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Surrenderwithin -> The great want vs need debate (8/22/2008 8:18:12 AM)
When we think about needs... they are things we must have to survive. One of websters definitions of "need" is : "a physiological or psychological requirement for the well-being of an organism" We often hear a great debate between what we want and what we need. Most physcologist agree on the basic needs of a human. My question is this: Are your needs as a submissive or slave different than the basic human needs?

eyesopened -> RE: The great want vs need debate (8/22/2008 8:33:03 AM)
As Abraham Maslow suggested, there is a hierarchy of human needs that goes beyond that which sustains an organism. There are also what Maslow called "neurotic needs" but he did not include them in the heirarchy because they exist only in the mind of a specific individual, perceived as needs but are actually harmful rather than beneficial to the organism. As far as I'm aware, a submissive person or a slave is a human being and would have the same needs as any other human. YMMV

DelightnDevotion -> RE: The great want vs need debate (8/22/2008 12:52:22 PM)
I agree. My needs are the same. But I sure do have some different, much more kinky, wishes. [:D]

goodpet -> RE: The great want vs need debate (8/22/2008 5:14:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DelightnDevotion I agree. My needs are the same. But I sure do have some different, much more kinky, wishes. [:D] .... kinky wishes.. [sm=mistress.gif] no... really?

twistedEuphoria -> RE: The great want vs need debate (8/23/2008 11:31:55 AM)
No. My needs are not any different from most other human beings. That being said, my wants in this life are what make me happy. My needs being met....shelter/food/air to breathe.... make me comfortable but not necessarily happy. I'm a selfish little bitch, I want to be happy. My wants at any given moment may change. However, there are the base wants that I need to make my life better. Examples being, I want to not always get my way, I want to have sex, I want to be able to be a smart ass every now and then. Without those things, all my needs would be met but I would not be happy. More or less...my wants make up a need. For me to be happy. :D

IrishMist -> RE: The great want vs need debate (8/23/2008 12:15:06 PM)
quote: Most physcologist agree on the basic needs of a human. My question is this: Are your needs as a submissive or slave different than the basic human needs? Hmm, well, I don’t label myself as a submissive or a slave; despite what the profile label says :P. Some would label me a masochist; and I guess that’s about as close as it’s going to get for me. Now, if I was to instead replace submissive/slave with masochist, my answer would be no, to a degree. There are certain things that I NEED in life to survive; the pain I receive from my masochistic side is one of those.

leadership527 -> RE: The great want vs need debate (8/23/2008 1:33:46 PM)
Mine has no "needs" around her submissiveness. We are engaging in a M/s relationship because we happened into it and it happens to be working for us right now. It's not very clear that either of us would pursue an assymetrical authority type relationship in the future should one of us die. It's not even clear that we will still be doing M/s or even D/s 2 years from now. All we know is we have huge dopey grins right now and that works for us. My general feeling about needs and wants is that any individual can put as many or few things as they choose into the "need" category. But it's important to remember that every thing in the "need" bucket limits your choices and constrains your actions. So for me, at least, I try to keep the "needs" pared down to those things that I truly won't function well without... food/housing/some relationship with my wife/my sense of honor.

BitaTruble -> RE: The great want vs need debate (8/23/2008 2:02:18 PM)
There are things which I absolutely need to survive. They are included in the things that I need to thrive. Apples and applesauce. ::grins::

shiazn03 -> RE: The great want vs need debate (8/27/2008 6:18:48 PM)
yes! lol! well, not really when i think about the most basic levels of needs (food, clothing, companionship, etc.). but thinking about sexual needs though, no, it's definitely not the same as the basic "normal" human needs...hm...did i totally stray off topic? LOL! [:D]

Daes -> RE: The great want vs need debate (8/28/2008 9:22:45 AM)
Part of the basic needs for me includes what I absolutely Must have in a relationship in order to be Happy with the person I am with or with people in general. The word "need" also places emphasis, sometimes we use the word "need" over "want" mainly because "want" seems to undermine our desire for whatever it is we need/want. For example: I need my Master vs I want my Master. Changes the meaning and tone, doesnt it?

CelticPrince -> RE: The great want vs need debate (8/28/2008 10:54:57 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: eyesopened As Abraham Maslow suggested, there is a hierarchy of human needs that goes beyond that which sustains an organism. There are also what Maslow called "neurotic needs" but he did not include them in the heirarchy because they exist only in the mind of a specific individual, perceived as needs but are actually harmful rather than beneficial to the organism. As far as I'm aware, a submissive person or a slave is a human being and would have the same needs as any other human. YMMV eyes, now that is impressive, a hog rider that has read Maslow!! CP

softness -> RE: The great want vs need debate (8/28/2008 11:43:55 AM)
When I talk about needs I mean the things I need to survive and thrive ... the things I need to bake the cake. My wants and desires are the icing on that cake. No relationship that ignores my needs would survive. I dont want to be in a relationship that ignores my desires. I require my cake, with icing .... and I plan to eat every bite of it ...

littleone35 -> RE: The great want vs need debate (8/28/2008 11:54:02 AM)
I need the basics food, water,shelter and money. Everything else is a want I also both need and want my Master. So my needs are a little different as a sub. I am pretty easy to please. Matt's littleone

YourhandMyAss -> RE: The great want vs need debate (8/28/2008 11:55:18 AM)
I am not as submissibe, but I'll answer anyway. Yes. Since most "normal people" if you're meaning non kinky don't need kink to be happy in their relationships, I would say my needs are diffrent. I'd still say yes my needs are diffrent cause what you need I may pooh pooh and have absolutely utterly no need or interest in and vise versa for what I need, you may not need want or care about. So yes. my needs are diffrent than other people's needs. quote:* ORIGINAL: Surrenderwithin When we think about needs... they are things we must have to survive. One of websters definitions of "need" is : "a physiological or psychological requirement for the well-being of an organism" We often hear a great debate between what we want and what we need. Most physcologist agree on the basic needs of a human. My question is this: Are your needs as a submissive or slave different than the basic human needs?

subtee -> RE: The great want vs need debate (8/28/2008 12:06:04 PM)
Clothes? Meh. But shoes are absolutely "a physiological or psychological requirement for the well-being of [this] organism."

eyesopened -> RE: The great want vs need debate (8/28/2008 12:15:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CelticPrince quote: ORIGINAL: eyesopened As Abraham Maslow suggested, there is a hierarchy of human needs that goes beyond that which sustains an organism. There are also what Maslow called "neurotic needs" but he did not include them in the heirarchy because they exist only in the mind of a specific individual, perceived as needs but are actually harmful rather than beneficial to the organism. As far as I'm aware, a submissive person or a slave is a human being and would have the same needs as any other human. YMMV eyes, now that is impressive, a hog rider that has read Maslow!! CP Thank you. Yes, I am impressive. Weather in the south....can't ride *all* the time and it's not a hog, it's a Heritage Classic Softtail which pretty much discribes what Master rides...me or the bike, same discription.

Leatherist -> RE: The great want vs need debate (8/28/2008 12:54:51 PM)
I about fell over laughing at the mention of "nuerotic needs" Is that related to pink unicorns?

eyesopened -> RE: The great want vs need debate (8/29/2008 4:25:44 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Leatherist I about fell over laughing at the mention of "nuerotic needs" Is that related to pink unicorns? laughs I suppose someone who claims to "need" pink unicorns might be called nuerotic. Of course Maslow was referring to something else. I say I need a cigarette and my addiction reinforces that delusion of need but of course in reality it is a destructive behavior that needs to stop if I am looking out for the welfare of my body. Therefore needing a cigarette is a nuerotic need as Maslow defines it. On the other hand, do I need Master to hang weights on my nipples? To us, it's a part of sexual intimacy which falls within Maslow's pyramid. How's that for a justification/rationalization of wiitwd? grins

DesFIP -> RE: The great want vs need debate (8/30/2008 1:52:10 AM)
What I need to survive is different than what I need to be happy in a relationship. I don't need a relationship to survive. But if in one, I have certain needs which must be met for the relationship to survive.

NumberSix -> RE: The great want vs need debate (8/30/2008 1:54:59 AM)
What I need, is enough air to breather; what I want is you to give me yours too, knowing the risk; but freely; without let or hinderance. 6

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