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subbysubsubsub -> Puppy play (8/22/2008 12:17:47 AM)
Hey all, Thanks for the great responses on my previous puppy play related question found here: http://www.collarchat.com/m_2076530/tm.htm Things are going great and we've settled on frosted corn flakes mixed with vienna sausages, chocolate pudding (for color), and oscar mayer bologna pieces (because they're my faaaaaaaaav)!!! Anyway, I want to really get into it and I've tried mimicking some puppy behavior, but I'm having trouble scratching my head with my hind legs (feet) and still staying balanced. Should I just grow out my toe nails to try to remedy this problem?

Paulnz -> RE: Puppy play (8/22/2008 12:25:52 AM)
I don't know about toenails, but just remember dominance in the pack is established by biting the ear of the submissive.

subbysubsubsub -> RE: Puppy play (8/22/2008 12:30:33 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Paulnz I don't know about toenails, but just remember dominance in the pack is established by biting the ear of the submissive. It's just the two of us so I don't know if that constitutes as a pack but thanks for the info! Although, we have had a 'compeition,' for lack of a better word, to see who can pee the highest on our fence post. He won.

pinnipedster -> RE: Puppy play (8/22/2008 12:44:59 AM)
I'm curious about how common puppy play is, particularly in FemDom situations. I would really like to give it a fairly serious, thorough try, but it seems like a thing where it's difficult to find a partner with that specific interest. I'd love to find a local lady who would keep me as a dog for an evening, a day, perhaps an occasional weekend, even if we weren't otherwise involved for whatever reason. How does one go about finding that kind of a thing? It baffles me sometimes. Ah well.

Paulnz -> RE: Puppy play (8/22/2008 1:54:58 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: subbysubsubsub quote: ORIGINAL: Paulnz I don't know about toenails, but just remember dominance in the pack is established by biting the ear of the submissive. It's just the two of us so I don't know if that constitutes as a pack but thanks for the info! Although, we have had a 'compeition,' for lack of a better word, to see who can pee the highest on our fence post. He won. Bitches don't use posts, tyres etc., to pee against. They squat. And yes, two dogs will establish dominance by ear biting. The pressure is not hard, but firm, just enough to let out a welp. The dominant dog is then established ( always a dog over a bitch ). It's important for this to happen as they'll fight all the time at feeding time etc. if they don't get a pecking order. Incidentally, puppy poop is eaten by the bitch, but I don't know how far you want to go with it.

MaamJay -> RE: Puppy play (8/22/2008 1:56:45 AM)
I've thoroughly enjoyed a long session of puppy play with a sub. Feeding, playing, going for walkies outside on a leash, peeing in the garden etc ... was wonderful when I lived on 5 bushy acres! I wouldn't want a permanent pup as then he wouldn't be able to do the dishes for Me (though maybe he could dig the garden!) ... but for a playtime it's huge fun! The only time it didn't work was when, for circumstances beyond control, I had to use a substitute sub ... who knew nothing about dogs!! Tricky! Maam Jay aka violet[A]

chamberqueen -> RE: Puppy play (8/22/2008 6:59:25 AM)
I used to love doing puppy play because it always made me laugh. It was great for training a new sub because the commands were so simple: sit, beg, roll over. I would have them heel and spank them with the leash if they were not doing well. Having them "wag their tail" was always fun for me. (Hey, even Dommes need a good laugh sometimes.) The play can be silly or serious; you can rub their bellies or allow them to jump up on the bed with you, or sternly tell them to go to a corner and make them whine for attention. (It was the only time during sessions that I ever allowed whining.) For the men, it was amazing how it seemed to break down emotional barriers and let them get in touch with themselves. They were in a position of true humility, knowing that they had to please the Mistress for any reward - even attention, and paid absolute attention to every single command. There was no sliding of the mind off to business problems or other vanilla worries. I don't think I've ever seen pure joy on a sub's face in any other situation than when being rewarded for good behavior. I agree with the biting of the ear, but an alpha male dog will also physically place himself over the other and may even hump them a little to show that the underdog has less power. I had a family member whose dog was getting out of control, and he actually crouched over the dog on all fours and bit his ear to remind the dog who was in charge. I've never seen a dog cower so fast and get back in line.

Misstoyou -> RE: Puppy play (8/22/2008 11:11:14 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: pinnipedster I'm curious about how common puppy play is, particularly in FemDom situations. I would really like to give it a fairly serious, thorough try, but it seems like a thing where it's difficult to find a partner with that specific interest... I've owned a submissive puppy for over two years. He had no idea he was a puppy, but he exuded tail-wagging, playful, puppy-wanting-to-please energy from the first time I met him. [:)] Still, when one talks about difficulty finding a partner with that specific interest, he's definitely not a one-trick puppy. Puppy play is not our only dynamic. And not directed to you personally, but I really think submissive men make it harder for themselves when they look for the "thing" (whatever fetish or interest that may be) rather than the person.

pinnipedster -> RE: Puppy play (8/22/2008 12:03:31 PM)
Oh, puppy play is definitely far from my only interest. If I were ever in a full-on BDSM relationship, I would not want it to be more than an occasional spice, and for that matter, I'd be perfectly willing to forego it altogether if I were compatible with the lady in other ways. (In terms of kink interests, a fondness for bondage and an acceptance of my cross-dressing in some form would be the really critical ones; but as you say, in the relationship as a whole, the over-all person is the real important thing.) On the other hand, I could imagine participating in some puppy play with someone with whom I was not necessarily suitable in other contexts -- someone who didn't want me as a full-time sub or boyfriend, or whose major kinks and mine didn't overlap to the point where we really worked well together, but who enjoyed having a loyal dog around every now and then. :)

pinnipedster -> RE: Puppy play (8/22/2008 12:06:43 PM)
quote: And yes, two dogs will establish dominance by ear biting. The pressure is not hard, but firm, just enough to let out a welp. The dominant dog is then established ( always a dog over a bitch ). It's important for this to happen as they'll fight all the time at feeding time etc. if they don't get a pecking order. Hmm? Are you saying that male dogs are always dominant over females? I'm pretty sure this is not true; I believe that in mixed group of dogs, it's not at all uncommon for a female to be the boss. (It's also interesting to note that size doesn't enter into it -- my sister-in-law had four or five dogs at one time, including a couple of big ones, but it was the little scottie terrier who bossed all the others around...)

Paulnz -> RE: Puppy play (8/22/2008 8:53:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: pinnipedster quote: And yes, two dogs will establish dominance by ear biting. The pressure is not hard, but firm, just enough to let out a welp. The dominant dog is then established ( always a dog over a bitch ). It's important for this to happen as they'll fight all the time at feeding time etc. if they don't get a pecking order. Hmm? Are you saying that male dogs are always dominant over females? I'm pretty sure this is not true; I believe that in mixed group of dogs, it's not at all uncommon for a female to be the boss. (It's also interesting to note that size doesn't enter into it -- my sister-in-law had four or five dogs at one time, including a couple of big ones, but it was the little scottie terrier who bossed all the others around...) In all my years owning dogs I have never seen a dog submit to a bitch. Never. Bitches submit to dogs. If you know of an exception then tell me and the circumstances surrounding it. When a bitch has puppies she'll protect them and not allow other dogs and bitches to come between her and them, but that's a different dynamic again, not a statement of where they sit in the pack. Size does have something to do with things and is not entirely irrelevant.

subbysubsubsub -> RE: Puppy play (8/22/2008 11:12:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Paulnz Bitches don't use posts, tyres etc., to pee against. They squat. And yes, two dogs will establish dominance by ear biting. The pressure is not hard, but firm, just enough to let out a welp. The dominant dog is then established ( always a dog over a bitch ). It's important for this to happen as they'll fight all the time at feeding time etc. if they don't get a pecking order. Incidentally, puppy poop is eaten by the bitch, but I don't know how far you want to go with it. This is only partially correct. Bitches also pee against fence posts, trees, etc when they are trying to mark territory to assert their dominance in a neighborhood. The reason why all dogs want to pee higher on any object is because their scent won't get covered up by another dog's urine. So usually the taller dog wins. Unless of course, you have a creative dog (as I do) that learned how to lift up both hind legs to rest up against a tree while balancing on her front paws and "out-pee" all the other dogs!!

subbysubsubsub -> RE: Puppy play (8/22/2008 11:23:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Paulnz In all my years owning dogs I have never seen a dog submit to a bitch. Never. Bitches submit to dogs. If you know of an exception then tell me and the circumstances surrounding it. When a bitch has puppies she'll protect them and not allow other dogs and bitches to come between her and them, but that's a different dynamic again, not a statement of where they sit in the pack. Size does have something to do with things and is not entirely irrelevant. Dominance in a pack depends on many factors such as size, gender, strength, overall health, and age (and in some instances, whose territory the dogs are currently in). I have witnessed some alpha bitches over dogs where the bitch is bigger. I'm assuming in your case, Paulnz, that you're referring to dogs of the same litter. Since the males are usually bigger than the females in a litter (or even within the same breed), males will usually be dominant over females. But if there's a bigger, stronger female, she will be the alpha. [:)]

AcademyForSlaves -> RE: Puppy play (8/22/2008 11:33:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: pinnipedster I'm curious about how common puppy play is, particularly in FemDom situations. I would really like to give it a fairly serious, thorough try, but it seems like a thing where it's difficult to find a partner with that specific interest. I'd love to find a local lady who would keep me as a dog for an evening, a day, perhaps an occasional weekend, even if we weren't otherwise involved for whatever reason. How does one go about finding that kind of a thing? It baffles me sometimes. Ah well. Hi. I've met lots of Mistresses who are into human puppies. I helped with making clips from one Mistress's human dog movie and it makes me laugh every time I see it. It's so fun. I've been looking into owning a puppy slave of my own all because it looks so exciting. What more can a sub male ask for than to be a Mistress's pet?

Paulnz -> RE: Puppy play (8/23/2008 12:42:07 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: subbysubsubsub This is only partially correct. Bitches also pee against fence posts, trees, etc when they are trying to mark territory to assert their dominance in a neighborhood. I'd call that aberrant behaviour

Paulnz -> RE: Puppy play (8/23/2008 12:50:30 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: subbysubsubsub Dominance in a pack depends on many factors such as size, gender, strength, overall health, and age (and in some instances, whose territory the dogs are currently in). I have witnessed some alpha bitches over dogs where the bitch is bigger. I'm assuming in your case, Paulnz, that you're referring to dogs of the same litter. Since the males are usually bigger than the females in a litter (or even within the same breed), males will usually be dominant over females. But if there's a bigger, stronger female, she will be the alpha. [:)] Gender and size is the main determinant, with gender being the trump card ( size only counts if the mismatch is ridiculous ). I'm talking about working dogs mostly, sheep and pig hunting dogs as they're my area, but I've also used guard dogs ( always bitches for that ). Not the same litter necessarily, but all dogs are in the pack. I have never ever had a bitch dominate a dog. Never. My first lesson in bitches submitting, was at a very early age when two of our dogs started fighting seriously. I called to my father and he looked over and said not to worry the bitch will submit. Soon after it did, by rolling onto its back, paws in the air, and exposing its stomach. That bitch was twice the size and had age on its side, but it still gave in. Now 40 years on, and many dogs, I've never had a case of the dog being dominated by a bitch. I've had trouble between dogs, and between bitches, but never between the sexes. Edit to add; something I overlooked is whether the respective dogs have been doctored or not. I never have dogs doctored, they are always complete

DarkQc -> RE: Puppy play (8/23/2008 8:45:42 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Paulnz Gender and size is the main determinant, with gender being the trump card ( size only counts if the mismatch is ridiculous ). There are two dogs that come to my office. One is my dog, a male rottweiler/lab mix and the other dog is a female dachshund. The dachshund is far more aggressive, frequently jumping and nipping at my dogs neck and ears. My dog just stands through most of it with a bewildered look on his face. They will play together but she is definitely the aggressor. He'll show her his teeth and bark/growl at her but while he's doing that, she'll have jumped in his face two or three times, yipping shrilly . Neither has ever rolled on their back for the other. It could be they don't feel the need to determine leader because they're only together a few hours each day and view their owners as their pack leaders. I'm pretty sure the dachshund wants to be top dog though.

Misstoyou -> RE: Puppy play (8/23/2008 9:14:26 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Paulnz quote: ORIGINAL: subbysubsubsub This is only partially correct. Bitches also pee against fence posts, trees, etc when they are trying to mark territory to assert their dominance in a neighborhood. I'd call that aberrant behaviour On these message boards, I don't suppose you're saying that like it's a bad thing. [:D]

MercTech -> RE: Puppy play (8/23/2008 6:14:28 PM)
Hmmm, I've never seen ear biting in canines as a show of dominance. Dominance is standing over while the submissive canine bares the belly and throat. Dominance is staring straight at the other canine until they drop the eyes and lower the head below the dominant one in a submissive posture. Puppy submission is licking the lips of the dominant bitch... a "please regurgitate some food for me" type of behavior. When confronted by a domiant canine, dropping to all fours, grabbing the canine by the throat and throwing to their back and not letting them up until they go limp establishes alpha status with the canine. It works well with bossy wolf hybrids at least. Ok... ruminating on actual canine behavior and not puppy play. Stefan

Paulnz -> RE: Puppy play (8/23/2008 8:05:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Misstoyou quote: ORIGINAL: Paulnz quote: ORIGINAL: subbysubsubsub This is only partially correct. Bitches also pee against fence posts, trees, etc when they are trying to mark territory to assert their dominance in a neighborhood. I'd call that aberrant behaviour On these message boards, I don't suppose you're saying that like it's a bad thing. [:D] Quite. I'm thinking this could become rather fun.

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