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IvyMorgan -> RE: third person talk (8/25/2008 1:47:51 PM)
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ORIGINAL: CallaFirestormBW
We use third-person speech and other speech controls as part of our household's protocols. In addition, third-person speech is part of the academic practices that are required for the work that I do (academic papers are written in the 3rd person). Because of the length of time and experience we've had with it, we've found that it is possible to have very artistic, well-developed conversations in 3rd person.
That being said, being able to communicate effectively in 3rd person -does- require a great deal of grammatical background. It requires not only the capacity to recognize 3rd person attributes, but also requires a great deal of creativity and linguistic flexibility in order to avoid the repetition and unclear pronouns that can make 3rd person speech rather difficult to understand and tangled to create. The necessity of combining both the 3rd person and passive voices can ameliorate some of the issues that come up in 3rd person speech, but only a true love for the medium will enable someone to make it not only palatable, but understandable and musical for the listener/reader. We spend a great deal of time coaching our servants in the particular skills of 3rd person an passive-voice conversation for just that reason (it's no fun if they can't be understood and they annoy our friends, right?)
"It is the opinion of the author that 3rd Person and Passive-Voice speech affectations can enhance the dominant/submissive mindset and beautifully impact spoken and written communication between both parties."
Calla Firestorm
I am similar, I write/wrote a *lot* of essays for college, and proof read for others, and was generally immersed in the world of academia for about 4 years. As such, speaking in academic third person flows well for me. But then, I'm one of those annoying people who will have one sentence that runs on for eight to ten lines, and so constitutes an entire paragraph and argument in its own right, purely due to the number of subordinate clauses that I employed. I was christened "Queen of the Subordiante Clause" and "Aspiring German" (theology joke) by my tutors.
In a BDSM context, I find myself "lapsing" into third person when I feel vulnerable or unsure. When I feel small, I use third person. The distance from my feelings, and whatever it is that is making me feel uncomfortable helps me stabalise. This girl often talks to herself in third person, and will frequently maintain a running commentary of her actions in third person, not designed for the benefit of any other in particular but purely as a security blanket of sorts for her. The requirement of thinking and then commenting in third person being sufficient of a distraction and effort that other thoughts are then required to take a back seat. She agrees wholehertedly with Calla Firestorm, that third person speaking enhances the D/s mindset, but would also choose to add that it can be very calming and mindclearing as an exercise to be engaged in every once in a while.
Aside from spending far too long writing essays, third person speach comes naturally to this particular submissive in no small part because of the way that she was raised and originally "trained." She would agree with the OP, however, that the constant repetition of "this girl would like to serve her Maser coffee" and similar Gorean-type phraseology, is dull and repetative at best, and irksome at worst. Truly creative third person speakers are hard to come by, and as such, this poster (who believes it necessary to find more than one noun to refer to herself, for variety if nothing else) would be most interested in having more developed conversations with others using this grammatical form, knowing that it is very possible to lapse and lose the skill unless it is practiced. To that end, this, quite sleepy young woman, is about to scoot her ass over to the other side and send Calla Firestorm a memo, and she mentions this only in so far as to notify the recipient of the sending so that they might know to go and check their memo inbox.
*smiles*
I do believe I need to do that more often.
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