately drank and show him being okay. Why, what you need to teach is MODERATION. Not a drinking age, Not a dont do it. Everything in life is good in Moderation.... Your mom"in essence"broke the law and used a moronic parenting tool(my apologies).One does not let a toddler burn themselves to learn the stove is hot.Responsible parents often use life's lessons to teach their children,after one has fallen or stumbled it is appropriate and advantagous to discuss lessons learned,but responsible parents need not first "trip" their children by setting them up for these falls What your mom did left her open to a number of quite serious criminal charges starting with parental negligence all the way to downright abuse...Now you claim a lesson well learned,I am happy for you,but to trumpet this as an example of sucessful parenting is wrong.Throwing a scared child into a pool might teach the child how to swim(said child might drown too)it will also damage the child's trust in his parent,never a good idea. Discussion ,trust,open communication and firm boundarys are far more usefull tools than handing a child of 15 a bottle and awaiting the inevitible hangover for lesson time. p.s hopeless in actuallity when one gets older,and their children are approaching the age we are discussing,we happen to be much more engaged in this discussion than you are giving us credit for...I have allready survived my "young dumb and full of cum" age my priority is that my child survive's his...so please allow that those older than you still have a vested interest in this discussion,we call them our loved ones for a reason...

kittinSol -> RE: Over 100 US College Presidents Open Debate on Lowering Drinking Age to 18 (8/20/2008 8:07:54 AM)
It's cultural, Mike: it's hard for me to fathom that people can work, pay taxes, drive, marry, enrole and die in combat, and get thrown in jail... but that they're not legally able to have a glass of wine with supper... just because they're not the ubiquitous age of 21.

sambamanslilgirl -> RE: Over 100 US College Presidents Open Debate on Lowering Drinking Age to 18 (8/20/2008 8:08:07 AM)
what you think as an excellent idea is what i consider as a terrible idea. every spring (during prom/graduation time), there are more accidents resulting in death or fatal injuries by teen drivers (IL still considers 18 as teen) than any other age group. why? because of alcohol. i remember seeing one accident on the news which a car was literally wrapped around the tree. the teens inside were coming home from a party (alcohol was found) - all died. one family was found legally responsible for a teen death because a party hosted had alcohol served to underage teens. personally, i don't believe just because they're responsible enough to handle a motor vehicle that they're responsible not to drink and drive. most adults aren't responsible not to do that either. so tell me, as a mother to a teen who in 3 yrs will be off to college/university, what makes you think an 18yr old can handle a motor vehicle after a few (2 to 3) beers/drinks?

kittinSol -> RE: Over 100 US College Presidents Open Debate on Lowering Drinking Age to 18 (8/20/2008 8:13:45 AM)
Yes, but what makes you think a fifty year old can handle alcohol better than an eighteen year old? Experience doesn't equate responsibility (for example, I was far more together and wise in my late teens than in my mid-twenties: mileage does vary). The more I think of it, the more it makes sense to me that kids seek booze because it's seen as a forbidden pleasure.

slvemike4u -> RE: Over 100 US College Presidents Open Debate on Lowering Drinking Age to 18 (8/20/2008 8:14:14 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kittinSol It's cultural, Mike: it's hard for me to fathom that people can work, pay taxes, drive, marry, enrole and die in combat, and get thrown in jail... but that they're not legally able to have a glass of wine with supper... just because they're not the ubiquitous age of 21. Well lets be honest kittin ,it is not the glass of wine with dinner most of us are worried about.And to tell you the truth I m not so enamored with their ability to go off and die in combat either,I fully recognise the hypocracy of this but the facts remain too many of our children die in alchohol related accidents...any move to make that somehow simpler to acieve strikes me as assinine....This will never happen there is a little org.called M.A.D.D. that will be all over this and they are quite effective in getting their message out.

pahunkboy -> RE: Over 100 US College Presidents Open Debate on Lowering Drinking Age to 18 (8/20/2008 8:17:15 AM)
gosh- since when did young folks matter? like why spend any time on any issue per them. they are not the least bit interested in ..............argh never mind. i dont care what they do on it. I note the MADD group scolding the forces on this.... next thing you know they will want to gamble too! [glunk] Note that when WI had a lower drinking age- MANY accidents happened on i294 back into Chicago. Kids would go up to drink alot legally then enter back into IL wasted. I dont see how this will solve binge drinking. as long as our society worships glits over substnace- then i doubt it improves...

youngstownsubm -> RE: Over 100 US College Presidents Open Debate on Lowering Drinking Age to 18 (8/20/2008 8:22:44 AM)
Drinking and driving is harmful to others, yes, but no one's suggesting changing DUI laws. It's illegal to drive drunk for someone who's 50, and it's no different for people who are 18. If you're willing to drive drunk, which is against the law, then why would the legal drinking age matter to you? We live in a nanny state intent on making as many dumb laws as possible. The government has no right to tell anyone what they can or can't do with their body. Until you're 18 you're your parents' responsibility; if they want to let their 16-year-old kid have a glass of wine, fine. With that being said, I'm 23 so I don't really give a fuck.

FatDomDaddy -> RE: Over 100 US College Presidents Open Debate on Lowering Drinking Age to 18 (8/20/2008 8:23:01 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u Hom many ums do you have FDD,any parent's worst nightmare begins and ends at the intersection of drinking and driving.Society has no justifiable reason to move those two actions closer for the young.Certainly not,if anything move it back a year or two,there is somthing to be said for living to see your 25th birthday One starting college this year. 18 years olds can serve on jurys, serve beer, wine and in many states liquor as waiters and waitress, They can marry too... but you would deny them a beer at the end of the day because you ASSUME they will drink 10 and drive, I'd rather have my um have access to beer and wine ON campus where they coud walk home. Dittio for service men and women on base. The reason Drunk driving states are down is better policing, better education and tougher criminal penalities. Those are the proper ways to stop drunk driving, no punish a hard working 18-20 year old that wants a beer or two on the weekend.

slvemike4u -> RE: Over 100 US College Presidents Open Debate on Lowering Drinking Age to 18 (8/20/2008 8:23:54 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kittinSol Yes, but what makes you think a fifty year old can handle alcohol better than an eighteen year old? Experience doesn't equate responsibility (for example, I was far more together and wise in my late teens than in my mid-twenties: mileage does vary). The more I think of it, the more it makes sense to me that kids seek booze because it's seen as a forbidden pleasure. Kittin legal illegal doesn't matter,kids will drink because its the adult thing to do .But as it stands now a teenage driver pulled over for driving under the influence faces much more stringent penalties because the drinking was illegal ,and it matters not what the blood level content is,said kid is losing his licence and be enrolled in some sort of alcohol deversion program.Lowering the legal age removes that arrow from the quiver.You would have to treat the teen driver who drinks the same as the 50 y/o who had wine with his dinner,but is not quite ovr the limit.Imagine for a minute a cop pulling over a car full of 18 y./o,he smells alcohol....but the kid blows a legal number.Would you give that officer no oter recourse but to let that child and his car full of other children drive merrily away,perhaps to their tragic deaths?

FatDomDaddy -> RE: Over 100 US College Presidents Open Debate on Lowering Drinking Age to 18 (8/20/2008 8:27:14 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: pahunkboy I note the MADD group scolding the forces on this.... MADD has become a temprence union who's real agenda is a return to proibition

slvemike4u -> RE: Over 100 US College Presidents Open Debate on Lowering Drinking Age to 18 (8/20/2008 8:28:18 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FatDomDaddy quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u Hom many ums do you have FDD,any parent's worst nightmare begins and ends at the intersection of drinking and driving.Society has no justifiable reason to move those two actions closer for the young.Certainly not,if anything move it back a year or two,there is somthing to be said for living to see your 25th birthday One starting college this year. 18 years olds can serve on jurys, serve beer, wine and in many states liquor as waiters and waitress, They can marry too... but you would deny them a beer at the end of the day because you ASSUME they will drink 10 and drive, I'd rather have my um have access to beer and wine ON campus where they coud walk home. Dittio for service men and women on base. The reason Drunk driving states are down is better policing, better education and tougher criminal penalities. Those are the proper ways to stop drunk driving, no punish a hard working 18-20 year old that wants a beer or two on the weekend. FDD see my previous post as it relates to teen driving and drinking.We disagree on whether requiring an um to wait till he is 21 for a legal beer qualifies as punishment.Lets not kid ourselves in most case the access is there,they are doing it anyway...I see no reason to put a legal stamp of approval on it....hard working or not...

slvemike4u -> RE: Over 100 US College Presidents Open Debate on Lowering Drinking Age to 18 (8/20/2008 8:30:00 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FatDomDaddy quote: ORIGINAL: pahunkboy I note the MADD group scolding the forces on this.... MADD has become a temprence union who's real agenda is a return to proibition No FDD MADD is, as the name implies, fighting against drunk driving a cause I think we all can agree is noble and justified....

youngstownsubm -> RE: Over 100 US College Presidents Open Debate on Lowering Drinking Age to 18 (8/20/2008 8:30:18 AM)
A little perspective: 13,470 people total, not just kids, died from drunk driving in 2006. There are 300 million people in this country and 25% of them are under 18. Drunk driving is not exactly an epidemic.

slvemike4u -> RE: Over 100 US College Presidents Open Debate on Lowering Drinking Age to 18 (8/20/2008 8:32:04 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: youngstownsubm Drinking and driving is harmful to others, yes, but no one's suggesting changing DUI laws. It's illegal to drive drunk for someone who's 50, and it's no different for people who are 18. If you're willing to drive drunk, which is against the law, then why would the legal drinking age matter to you? We live in a nanny state intent on making as many dumb laws as possible. The government has no right to tell anyone what they can or can't do with their body. Until you're 18 you're your parents' responsibility; if they want to let their 16-year-old kid have a glass of wine, fine. With that being said, I'm 23 so I don't really give a fuck. Hopefully by the time you are old enough to have a 16 y/o your quite juvenile opinion will have been tempered by experience

youngstownsubm -> RE: Over 100 US College Presidents Open Debate on Lowering Drinking Age to 18 (8/20/2008 8:35:17 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u Imagine for a minute a cop pulling over a car full of 18 y./o,he smells alcohol....but the kid blows a legal number.Would you give that officer no oter recourse but to let that child and his car full of other children drive merrily away,perhaps to their tragic deaths? Why stop at kids? Why should anyone be allowed to drive if they might potentially be a risk? I say we just let the cops arrest whomever they feel might potentially do something harmful.

FatDomDaddy -> RE: Over 100 US College Presidents Open Debate on Lowering Drinking Age to 18 (8/20/2008 8:36:42 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u FDD see my previous post as it relates to teen driving and drinking.We disagree on whether requiring an um to wait till he is 21 for a legal beer qualifies as punishment.Lets not kid ourselves in most case the access is there,they are doing it anyway...I see no reason to put a legal stamp of approval on it....hard working or not... So in essence your saying you would rather have otherwise legal adults break the rule of law instead of drinking beer legally??? Is that about it?

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