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RE: Over 100 US College Presidents Open Debate on Lower... - 8/20/2008 8:36:58 AM

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Hopefully by the time you are old enough to have a 16 y/o your quite juvenile opinion will have been tempered by experience

I certainly hope I'm not cowardly enough to ask the government to raise him for me.

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RE: Over 100 US College Presidents Open Debate on Lower... - 8/20/2008 8:39:40 AM

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Hopefully by the time you are old enough to have a 16 y/o your quite juvenile opinion will have been tempered by experience

I certainly hope I'm not cowardly enough to ask the government to raise him for me.

I will forward this comment to my son at NYU ,and solicit his opinion on my cowardice .Does that work for you....

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RE: Over 100 US College Presidents Open Debate on Lower... - 8/20/2008 8:42:38 AM

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In the end, let's face it: in our society many of us need to get fucked up just so that we can cope, whether it's with booze, blow, pills or smoke. Psychothropic drugs prescriptions are handied out like candies to all segments of society, increasingly to little kids (Ritalin, anyone?), so it's hard to see why we should expect young people not to partake in this joyous drugfest with whatever they can get their hands on. It's about time we faced up to this and decriminalised booze drinking for the young. Besides... wine is good for you: look at France and Italy. Come to think of it, it should be on the menu at university cafetarias.

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RE: Over 100 US College Presidents Open Debate on Lower... - 8/20/2008 8:45:03 AM

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Please Kittin say it aint so....just think what sort of rat gut wine the little ones will choose to drink....I can see it now Boones Farm stock goes thru the roof...aggggrrrrr

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RE: Over 100 US College Presidents Open Debate on Lower... - 8/20/2008 9:02:50 AM

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never alluded that a 50yr old (in your example) could handle alcohol better than an 18yr old.some know when to stop drinking. while others i've seen are worse than teens but i still wouldn't trust either with a six-pack and the keys to a car.

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RE: Over 100 US College Presidents Open Debate on Lower... - 8/20/2008 9:41:12 AM

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Ah, Mike, we'll never agree on this, I'm afraid... nevermind, we can't agree on everything :-) .

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RE: Over 100 US College Presidents Open Debate on Lower... - 8/20/2008 9:47:27 AM

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In the end, let's face it: in our society many of us need to get fucked up just so that we can cope, whether it's with booze, blow, pills or smoke. Psychothropic drugs prescriptions are handied out like candies to all segments of society, increasingly to little kids (Ritalin, anyone?), so it's hard to see why we should expect young people not to partake in this joyous drugfest with whatever they can get their hands on. It's about time we faced up to this and decriminalised booze drinking for the young. Besides... wine is good for you: look at France and Italy. Come to think of it, it should be on the menu at university cafetarias.

it seems a way to push the topic -the responsability away from the college party thing.

BTW- psychotrophics other then ritylin can be toxic - like effexxor. if one isnt used to it. I for one am glad that psychotrophics are rxed for me. Im on a few- and yes- they help =they help alot.

people will always do what they "cant"... personally I think MADD has become too vocal. Cos now a vehicle stop can cost one thousands of $. I know many with DUIs-- tho I never had one as I seldom drink- or put it this way, I dont drive when I cant. As a kid - yeah- somewhat. But either way.... you cant stop kids from making their own mistakes....I had to. you had too,,,,, and they .... have to.

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RE: Over 100 US College Presidents Open Debate on Lower... - 8/20/2008 10:15:58 AM

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Ah, Mike, we'll never agree on this, I'm afraid... nevermind, we can't agree on everything :-) .

Does this mean our budding romance is over ,before i ever had a chance to bloom?...I am crushed and will never love another!!!!

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RE: Over 100 US College Presidents Open Debate on Lower... - 8/20/2008 10:57:39 AM

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Being a vet as well as my husband being military I must say that the military drink no matter what, in port, and after 45 days of being out to sea consecutivly they get a steel beach picknic, and they all get to drink beer, no matter the age. But to say that 18 in the military is more mature than 18 civilian is a load of shit. Sure we have seen more action and done more than a normal person will ever get to do but that doesnt make us more mature. In combat you have a more level head, or in intense situations such as mass casualties, fires, and chemical attacks; but thats just from training. We know how to deal with that, but an 18 year old drunk in the military is going to act like an 18 year old drunk in the civilian world.

I think Canada has the drinking age right though. 19 is good. Out of high school and old enough to vote, join the military, and all that other nonsense. I think that 18 is too young because most kids are still in high school at that age and do not need to be drinking. Just my opinion though.

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RE: Over 100 US College Presidents Open Debate on Lower... - 8/20/2008 11:37:15 AM

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There was a fellow named Peter McWilliams that wrote a book titled "Ain't nobodies Business If You Do" in the mid 90's. He covered many different aspects and angles of the same dynamic - the absurdity of a "consentual crime." It is available online for free through his website. A google search would turn it up.

A powerful book that dealt with consentual sex, homosexuality, drug use, the ridiculous religious right, the insanity of trying to "legislate morality."

I recommend it highly.

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RE: Over 100 US College Presidents Open Debate on Lower... - 8/20/2008 11:43:22 AM

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And when you are Mr. McWilliams can show how underage drinking only affects those involved and not at times innocents driving the nation's roads I will pay attention.

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RE: Over 100 US College Presidents Open Debate on Lower... - 8/20/2008 11:45:51 AM

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Yeah, cuz we know only those age 18-20 drive drunk..........

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RE: Over 100 US College Presidents Open Debate on Lower... - 8/20/2008 12:08:46 PM

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This really isn't a complicated issue,despite European experiences with low drinking age,statistics from American experiences are what matter.And too many teenagers die as a result of auto-related causes,with alcohol a contributing factor in too many of those accidents.Any legislation that would facilitate that would be a mistake

So give our 18 year olds a beer and a bus pass--don't buy them a car, pay for their car insurance -- if they buy their own car and pay their own insurance, they're liable to be a lot more responsible about what they do with that vehicle and whether or not they do things that will increase their insurance premiums...

If a youngster can offer up hir life in the service of hir country at 18, xhe should be allowed to have a bloody drink. I have always disagreed with the increase of the drinking age and other laws written out of someone else's desire for "government protectionism".

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RE: Over 100 US College Presidents Open Debate on Lower... - 8/20/2008 2:44:29 PM

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Yeah, cuz we know only those age 18-20 drive drunk..........

No LaTigresse we don't know that,what we do know is some of those 18 to 21 y/o are drinking and driving now.We know this from the statistics of highway deaths from alcohol related incidents, the fact that some of legal age also drive drunk does not compel me to view this differently.Our roads are dangerous enough I see no reason to make them more so...

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RE: Over 100 US College Presidents Open Debate on Lower... - 8/20/2008 3:46:39 PM

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A lot of valid points, but many of them on something other than the issue of binge drinking on campus.

With the advent of rotating #1 party schools, learning to drink in college blew away in the hurricane of getting MTVSpringBreak/GirlsGoneWild smashed every night of the week.

I'm not convinced that the lowering of the drinking age will have the hoped for effect, but you can bet that if university presidents as a group are trying to rearrange the chairs on the promenade deck, it is long past time to be wearing a life jacket.

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RE: Over 100 US College Presidents Open Debate on Lower... - 8/20/2008 4:17:07 PM

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Our roads are dangerous enough I see no reason to make them more so...

The fact is our roads are much safer now but not because the drinking age is 21. Like I said earlier in the thread its better policing, better education and stricter sentencing. This is where the focus should be. I am all for tougher sentences on teen aged drivers who abuse the privilege by driving impaired.

But if road safety is your goal, why are there not police in cruisers outside bars and restaurants at peak hours catching these drivers BEFORE they get onto the highway?

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RE: Over 100 US College Presidents Open Debate on Lower... - 8/20/2008 4:25:41 PM

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Hom many ums do you have FDD,any parent's worst nightmare begins and ends at the intersection of drinking and driving.Society has no justifiable reason to move those two actions closer for the young.Certainly not,if anything move it back a year or two,there is somthing to be said for living to see your 25th birthday

Absolutely right! Better to have them killed in Iraq. Far more patriotic.

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RE: Over 100 US College Presidents Open Debate on Lower... - 8/20/2008 4:53:06 PM

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"Society should not be in the business of condoning it."

Nor should society be in the business of banning it. This should be a matter for these 18 year-old ADULTS to decide for themselves. I have found it completely ridiculous since I was that age that the law considers those 18-21 year olds to be adults in every aspect except for choosing for themselves whether to drink. This is just a carryover of the puritanical culture that spawned Prohibition. This country has always had an infantile outlook regarding drinking.

I can understand parents wanting to protect their children. Fine. Do so by being a parent and not expecting government to legislate your problems away.

How stupid is it to say that a person is mature enough to make life or death decisions on a battlefield, mature enough to use their vote to make decisions regarding the future of the country, but too immature to make decisions about their personal habits.

If you want to consider them children in regard to drinking then consider them children in all areas. Of course that will never happen because we would lose a valuable source of cannon fodder for the next senseless war that inevitably we will be involved in.

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RE: Over 100 US College Presidents Open Debate on Lower... - 8/20/2008 7:47:29 PM

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But to be honest rule, it is also a the perfect storm of grieving mothers and new revenue sources that politicians ate up. The money made by the state off a drunk driving arrest, even with no accident is massive. The State makes $1000's in fines and probation fees. And that is not counting the lawyer fees and alcohol consoling both of which make big money for the providers. Most of the alcohol consoling services provide services via madatory judical orders. Those providers bid, with the State or local officials to provide and thus, government makes money there too.

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