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John F. Kennedy - 8/28/2008 9:39:08 PM   
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Why would anyone think that John F Kennedy ranked as "a great President"?

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PS. As a side issue ... anyone else noticed that many the threads that seem to cast Obama in a negative light end up deleted or moved to Polls and Random Stupidity?

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RE: John F. Kennedy - 8/28/2008 9:42:10 PM   
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And why did my thread about 8(and counting) GOP Senators not attending the republican convention get moved to PORS?

That thread had con heads busted and blood on the floor,only to fade into never never land.

Was it................. Satan?

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RE: John F. Kennedy - 8/28/2008 9:42:21 PM   
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Why would anyone think that John F Kennedy ranked as "a great President"?


Well, duh... he was assassinated.  That must mean he was great.  Right? 

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RE: John F. Kennedy - 8/28/2008 9:43:11 PM   
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Why would anyone think that John F Kennedy ranked as "a great President"?



         He got shot, and replaced by LBJ.  The legend grew.

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RE: John F. Kennedy - 8/28/2008 9:45:41 PM   
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Can we stick to this century,Firm?


As long as you mean in the last 100 years ~ 1908 and after.

I ain't done yet ... wait till I start in on FDR!

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RE: John F. Kennedy - 8/28/2008 9:48:27 PM   
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Why would anyone think that John F Kennedy ranked as "a great President"?


Well, duh... he was assassinated.  That must mean he was great.  Right? 



Ummm,to soon to make jokes about that.....to soon.

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RE: John F. Kennedy - 8/28/2008 9:48:43 PM   
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Why would anyone think that John F Kennedy ranked as "a great President"?



        He got shot, and replaced by LBJ.  The legend grew.


You sure LBJ shot and replaced him?

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RE: John F. Kennedy - 8/28/2008 9:54:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		John F. Kennedy never had a chance to prove himself, however, I would point out that he was the first President to push for Equal Rights for African Americans, he pushed the US into the space race, he stood toe to toe with Nikita Khrushchev, and didn't blink.

While the US forced the Soviet Union to pull First Line Short Range Ballistic Missiles out of Cuba, all the Americans had to do was pull some obsolete Short Range Missiles out of Turkey, which were already slated for deactivation.

The truth is that Three groups had reason to see Kennedy killed, Organized Crime, the Cubans, and the Soviet Union.  The fact that Lee Harvey Oswald had defected to the Soviet Union then recanted his statements is one of the major reasons behind the various conspiracy theories concerning JFK's death.

For what he was able to accomplish during his short time in office, he did manage to get more of his programs through Congress than most other Presidents.

As for the criteria that is used to define Kennedy as a great president, it stems from his stance against the Soviet Union during the Missile Crisis and pushing for the US to beat the Russians to the moon with a manned flight.


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RE: John F. Kennedy - 8/28/2008 9:56:47 PM   
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Why would anyone think that John F Kennedy ranked as "a great President"?



       He got shot, and replaced by LBJ.  The legend grew.


You sure LBJ shot and replaced him?


       LOL.  Didn't mean it that way, but, who benefited?

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RE: John F. Kennedy - 8/28/2008 9:59:51 PM   
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= Vietnam.

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RE: John F. Kennedy - 8/28/2008 10:09:28 PM   
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John F. Kennedy never had a chance to prove himself, however, I would point out that he was the first President to push for Equal Rights for African Americans, he pushed the US into the space race, he stood toe to toe with Nikita Khrushchev, and didn't blink.

While the US forced the Soviet Union to pull First Line Short Range Ballistic Missiles out of Cuba, all the Americans had to do was pull some obsolete Short Range Missiles out of Turkey, which were already slated for deactivation.

The truth is that Three groups had reason to see Kennedy killed, Organized Crime, the Cubans, and the Soviet Union.  The fact that Lee Harvey Oswald had defected to the Soviet Union then recanted his statements is one of the major reasons behind the various conspiracy theories concerning JFK's death.

For what he was able to accomplish during his short time in office, he did manage to get more of his programs through Congress than most other Presidents.

As for the criteria that is used to define Kennedy as a great president, it stems from his stance against the Soviet Union during the Missile Crisis and pushing for the US to beat the Russians to the moon with a manned flight.



I'm not saying he was a bad President. I'm just challenging the oft heard BS that he was a "great" President.

Civil Rights started earlier. You can make several arguments about where, but I'd note that Truman de-segrated the military and started putting Civil Rights on the national agenda again, and it was LBJ who actually get the Civil Rights Act passed.

Space race ... check.

He went "toe-to-toe" with the Russians because he was seen as an amateur, and easily buffaloed by Khrushchev. The Cuban missile crisis and the Berlin Wall were a direct result of Kennedy's weakness in foreign policy.

he did manage to get more of his programs through Congress than most other Presidents.

You have some kind of proof of this?

Firm

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RE: John F. Kennedy - 8/28/2008 10:11:59 PM   
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RE: John F. Kennedy - 8/28/2008 10:12:20 PM   
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RE: John F. Kennedy - 8/28/2008 10:13:56 PM   
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Ummm ,.... He bagged Marilyn Monroe?



Yeah ... along with how many 100s of others?

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RE: John F. Kennedy - 8/28/2008 10:17:45 PM   
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Ummm ,.... He bagged Marilyn Monroe?



Yeah ... along with how many 100s of others?

Firm


And ,........with a bad back....


Nuff said.

Thread over.......

I think I`ve satisfactorily answered your OP.

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RE: John F. Kennedy - 8/28/2008 10:21:01 PM   
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Bay of Pigs.

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RE: John F. Kennedy - 8/28/2008 10:32:22 PM   
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Saving his PT boat crew.

Bagging Marilyn Monroe.



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RE: John F. Kennedy - 8/28/2008 10:37:37 PM   
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RE: John F. Kennedy - 8/28/2008 10:51:06 PM   
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Ok, I've heard about enough of this crap.

Why would anyone think that John F Kennedy ranked as "a great President"?

Firm

PS. As a side issue ... anyone else noticed that many the threads that seem to cast Obama in a negative light end up deleted or moved to Polls and Random Stupidity?


He wasn't, he just had a great image.

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RE: John F. Kennedy - 8/28/2008 10:51:47 PM   
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Cuban missle crisis.

Saving his PT boat crew.

Bagging Marilyn Monroe.




Cuban missle crisis. He caused it.

Saving his PT boat crew. Good point. And that made him a "great" President, how, exactly?

Bagging Marilyn Monroe. She was easy.

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