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RE: Question to young closeted subs - 8/24/2008 11:07:29 PM   
Quivver


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I've never found that volunteering information was a good thing unless your seeking permission. 
If it's their blessing you want, ask.  If you dont need a blessing go do your thing. 
If you are asked a direct question thats when you answer truthfully.


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RE: Question to young closeted subs - 8/24/2008 11:54:27 PM   
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I'm not in memphis, so I can't list anything going on in memphis nor do I give  a shit.  but I can list the date time and location of all the munches I know of happening in sacramento. It's not a big private secret, the munches are listed on the group and other websites. Hell there's a norcal bdsm list that'll list every group the list owner knows of an  the group name and where it's located. I can also tell you all the play parties going on at SF citadel,  I didn't say private parties were listed, I said Iknew plenty of groups that the info was public knowledge.

Munches are not big huge secrets there's other counties who's munces can be found just by looking up the name of the county. Lakecounty for one, and Yuba City and modesto and stockton munches, all can be found by doing a websearch on one site or another.



So no I'm not full of shit, because it's true you can go to any number of sacramento bdsm announcemnt lists, and other lists and likely all the munches going on that the group is aware of will be posted, time date and location. Which is what I said, that most munch info is public information that any one out there can go and find out.

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Expesially when most munches and play parties are listed publically on a group somewhere and any one inclined can go look and see not only the date and the time but the location in most cases.



Then you should have no trouble providing a link to the time and place of the next Memphis Munch, should you?

Or the exact location of the major private bondage clubs and hosted play parties?

After all we have your word that 'most' of these post the details publicly.



What utter bullshit...if people decide that they want to keep their activities a secret, and they invite you into those activities on condition of discretion, (a requirement that you will find at more than a few places), then 'deciding to be out'  does not provide a convenient excuse to violate their trust without their consent.

Discretion means exactly that, discretion, not 'I'm going to the munch/private dungeon' followed by parental grilling on who, what, where, when, and why.


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RE: Question to young closeted subs - 8/25/2008 12:09:39 AM   
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As a matter of fact I can sit here and tell you, hell any one who asked the last 3 months of munch info for all the munches, including the one being held tonight. And when it'll repeat. The info's not secret or private as I said the date, the time and the location is listed on the net.

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RE: Question to young closeted subs - 8/25/2008 1:00:43 AM   
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The munches in Wellington (New Zealand) are publicly listed and while I haven't attended, know I could just go the the cafe they meet at regularly - no secret there....

As to telling your parents - that's a tricky one. I still haven't told mine (and I haven't lived at home for 11 years). They would worry, might not understand, and the depth of explaination that would be required is just not something I'm interested in devling into with them. To me its a private matter, not a 'secret' I keep.

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RE: Question to young closeted subs - 8/25/2008 3:00:15 AM   
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I just know my parents would curl up and die if I volunteered info on my sex life.

I don't want to know what they do and they sure don't want to know what I get up to.

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RE: Question to young closeted subs - 8/25/2008 3:55:17 AM   
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Most people I know have a vague idea, this is part of who I am and therefore i dont think its shameful or something to hide, my father knows the bare bones (walking out the house dressed up would raise eyebrows otherwise) my sisters know a bit more, I help to run a munch in my local so lots of people know bits and bobs, i never made a big deal about it, didnt sit people down but then ive always been open about myself.

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RE: Question to young closeted subs - 8/25/2008 5:05:58 AM   
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ORIGINAL: YourhandMyAss

I'm not in memphis, so I can't list anything going on in memphis nor do I give  a shit.  but I can list the date time and location of all the munches I know of happening in sacramento. It's not a big private secret, the munches are listed on the group and other websites. Hell there's a norcal bdsm list that'll list every group the list owner knows of an  the group name and where it's located. I can also tell you all the play parties going on at SF citadel,  I didn't say private parties were listed, I said Iknew plenty of groups that the info was public knowledge.

Munches are not big huge secrets there's other counties who's munces can be found just by looking up the name of the county. Lakecounty for one, and Yuba City and modesto and stockton munches, all can be found by doing a websearch on one site or another.



So no I'm not full of shit, because it's true you can go to any number of sacramento bdsm announcemnt lists, and other lists and likely all the munches going on that the group is aware of will be posted, time date and location. Which is what I said, that most munch info is public information that any one out there can go and find out.

but thanks for playing. Do not pass go and do not collect 100 dollars





The OP made it plain that they would be asked who, what, where, etc if they said they were going to a play party, munch etc.


Clearly under the heading of 'discretion'  I was only talking about private play parties, private clubs, and private groups that don't want their location and information about attendees made public. 

It is not true that these same groups then turn around and post that information publicly on the web for anyone to go see, as you claimed.
The fact that some commercial clubs and some groups may choose to be open about their activities doesn't give you the right to decide that it is OK to out everyone else with the fraudulent claim that 'most' of them don't care.

Discretion is based on the concepts of trust and consent, and you have quite clearly demonstrated your fundamental contempt for all three.

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RE: Question to young closeted subs - 8/25/2008 5:14:02 AM   
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I dont know much about private parties, I know that a lot of events in the UK are publically listed but I also know there are private parties, I wouldnt have thought that meant you couldnt say to someone you trusted where you were going, I would have thought in terms of safty that would be a good idea, but then I would imagine if you were invited to a priavte party it would be with people you knew anyways I dunno but for someone just starting out it IS a good idea to tell someone where you are going and who you are meeting, thats just common sense.

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RE: Question to young closeted subs - 8/25/2008 5:21:47 AM   
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The OP said their parents would demand to know where they were going and who was going to be there, and that they wouldn't be too receptive.

That is the issue I'm addressing, in respect to people at those venues who thought they were assured of discretion..

This isn't about commerical clubs or publicly advertised munches, or about going off alone to some stranger's house, this is about betraying the trust of the entire community, who have gone to the trouble to provide a safe place for many people to meet and interact in privacy and without interruption or threat of exposure. 

There is a big difference between fantasizing and only interacting online, and screwing up the lives of real people without their consent. 

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RE: Question to young closeted subs - 8/25/2008 5:27:51 AM   
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Yeah well I can understand them asking and its a choice they make, if its an open venue then i dont see the problem, my father doesnt demand but i tell him, oh im going to a munch with so and so, i dont see the problem with that if it makes him feel better. I dont think its betraying the trust of an entire community to say where you are going and i wouldnt want to be involved with people who thought it was, in the beginning I would never go to an event without telling someone where I was going and giving them the contact details of a friend I was going with, I of course would ask that friends permission but it puts other people at ease and I wasnt betraying anyone, its a case of how you do it, its not like anyone would give the full names, addresses, national insurance number and vital statistics about everyone at an event, its just something that helps to pacify people who worry (ie parents)

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RE: Question to young closeted subs - 8/25/2008 7:20:00 AM   
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Have you thought about talking to your aunt about it?  Getting her advice may be better than anything we can add, as she knows both you and your parents.



That would be My advice too. she will know how they reacted to Her comming out and maybe able to give an insite as to what approach is likely to work best.


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RE: Question to young closeted subs - 8/25/2008 2:36:06 PM   
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Wow. . . lots of helpful people. A lot of the advice reassures me. A lot of the cautions against breaking confidentiality are accepted in good faith. I get what some of the concers are, and I wouldn't purposefully reveil info about people and their private lives.

I think I'm going to do the ask the aunt route, followed by a dose of "I'm going out with friends to [blank place] and you have my cell phone number". Thank you to everyone! And please continue the privacy debate. It's getting very interesting. How much info is too much to reviel? Names? Phone numbers? Locations? If I left out the "it's BDSM stuff", would that make it better? I'm going to a party with [random names] at [random place]. Cya!

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RE: Question to young closeted subs - 8/25/2008 5:18:47 PM   
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I think it would be better to say that you are going out with ----- friends to a party, not sure where, i have my cell phone.    I really don't think i would have given my parents the address of the party  -  I would be too worried that they would actually turn up! Probably wouldn't have happened, but you never know.

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RE: Question to young closeted subs - 8/25/2008 5:53:03 PM   
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Wow. . . lots of helpful people. A lot of the advice reassures me. A lot of the cautions against breaking confidentiality are accepted in good faith. I get what some of the concers are, and I wouldn't purposefully reveil info about people and their private lives.




And I didn't want to suggest that you would, just wanted it out there for consideration that the urge to be completely open might be more appropriate when going to an open event like a commercial fetish nightclub, than a private function.

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RE: Question to young closeted subs - 8/25/2008 8:59:39 PM   
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Umm hello you run the risk of exposure every time you go to a bdsm event. so by your statement those who don't want to be found out should never go out anywhere t hat could be associated with kink. You're never assured  100 percent, of anything in this life except one day you'll die.

Munches, are typically held in a restaraunt, if you're lucky in a  banquet room if not, you're in and amongst the vanillas at a couple of tables reserved amongst a whole room of vanilla's who're not there for your munch.

Munches in a whole,  They're not private and you're not gaurenteed privacy or saftey to attend the event, because anybody can walk in and see you there, in this banquet hall  and put two and two together  that this is a bdsm munch and you're involved if they are inclined to.

The munches I went to also never had a confidentiality clause either. Most people kept shut cause it's considered rude to name names, but there's no rules or agreements you must agree to, to attend the munches I have been to, other than don't bring toys and s how up dressed appropriately for the vanilla setting and do not bring children. and please act appropriately for the venue you're in.


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That is the issue I'm addressing, in respect to people at those venues who thought they were assured of discretion..

This isn't about commerical clubs or publicly advertised munches, or about going off alone to some stranger's house, this is about betraying the trust of the entire community, who have gone to the trouble to provide a safe place for many people to meet and interact in privacy and without interruption or threat of exposure




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RE: Question to young closeted subs - 8/25/2008 9:18:11 PM   
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That maybe true in your experience, but absence of evidence is not evidence of absence... 

Just because you're familiar with public venues that are open about their location and attendees identities,  doesn't mean that the way things are done at the multitude of private, invitation/screening only, discretion required (often in the form of a signed part of the entrance waiver) functions should be ignored...
But that is what you keep arguing.

If you personally don't believe in discretion, and most importantly, don't want to follow the precepts of trust and consent upon which discretion is built, that is up to you.

But I'm still calling BS on advising others to show the same disregard.

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