shy submissve (Full Version)

All Forums >> [Community Discussions] >> Ask a Master



Message


mastermark666 -> shy submissve (8/20/2008 6:04:20 AM)

hi... i would like to as other masters how to get my submissive wife to open up to what she likes or dislikes, we have a great dom/submissive relashanship but when i question her on what she likes she says nothing, ild like her to open up to what she would like me to do to her in differant ways and explore what she wants  and how far i can go, any suggestions?...... Also she loves the butt plugg training that we do but is having a hard time with it is there any way of making it easier for her, ive tryed the smallist plugg i can buy Many thanks MasterMark666




DarkSteven -> RE: shy submissve (8/20/2008 6:47:14 AM)

You're the Master.  Do what you like and see if she likes it.  Just go slow so you can gauge her reactions. 

Lube.  Use lube and don't just cram the plug in.  Push slowly and steadily and let it go in gradually.

Hook up with a local group.  Go to demos and see what you'd like to do.




NeedingMore220 -> RE: shy submissve (8/20/2008 6:51:32 AM)

There are BDSM checklists you can google - have her fill one of those out, showing her likes and dislikes, and then sit down over a glass of wine and discuss it.  You could also peruse some BDSM websites together or send her some pics you like and ask for her comments on them. 

As for the plug, yes, lube and no forcing it because you could hurt her.  What exactly is she having trouble with - the insertion?  Going about her day with it in?  Taking it out? 




mastermark666 -> RE: shy submissve (8/20/2008 6:58:24 AM)

she just finds it uncomfortabe and feels as if she needs to use the bathroom all the time,, ill try the bdsm checklist with her tonight Thanks.




Mercnbeth -> RE: shy submissive (8/20/2008 7:07:16 AM)

Well, you're going to get 100's of people to say talk to her. Sure! But how? The difficulty in communicating isn't the communicating its generating communicating; especially with a person who is embarrassed or shy about what they need to communicate. It can be personally embarrassing to talk about something desired that your upbringing has taught you is 'sinful', 'taboo', or wrong. There are many ways to break through this barrier, you'll have to find one that works for her, and you.

I'd suggest exposing her to as many versions of WIITWD as you can. A munch, demonstrations, clubs are the most obvious; but many people don't have access to those things and if they do, aren't interested in being 'public'. There is also 'porn'. Go to an adult book store together, rent movies; encourage her to pick them. Start with something as mundane as 'The Secretary' or '9 1/2 Weeks' to keep it tame. Just make sure you point out that the neurotic aspect of those films isn't a requirement to participate.

But of course you already have assess to the easiest way to test the waters, the internet. She should be on this site. Lurking the threads, perusing the profiles, will show her that the things you desire are more common and practices more frequently than she realizes. Remember, you aren't looking for examples of how to live, you are using all possible tools to facilitate discussion. You have to be attuned and reactive to her 'tells' indicating that she's ready to communicate. An "Ewwwww YUCK!" is an open door for discussion, as is a subtle biting of the bottom lip. It works. beth and I came into our relationship as polar opposites of experience. As much as she trusted me I wanted to be sure that I wasn't her only resource. CM and other sites like it, became portals to perspectives other than mine. The examples provided produced discussion, and generated questions from her and let her know she wasn't unique or, as she'd been told "weird" and "in need of counseling"; as she'd been told in prior relationships.

I've always found that lying naked, 'spooning', with some candlelight and soft music, in a dark bedroom; facilitates discussion. A gentle stroking of the body, whispered encouragement, work well. Remember, you too have to be open and 'naked'. Tell her about your desires, your goals, and most important; how they will be fulfilled with her. You can't push or pull her into any 'lifestyle'; you can only let her know it is there and walk beside her down the path.

Good luck!




mastermark666 -> RE: shy submissive (8/20/2008 7:13:25 AM)

that is a great post, munches are out of the question because she is a teacher and scared to get noticed, and yes she has a thing about how she feels, feels not normal as we all do at one stage or another esp me knowing i was dominant at the age of 5 and going though life feeling not normal i will try the naked candle light thing tonight, many thanks MasterMark666




Dnomyar -> RE: shy submissive (8/20/2008 10:42:52 AM)

Patience.




camille65 -> RE: shy submissve (8/20/2008 12:04:34 PM)

One of the ways he got me to open up about things was to have me write stories. They were not stories written for him but instead stories I wrote for myself. I found it involved less self-censoring that way. I also wrote in the third person so I could have a layer of separation between me and the main characters.

He understood that not everything I wrote was something I wanted to try, but that it was at the very least something I wanted to think or fantasize about. I kept an online journal that he read, whenever the urge struck I would write a story. They were all acted upon one way or another, he is adept at taking cues from me. That part I can't help you with though, sorry. But maybe just having her formulate the thoughts where you can access them may help her?

Greatest of luck to you both in this adventure of the mind.

On the plug, I suggest lengthy play before insertion and removal after a fairly short time. Then slowly build duration (not necessarily size unless it feels good to her). It really helps me if I'm at that insanely aroused stage, I swear he could do just about anything to me in those moments. [:)]




CelticPrince -> RE: shy submissve (8/20/2008 12:05:50 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: mastermark666

hi... i would like to as other masters how to get my submissive wife to open up to what she likes or dislikes, we have a great dom/submissive relashanship but when i question her on what she likes she says nothing, ild like her to open up to what she would like me to do to her in differant ways and explore what she wants  and how far i can go, any suggestions?...... Also she loves the butt plugg training that we do but is having a hard time with it is there any way of making it easier for her, ive tryed the smallist plugg i can buy Many thanks MasterMark666


mark,

It appears that in the deep recesses of her mind, she wants you to take the lead, as she gets more comfortable she will start talking about what she likes, keep a tuned ear as it may happen slowly.

CP




kiwisub12 -> RE: shy submissive (8/20/2008 3:03:48 PM)

I love the idea of spooning naked with candles and lights off. If she is shy, it is a lot easier to talk about sex and desires when you aren't looking at the  person you are talking to.

At some point she needs to realise that she has to talk to you if she is going to get what she wants. It is scary to be that open, but the rewards are fantastic!!!!  And it needs to be mutually satisfying for it to work.




AnnaOfAramis -> RE: shy submissive (8/21/2008 6:55:43 AM)

Have you asked her to write a journal for you? Many subs have to write their thoughts into a daily journal for their Masters. This is useful for shy people because sometimes it is easier to express things in writing than directly to the person. It is important though that she can write whatever she feels without fear of repercussions.

She may also be reluctant to tell you what she wants because part of the fulfillment in being a sub comes from the fact that we don't want to tell you what we want! Subs want to be taken and to please the man they are with. Yes they have things they like, but they want them done to them because YOU want to not because they ask you to... so she may not want to tell you because it kind of feels like defeating the purpose. Getting her really horny and then trying to talk to her or getting her to write might help. As someone else posted, revealing things about yourself might help her feel more comfortable.

As to the plug, getting her turned on first (maybe with something like a hitachi wand) can help relax muscles and make them more receptive; insert slowly and steadily; and start with only the amount of time she can easily do comfortably- whether that is 5 minutes or an hour or three hours. The important thing is to stop while it is still easy, and to praise her for what she's managed to do. This will help her continue to stay positive about it. Very gradually increase the duration each day.

Hope some of these suggestions help,

anna




mastermark666 -> RE: shy submissive (8/21/2008 7:57:56 AM)

many thsnks for the advice i shall be using them all i think!! thanks anna Camilll65 for the advice have a great day MasterMark666




NeedingMore220 -> RE: shy submissve (8/21/2008 8:57:24 AM)

quote:

One of the ways he got me to open up about things was to have me write stories.


Writing is a great way to get her to open up.  She could start a blog just for the two of you (we use blogger.com) to read and share in.  She could write fantasies, desires, likes and dislikes.  You can respond with your own.  Perhaps you could even task her with something like sending her a BDSM pic and having her write what she likes and doesn't like about it.  Perhaps if she sees more about WIITWD she will start to feel less weird about it and be more accepting of herself and her desires.

quote:

she just finds it uncomfortabe and feels as if she needs to use the bathroom all the time,,


I can understand that.  I'd be sure that the plug you're using isn't too large and that she only uses it for fairly short periods of time.  If she's squicked out in any way about anal sex, the mental hangups may get in the way and she may focus on using the bathroom rather than sexuality.  There are tons of threads you can do a search on for assistance with anal training.

Best of luck to you both - you seem to be on the right track, understanding and looking out for both of your well-being.  [:)]




mstrj69 -> RE: shy submissve (8/21/2008 6:26:29 PM)

  If all else fails and you have gotten some good ideas, remind her that you have the right to punish her when she does something wrong.  Also you would like to do something for her when she is extra good and you want her ideas as to what she feels would be a good reward and maybe a punishment she would not like.  She might open up more if she looked at it as a teacher would, what is the best way to get a student to learn.  Students and children need either positive or negative reinforcement.  If you do not know what is negative or what is positive for her, how can you help her learn?




angelikaJ -> RE: shy submissve (8/21/2008 6:36:19 PM)

also re: anal play, Anal Pleasure and Health by Jack Morin is a very good book on the subject with a 'program' to gain awareness and comfortability.




TreasureKY -> RE: shy submissve (8/21/2008 7:12:18 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: mastermark666

... ild like her to open up to what she would like me to do to her in differant ways and explore what she wants  and how far i can go, any suggestions?


I'm not a master, but I am a woman.  [;)]

Over a  year and a half ago, under my old profile, I posted the following...

quote:

ORIGINAL: losttreasure

I've almost always appreciated being given direction.  Wanting to please is very much a part of my makeup and I'm very receptive to instructions if they're delivered with a little care.  But it's also been hard for me to learn to speak up about what I'd like.  A good part of the reason has to do with not wanting to feel like I'm controlling, but there's also a worry that my comments might be taken as criticism.  (Men have such fragile egos, don't you know.  ) But in general, there's a very large part that fears exposure and rejection. 

I don't believe I'm too unusual in these respects, so my "holiday gift" to dominants would be to offer the following suggestions when plumbing the depths of your pet's sexual/kinky secrets... be it to pleasure her/him, or yourself. 

(Not to discount any relationship configuration, but I'll be referring to the dominant role as male and the submissive as female from here on out... it's what I'm familiar with.)

1)  Go slowly.  No matter what your level of activity is, take things slowly.  Explore and take time to really learn each others responses... but more important, take time to enjoy where you are at now and at each level before you race off to the next thrill.  Oh, and  don't forget to revisit those levels you've surpassed... just because your sub can now tolerate a stiff beating, it doesn't mean that she can't still enjoy an erotic and "gentle" spanking.

2)  Ask questions.  You don't need to make her feel like she's being interrogated (unless she likes that ), but never assume anything.  Talk to her before, during and after.  Make every effort to really listen to her answers... not only what she says, but how she says it.  Ask her about what she knows and understands about the male body.  Ask what she feels...is she comfortable... is it too rough/not rough enough... what is she thinking... what is she expecting.  Find out everything you can... knowledge is power.

3)  Don't judge.  It may be a soul wrenching confession for her to tell you that she wants x, y, or z.  Treat her openness with respect and care, and you'll only encourage her to become even more transparent to you.

4)  Reassure.  If she's submitted or admitted to something that she's either not sure about or might be embarrassed about (you know this because you've asked - see #2 above), make sure she knows that you are pleased and that she will not be rejected.  Even if it's not perfect, reassure her that her efforts alone have pleased you.

5)  Empathize.  Put yourself in her position... not literally, but consider how things are from her viewpoint and use that information.  If you're wanting the world's best blowjob, expecting her to accomplish that while dealing with the distraction of an uncomfortable position might be asking too much.  Again, it's more information and that is more power. 

6)  Teach.  No one knows your body better than you do.  Share with her what she needs to know (you know what she's lacking because you've asked questions - see #2 above).  Tell her where to touch, and how, and when... and what to expect.  Have a "dom exploration day" where she can learn what pleases you from the top of your head to the toes of your feet.  Once more, knowledge is power and you're giving your sub the power to please you. ("Commanding" a reciprocal "sub exploration day" would be an easy follow-up... after all, you've set the example for what you want to know about her.)

7)  Control intensity.  If you are truly looking to pleasure your submissive, here's where you really need all that information you've gathered (see #2 above) and more.  While a submissive might enjoy a particular activity, it doesn't mean they'll enjoy that same activity at a higher intensity.  There's a huge difference between enjoying something and tolerating it.  Keep asking (see #2 above).

8)  Positively reinforce.  Praise goes a long way toward encouraging the behavior and activities that you want.  If she's pleased you, let her know.  If she does something that knocks your socks off, make damn sure she knows about it.   You'll be glad you did.  

9)  Correct gently.  This is a broad generalization and may not apply to all subs, but submissives have a tendency to be very sensitive... especially when it comes to pleasing their dominant.  Use criticism (even the so-called constructive type) sparingly and avoid it if at all possible.  You've many other tools (see #1 through #8 above) that you can use before resorting to the potential damage that a poorly worded or timed criticism can do.

10)  Timing is everything.  Unfortunately, it's also the one thing that I can't give you a specific answer on.  So much depends upon the activity and what needs to be said.  All I can tell you is that you should never allow an issue to go unresolved for any great period of time... especially if it concerns an activity that has been performed repeatedly.  I promise you that nothing will crush your submissive's spirit faster than to sit her down, after several months and countless blowjobs, to give her instruction on how to please you orally.  All she's going to do is spend the entire time reeling with thoughts that you've "put up" with her inferior performance for all this time, speculating about the dissatisfaction you've felt with her, and wondering what other failings of hers are you simply tolerating.  Not a good thing.


Hopefully this will help. 




Lynnxz -> RE: shy submissve (8/21/2008 7:24:19 PM)

C and I are horrible at opening up to eachother... but we've found Jagerbombs take off the edge fairly quickly. I'm not advocating that you go about stringing her up while drunk, but it's a great way to lose some inhibitions at first.




antipode -> RE: shy submissve (8/22/2008 12:04:49 PM)

As far as the butt plug is concerned, of course it feels uncomfortable, it is supposed to be. This is BDSM, after all.




Page: [1]

Valid CSS!




Collarchat.com © 2025
Terms of Service Privacy Policy Spam Policy
0.046875