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MsD -> RE: Failure and ADHD (8/24/2008 7:44:38 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse
... I've always wondered exactly what "normal" is supposed to be cuz I sure as hell don't know anyone that is.

... it's just part of what makes the person who they are, unique.


high 5 LT [;)]  & I, for one, have always been thankful for the differences & the uniqueness, the intensity & the insight it has brought into my life.  Like you, I was never diagnosed ... I diagnosed myself in learning abt my daughter's adhd & how to teach her to cope in life ... her degree of adhd being more intense than my own, I taught her the best I could & took her to a few therapists who taught her some better coping skills ... the only benefit & usage I ever got or used out of the adhd label was #1 insurance coverage for the therapists & meds she honestly needed (tho I fought to keep her from being zombitized [>:]) & #2 leverage when advocating for her education.  I have never allowed it to be used as an excuse, no matter how she manipulated & tried to  use it as a child.  I'm happy to say that at 20 & payin her own bills & workin at an entry-level job, what I taught her stuck.  It might be a relearning/retraining issue, but it is never acceptable to use it for an excuse & for sliding by through life. 




truesub4u -> RE: Failure and ADHD (8/25/2008 3:17:40 PM)

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ORIGINAL: WhiplashSmile2

Here's a subject that I'm certain has been covered before some.  It deals with a submissive partner having ADHD.

As much as "failure" is not an option is stressed at times in D/s relationships.  Even in getting to know each other stages, where a submissive has ADHD combined with a busy life schedule.

I'm interested in how people have managed to deal with momemts of failure or let's use the word "let down".

I realize the ADHD or ADD, kind of runs at different levels for different folks. 

I'm curious with regards to how people on both sides of the coins have learned to adjust and deal with in.  Back to the concept of "Failure".  

Where the submissive party even at times get very frustrated with themselves or vice versa.

How has ADHD fucked up a previous D/s relationship, or even impacted upon the whole courtship process at times.

Even crazy moments, when somebody has missed taking medication such as Aderall for a few days or so.

To make this topic a little more interesting, how has been being punished or punishing somebody with ADHD changed things.

My cousin is married to somebody with ADHD, she is a very wonderful person, great sense of humor and is always on the go.  However even in their Vanilla marriage things don't always get done, and let's get lost in a the momemt.  My cousin is an extremely patient and understanding person.   However, again they have a Vanilla non-D/s non-lifestyle relationship.

I'm trying to wrap my mind around adjustments, and dealing with moments when a submissive fails.  I know how submissives hate failing at times too.  I also know how this can grate on a Doms patient and nerves when things don't go as planned or expected. 

So, with all this said.   I'm very interested in hearing stories, experiences, from both sides of the coin.  Both Good and Bad.


Before I begin... I want it known that I am not dissing anyone with ADHD or Bipolar... or any other type of disorders... for those that have been dealing with it for years.. medicated... etc... have normal lives...and disrupted lives at time. SO THIS IS NOT ME DISSING NO-ONE...


That being said.... I have neither bipolar (though I did have a shrink that tried to say my oldest daughter and I both have it after only a 2 hour session..... grrrr).... nor do I have ADHD or ADD. I have really screwed up days myself. It doesn't mean i'm a failure... it means I am human.

Sometime I feel doctors and others jump to fast to say someone has one of these disorders (specially those that do not test properly) because it's an easy out for them...and a hard one for the one who has something seriously wrong that isn't so easy to find.

But either way... disorders like these doesn't mean someones a failure. And to impress on someone that they are is just... fucked up. Nothing wrong with having an off day. Having an off day just helps balance out the good days. And if ya take notice... most days are good. (Disorders or none)

This is a touchy subject for me... because I'm one of those that feel some people get these disorders labled on them just because they are having an off day. And now a day doctors are just to damn lazy and find it easier to give out pills.

As for the ones who ACTUALLY have these disorders... it's ok to have an off day... consider a free day to just be lazy or find something else to do that makes it a good day for you... cause there is no failure in being human....[&:]




HollywoodExecDom -> RE: Failure and ADHD (8/25/2008 8:24:25 PM)

First, if you are serious about getting information about ADHD, I recommend not seeking just the opinions on this board because while some are good, some are a bit misguided - to put it nicely.

ADHD can be thought of in lots of different ways - but the best way to consider it is an alternative brain type - and fact is, using PET scan and other brain imaging technology, you can physically see the difference in the ADHD brain - so don't listen to people who say it doesn't exist or its just an excuse. Yes, its sometimes mistakenly diagnosed, but it is 100% scientifically verifiable.

That said, ADHD suffers think differently. Not rightly, not wrongly, and neither superiorly or inferiorly. Recognizing this, you can make two choices: manager your ADHD to fit your life, or manager your life to fit your ADHD - and either way is fine but the former can be more of a challenge - which isn't necessarily bad.

Fact is, ADHD suffers do seek out BDSM more often than the general population because of their need for heightened intellectual stimulus - in all walks of their life, even the bedroom.

Read scholarly articles about ADHD. There are a lot of quirks to the ADHD brain that you'll pick up...

Everyone who gave their opinion on this site thus far has been wrong in a sense about their assessment because they discount that ADHD suffers have a unique skill called hyper concentration / hyperfocus that often kicks in during BDSM play. Hyper concentration can kick in whenever you give an ADD sub a CHALLENGING menial task. As long as it remains challenging, they will maintain better concentration than a "regular" person.

That said, in looking up a good definition of hyperfocus, I came across a good quote "People who think ADD means having a short attention span misunderstand what ADD is," says Kathleen Nadeau, Ph.D., a psychologist in Silver Spring, Maryland, and the author of ADD-Friendly Ways to Organize Your Life. "A better way to look at it is that people with ADD have a disregulated attention system."

Anyways, my personal feeling is that you probably won't need to do that much differently with someone who has ADD and is into BDSM unless is extremely pronounced - and in most of those case, the ADHD runs comorbid with other disorders that would heighten the perceived effect of the ADD - though each ADD sufferer is different, and some have particular areas they really struggle with - so I'd need more information before I can say this with a completely clear conscience.

I doubt there is much danger of you substantially impairing any adaptive behaviors with your BDSM activities (i.e. ADD suffers tend to develop coping mechanisms like keeping meds in a place they see, creating complex ways of not losing keys, etc.) Yes, occasionally you can throw these things off, but probably not drastically and they get thrown off anyways - and honestly, the structure BDSM provides tend to be net beneficial considering any disruption it creates to ADHD sufferers.

But one thing I heard alluded to but not just said is...

Your sub may NOT want to be treated differently at all! ADHD subs often crave the challenge that come with living under firm rules, and relaxing those rules in the interest of perceived disability may prove disappointing to your sub.

In the end, this is a massively complex subject that really a message board thread doesn't do justice for - especially when several posts took on exceptionally authoritative tones yet were woefully ill informed.

One last thing... Most ADHD suffers will tell you, their meds are not that magical. An ADHD sufferer can skip them, they'll just less productive when they do. Not a big deal. Unless someone has pretty extreme ADHD, you won't notice when they're medicated and when they aren't (unless they're substantially overmedicated)




LaTigresse -> RE: Failure and ADHD (8/26/2008 4:14:07 AM)

Okay, after yesterday evening's frantic search of my office for my car keys only to find them in a new and "unique" place.....annnnnnnnnnnnd.......after finding yet another set of "hiding" car keys in my winter chore coat. I can say without reserve that not ALL people with ADD have developed any sort of complex manner to avoid misplacing car keys!![:D]

However, the hyper focus thing, most definately. I noticed this in both my kids and definately see it in myself. It only has to be something we really can get completely involved in. Like a really good book.




WhiplashSmile2 -> RE: Failure and ADHD (8/26/2008 6:00:09 AM)

I want to thank everybody for their post to the thread so far.  I've enjoyed reading each and every single response, including the humor tossed in as well.

This is one of those threads I started with the intention of simply kicking back, reading and listening to everything anybody could humanly contribute.

I've been rather passive and not active on this thread, because I'm more interested in listening.  Thinking and reflecting upon this topic at length.

Again, I want to thank everybody for their contribution to the thread.




Plumpinthefatty -> RE: Failure and ADHD (8/26/2008 9:04:02 AM)

With me I do have ADD a bit and take medication for it, with my meds yet I can still get distracted, usually my former dom wouldn't punish me for getting distracted but discpline me being I couldn't control myself or how distracted I got. Every day, out of BDSM I try to improve my faults, I expect that with the right partner he will help me do what I can and also it takes me a moment longer to comprehend what someone may say, due to my learning disabilities. I figure if someone can read my body language ask me enough questions they will see I am okay. For me personally it would really depend how well my partner got to know me being my learning disabilities aren't a problem for me, I've coped with them since a young age and do what I can to get by. ::Smirks:: Many people without ADD get distracted as well.




servantheart -> RE: Failure and ADHD (8/26/2008 4:52:17 PM)

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ORIGINAL: pompeii
I started to answer this post ... and then ... I forgot what I was gonna' say...


Omg, I can soooooo relate to that!  My youngest UM is still in the process of learning that if she interrupts me when I'm in the middle of a sentence, she's not likely to ever hear the rest of it [X(]
 




 
How do I cope with the maddening distractibility?  In a word - daily.  It requires ongoing conscious effort on my part.  Some days are better than others, but there are a few things that help:
 
  • If it's not written down, it doesn't exist in my world. 
  • If I need to remember to bring something with me when I'm headed out the door, I put it next to my purse or put my purse on top of it if it's something large.  Sometimes that doesn't work, so I resort to getting a large piece of paper (8.5 x 11 sheet), writing myself a reminder in the loudest colored Sharpie I can find around the house and then I tape it to the door.
  • Meds - I have a pill container that I prepare each night before bedtime, as part of my nightly routine.  I keep it in my purse since I have to take meds throughout the day for thyroid and adrenal issues.  So far, so good with remembering to take them on time during the day.  I guess the incentive there is wanting to avoid feeling as miserable as I did before I started treatment.
  • Bills/Appointments - I add them to my Yahoo calendar and send myself reminders both to my email account as well as my cell phone. 
  • Keys - I have them on a clip that I attach to my purse.  No deviations from that routine permitted.  If I don't keep them attached to my purse when I'm not using them, they will invariably vanish into thin air. 
  • Setting a timer helps with staying on task in the short term.
  • To Do Lists are sometimes also helpful for staying on task. 
  • I like to set the alarm to allow myself lots of extra time to get ready in the mornings. 
  • Getting enough sleep is a must whenever possible.
  • Setting out everything I need for the morning before going to bed drastically cuts down the amount of time I spend running around in circles trying to get myself ready to leave the house. 
  • Occasionally getting feedback from those close to me helps me to see myself as others do and to make changes where necessary. 

As for dealing with someone who has ADD/ADHD, patience and understanding is key.  We beat ourselves up enough and don't need our noses constantly rubbed in our screw-ups.  For me personally, positive reinforcement goes a long way.  I hate to disappoint, so when my Master (or anyone) is pleased with something I've done, and voices that pleasure, it makes me want to work even harder to please that person.  I once had a Master who did nothing but focus on every little thing I didn't do right.  He constantly sought out reasons to punish me.  A steady diet of that left me feeling perpetually worthless, which only served to cause me to fail more often and in bigger ways. 




MastYellow -> RE: Failure and ADHD (8/26/2008 8:28:56 PM)

Want to help your sub?

Get them off the meds, you'll both benefit.

-Ben




MastYellow -> RE: Failure and ADHD (8/26/2008 8:41:25 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: HollywoodExecDom

First, if you are serious about getting information about ADHD, I recommend not seeking just the opinions on this board because while some are good, some are a bit misguided - to put it nicely.

ADHD can be thought of in lots of different ways - but the best way to consider it is an alternative brain type - and fact is, using PET scan and other brain imaging technology, you can physically see the difference in the ADHD brain - so don't listen to people who say it doesn't exist or its just an excuse. Yes, its sometimes mistakenly diagnosed, but it is 100% scientifically verifiable.


Have to agree about the brain type thing, it's just another type not a disorder or a disability.
80% of musicians, scientists and nobel prize winners are very likely ADD/ADHD type brains.

I do have to disagree with the word "sufferer". The person with ADD is fine, the person
who suffers isn't the person with the "disorder", maybe anyone trying to put them in a cage
would be an ADD sufferer. :-)

quote:


An ADHD sufferer can skip them, they'll just less productive when they do.


I'd say that's not quiet on either...... Maybe when medicated permanently the drug
dependence makes it harder to function without the drugs, however generally
I believe that without the drugs the person will function how they were meant to,
with abilities in some areas that far out-strip any "normal" person.

The key to ADD is to understand it's not a problem, disorder, illness or anything anyone suffers with.
That's what the drug companies sell it as.
The drugs are VERY bad for you.
Having an ADD brain is a GREAT BENEFIT.

-Ben




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