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commitment of my person into the custody, control and a... - 8/22/2008 8:52:39 AM   
PainCompliant


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Status: offline 		Figured this approach to a contract might be of interest.  Curious if this might be more enforceable than the typical contract:

  I, the undersigned, __________________________________________, being of sound mind and unimpaired by alcohol or other drugs, hereby do voluntarily and without duress, authorize, request and accept commitment of my person into the custody, control and authority of ____________________.    This commitment is to begin on the ___ day of _____, 200__, in the state of Pennsylvania and will continue through the _____ day of ________, 200__.
  The purpose of this commitment is to provide the structure and authority needed by P ____________________ to create a particular experience I desire, and build this experience with a reality necessary to give it lasting value.  This particular experience has been mutually agreed upon.      I understand and agree that my commitment gives  ____________________ the option to suspend and deny my rights and privileges as they deem appropriate, and that  ____________________ will take measures to insure that I remain in custody, under their control and authority for the duration of my commitment.

etc. etc. etc.

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RE: commitment of my person into the custody, control a... - 8/22/2008 8:57:29 AM   
MamaDomme1


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Status: offline 		None are legally enforceable in the United States.  In fact, you could be prosecuted for kidnapping and a host of other lovely crimes if the *slave* decides to change their mind, or if some well-meaning outsider happened to find out and report anything.

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RE: commitment of my person into the custody, control a... - 8/22/2008 9:04:09 AM   
Owner4SexSlave


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Status: offline 		Hate to break the news to you!  The only type of legal papers that can be enforced are those issued by a court of law, for commitment to what program or institution.

People that volunteer to admit themselves to say, a mental health facility even maintain thier right to leave at any time they so choose...

I'm slapping my forehead in disbelief right now...

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RE: commitment of my person into the custody, control a... - 8/22/2008 9:06:58 AM   
Dnomyar


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Status: offline 		You could put a big Embossed stamp on it to try to make it look real. With your name on it you would be screwed in a court of law.

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RE: commitment of my person into the custody, control a... - 8/22/2008 10:08:51 AM   
DomMeinCT


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Status: offline 		I'd love to see the look on the face of the Notary Public who you ask to sign and seal that.  :)

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RE: commitment of my person into the custody, control a... - 8/22/2008 10:37:12 AM   
Missokyst


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Status: offline 		Thats not legal but there is something which is.
Give someone your power of attorney.  That means they have the right to do what is in your best interest, by their standards.  So, technically if someone wanted to invest all your money in creating blue faced monkeys, it is assumed you gave them that right.
I don't understand why anyone would require a legal contract to do what we do.  But if you are talking about legalities, giving someone your power is effectively saying you are mentally impaired and need assistance.
Why not just get someone to comply because they want to? 
Kyst

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RE: commitment of my person into the custody, control a... - 8/22/2008 11:11:57 AM   
littlesarbonn


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Status: offline 		There's really not a lot you can negotiate and have it really legal. However, having said that, I was once the property of a woman who was a licensed psychologist who actually drew up papers to have me committed to her care. For a few weeks, I was kind of scared out of my wits because she was quite serious about it and told me how this process was going to work from that point on, including how the government would bring me right back to her if I ever decided to "escape". In the end, she was messing with me as a really strong mindfuck, which she was quite the expert at.

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RE: commitment of my person into the custody, control a... - 8/22/2008 1:27:37 PM   
Twicehappy2x


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Status: offline 		If you feel the need for this type of contract in order to be someones submissive, you need to reexamine the word submission.
 
These excepts from your profile say a LOT!

"But I do not offer to submit. I do not see myself walking through a guy's door and saying, "OK, I'm your slave. You have absolute control over me." That is not real."
 
"Where, through respect, intimidation and fear, I am totally under another man's control. "
 
Great fantasy material but honestly, if another person did this to you in reality as your attempt at drawing up a legal contract and your profile seem to indicate you want someone to do, they could get into a heap of legal trouble.

Is the issue you feel it is unmanly to have these desires so in order for it to be ok in your mind somebody else has to "MAKE" you do the things you fantasize about?
 
As far as saying "i am your slave" not being real, well, wow, there is a boatload of folks here who find that very real for them.



< Message edited by Twicehappy2x -- 8/22/2008 1:28:13 PM >

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RE: commitment of my person into the custody, control a... - 8/22/2008 3:41:01 PM   
LuckyAlbatross


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RE: commitment of my person into the custody, control a... - 8/22/2008 11:59:36 PM   
Maxwell67


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Ummm... not to sound naive, but why do you need this contract to be enforceable?  Once the submission part ends and/or it is no longer a mutually consenting relationship why would anyone want to maintain it?  What would you do then?  It doesn't matter if the contract is enforceable.  No one who was worthy to be named in such a contract would try to enforce it.  That contract is contingent on consent.  Lose that and the contract is void.  That is how it should be.

Edited because I missed an important detail first time I read the OP... well.. look at the time-stamp I was tired.. anyway, fixed now


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RE: commitment of my person into the custody, control a... - 8/23/2008 12:20:13 AM   
WhiplashSmile2


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Status: offline 		The orientation of the OP poster is Male Slave!  What gives here sparky?  Are you looking for somebody to have legal leverage over your ass?  You want the real deal?   Ok, simply start responding to those ADs for overseas jobs in known human slavery rings.

I really don't get some people at times.  You'd swear they skipped out on or sleep through some of the Government and Social Studies classes in high school.

I think Judge Judy and others would have a friggen field day with this post if they read it. 

I really hate to break the news to you, many people fought and died so that people could have something called Freedom.  

It's been awhile since slavery was legal in the United States.

Contracts such as what you are trying to create, are ones based in Civil Law.  At best somebody could attempt to sue for breach of contract.  Don't think anybody would be rewarded damages for breaking the contract you have here.

Legally, one would not be able to enforce such a contract, since there are Laws on the Books that says this is not legal.

If you are totally confused about all this.  I suggest you visit your local library, or do some research online.   Research into contract law would be priceless for you.

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RE: commitment of my person into the custody, control a... - 8/23/2008 12:33:58 AM   
NumberSix


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Status: offline 		forget about how this makes your dick get hard, buddy.

simple contract law:

to create a particular experience I desire, and build this experience with a reality necessary to give it lasting value.  This particular experience has been mutually agreed upon. 

at particular experience I desire is beyond law.

does that mean kicking the dogshit outta you?  say it...........

no contract is enforceable except for payment in kind, but some flatulence to  attempt to circumvent what is at its inception an unenforceable and illegal contract only obfuscates the issue


you are trying to make an illegal contract, goddammit, make it.......at least that is agrueable.............. 

I have read your sworn statement, and judge wapner 5 minutes, you didnt get the experience you desire?  even Judge Judy can't fuck with that.



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RE: commitment of my person into the custody, control a... - 8/23/2008 4:13:14 AM   
DavidS8ist


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quote:

ORIGINAL: PainCompliant

Figured this approach to a contract might be of interest.  Curious if this might be more enforceable than the typical contract:

I, the undersigned, __________________________________________, being of sound mind and unimpaired by alcohol or other drugs, hereby do voluntarily and without duress, authorize, request and accept commitment of my person into the custody, control and authority of ____________________.    This commitment is to begin on the ___ day of _____, 200__, in the state of Pennsylvania and will continue through the _____ day of ________, 200__.
The purpose of this commitment is to provide the structure and authority needed by P ____________________ to create a particular experience I desire, and build this experience with a reality necessary to give it lasting value.  This particular experience has been mutually agreed upon.      I understand and agree that my commitment gives  ____________________ the option to suspend and deny my rights and privileges as they deem appropriate, and that  ____________________ will take measures to insure that I remain in custody, under their control and authority for the duration of my commitment.

etc. etc. etc.



Why *bother*???!!!  Either do it or don't.  Words on paper don't mean a thing.  And a time limit?  Come to me with that and, after I stop laughing uncontrollably, I'll shove you right out the door!

To me, this represents a complete lack of trust in your own judgment as well as a failure of your due dililgence investigating the other person.  This ain't a game.

This is life for those of us who actually do this shit.

D.

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RE: commitment of my person into the custody, control a... - 8/23/2008 4:36:01 AM   
WhiplashSmile2


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Status: offline 		I'm waiting for the OP to buy a vowel so Vanna White can flip over a letter and give him a better clue.

What's that old Aldo Nova song from the 80's, Life is Just a Fantasy?

How about, yes Alex I'll take American Legal for $200...  which reminds me of Wierd Al's "I lost on Jeopardy baby" song.

I mean given the Age of the OP, I'm certain he's more than familar with having an 80's flashback or two.   Perhaps even a good 70's flashback.  Back in the Day, when teenagers would get high before, after and even during class.

Clearly this is an example where age does not automatically equate to knowledge and experience.

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RE: commitment of my person into the custody, control a... - 8/23/2008 7:50:22 AM   
PainCompliant


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Status: offline 		Such hostility, and oh, the brutal sarcasm.  So many assumptions.  I am totally scathed.   The orginal wording is from the contract used by the former Academy Training Center which provided, for a fee, realistic and non-sexual prison experiences.  It was drawn up by their attorney in the hopes of protecting them.  I don't know if it was an attempt at setting up a defendable contract or merely dissuading a naive client by giving the sense that he had truly turned over custody to them. 

I am aware of the many Master/Slave contracts out there and their unenforcability, and was merely wondering if this approach had any more teeth.  That's all.

For the record - I have no more use for contracts that I have for the cooperative slavery that is so popular nowadays.  "My slave obeys me because my slave wants to please me..." My approach - negotiate the rules of engagement up front and then find a man with the balls to enforce them by means above and beyond trusting in my compliance or my desire to please.

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RE: commitment of my person into the custody, control a... - 8/23/2008 7:57:37 AM   
Jeffff


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quote:

ORIGINAL: PainCompliant

For the record - I have no more use for contracts that I have for the cooperative slavery that is so popular nowadays.  "My slave obeys me because my slave wants to please me..." My approach - negotiate the rules of engagement up front and then find a man with the balls to enforce them by means above and beyond trusting in my compliance or my desire to please.



Until, of course, he goes TOO far and you go to the police and or the hospital. Then he shows them your piece of paper. Then they laugh and cuff him

Jeff

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RE: commitment of my person into the custody, control a... - 8/23/2008 8:03:22 AM   
PainCompliant


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Twicehappy2x

If you feel the need for this type of contract in order to be someones submissive, you need to reexamine the word submission.
 
These excepts from your profile say a LOT!

"But I do not offer to submit. I do not see myself walking through a guy's door and saying, "OK, I'm your slave. You have absolute control over me." That is not real."
 
"Where, through respect, intimidation and fear, I am totally under another man's control. "
 
Great fantasy material but honestly, if another person did this to you in reality as your attempt at drawing up a legal contract and your profile seem to indicate you want someone to do, they could get into a heap of legal trouble.

Is the issue you feel it is unmanly to have these desires so in order for it to be ok in your mind somebody else has to "MAKE" you do the things you fantasize about?
 
As far as saying "i am your slave" not being real, well, wow, there is a boatload of folks here who find that very real for them.




I don't think that the definition of "fantasy" is "an approach different from one I choose to pursue."  I'd also suggest that if I have already experienced what I seek, it is not a fantasy but rather a desire to evolve - or at least to repeat the sort of experience that works for me.



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RE: commitment of my person into the custody, control a... - 8/23/2008 8:09:09 AM   
PainCompliant


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Jeffff

quote:

ORIGINAL: PainCompliant

For the record - I have no more use for contracts that I have for the cooperative slavery that is so popular nowadays.  "My slave obeys me because my slave wants to please me..." My approach - negotiate the rules of engagement up front and then find a man with the balls to enforce them by means above and beyond trusting in my compliance or my desire to please.



Until, of course, he goes TOO far and you go to the police and or the hospital. Then he shows them your piece of paper. Then they laugh and cuff him

Jeff


What piece of paper?  "Rules of engagement" is merely agreeing on constraints or limits.  Not a written contract.  Why would what I seek lead to hospitals and police any more than anyone else who pursues b/d, s/m, m/s?

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RE: commitment of my person into the custody, control a... - 8/23/2008 8:13:28 AM   
colouredin


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Status: offline 		There was a recent case where a male Dom used a contract, he had attempted to kill his ex slave (put a latex glove in her mouth knowing she was badly allergic to latex) he showed the contract and said, see it says i wouldnt cause her harm so i clearly cant be guilty, thank god his ass is in jail

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