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UR2Badored -> Political Boog-A-Boo (8/29/2008 6:27:35 AM)

As a teenager, I saw the campy Nostradomus documentary-style movie narrated by Orson Welles featured on HBO in the 1980's (The Man Who Saw Tomorrow--1980).  I revisited the video shortly before 2000 and was not impressed and it did not have nearly the impact it had on me in my younger days. It was downright silly.  Nostradomus's quatrains are vague and can be slanted towards any propaganda or  agenda imaginable.  However, though I do not support or condone any current interpretation of his words, it does make for some interesting reading, if only viewed as fictional.  In this case, do not shoot the messager.

According to one source:
The first two antichrists (if we believe that they were Hitler and Napoleon Bonaparte) were no common criminals; they were both charismatic leaders of great nations. They both had millions of followers that believed their words and were prepared to give their lives for the ideas of these leaders.

Mabus is the third anti-christ and is slanted to be a variety of political leaders near and afar including Saddam, Bin Laden, Bush, and now Obama.  World War III, Nostradomus's Time of Trouble is set to begin 2009-2012. 

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Termyn8or -> RE: Political Boog-A-Boo (8/29/2008 8:39:06 AM)

From what I have read, in those times the Quatrains were written, a soothsayer or someone "froth with portent" was in danger of being executed, possibly by burning at the stake. That was purported to be the reason that Nostradamus was cryptic in these writings.

Nostradamus also predicted that after his death, his body would be found and someone would drink from his skull, recieve his knowledge but be killed right away. The documentary I watched (I think on PBS) indicated that it came true, but I don't know whether to believe it or not.

In the (almost) words of my Uncle Glenn, who was a financial genius "Anybody can predict a million things, and if half of them come true, they will only want to talk about those".

Nostradamus apparently called Hitler "Hister", and with the proper interpretation did predict 9/11. If you take the twin towers as "sisters", he did say in the first year of the new millenia, which was not the year 2000, but the year 2001.

He also predicted someone with a turban who would wreak revenge on a city at a certain latitude or longitude, which would be NYC.

This brings us to a whole different aspect though, that it is possible that people make these predictions come true. Now get this, you are a soldier in a war zone, it is kill or be killed. You find a dead body, so instead of shooting, fighting the war you decide to pour your wine or water or whatever into the skeleton's skull and drink out of it. Doesn't sound quite logical to me, in fact it smacks of a self fulfilling prophesy.

Why did they decide on 9/11/01 to attack the WTC ? Is it because 911 is what we use for an emergengy call ? Was it possibly because of the Quatrains ? If it was because of the Quatrains that would indicate that those responsible wanted to see the rest of the predictions (as they interpreted them) to come true. Trying to be part of the plan.

Could it have been that 9/11/01 was the perfect opportunity ? If so, who made it that way ? NORAD was nowhere to be found. If I take a Cessna 172 towards the Whitehouse without a flight plan they know it.

I wouldn't mind seeing a bunch of historians analyse the Quatrains, my knowledge of world history is limited. Hister = Hitler ? Between a few hundred years and thousands of miles, two letters off is not all that bad, but was it really some kind of sixth sense, or just extreme insight and intelligence ?

Any of us can read the news and draw an opinion something like "You know what is going to happen next,.......", it happens all the time. Someone who knows the subject and is very intelligent might make the right predictions, but usually in the short term.

Then we have the likes of John Hagee, who purports to want to see Armageddon. Does he not believe anything but is just out for a buck, or does he think that is going to be a time when we are "reunited" with Christ ?

Although it was years ago, I have read Revelations more than once and I see in the older writings, just like in the Quatrains, it can be interpreted to have almost exactly predicted the future. However there are a few facts to consider, if you shall accept them as facts.

I contend that people used to be smarter than they are today. That applies to me as well. I do not believe that human potential for intelligence has been raised much in the last millenium. These people had to live and work and solve uncountable problems without all of our modern "necessities".

Well they didn't have to learn to drive, program a VCR, use a telephone or use a computer. Their minds were free. Free to think, theorize, and to think through a chain of events that had not happened as of yet. In those times people had a strong sense of cause and effect, unlike today.

I find wisdom in words of old,
In the stories they have told,
Time has gone on it's own way,
To me it's just another day.

Not bad for a two minute poet if I do say so myself, it does express what I mean. The people who wrote things like Revelations and the Quatrains thought ahead. Today most of us do not.

If you had no TV no internet nor anything of the sort, what would you be thinking about ?

Y'know, I can't do it right now because it is almost time to go to work, but you have inspired me to read the Quatrains again, actually the part AFTER the "twin sisters" were destroyed by a sad Man in a turban on the eleventh day of the.... you know what it said. I only want to read what happens afterward. I might read it all just to get the feel back for it, but I am very interested in what comes next.

Think I am going to believe it ? Wrong. Believe me I have a big grain of salt, but I think it would be interesting, and possibly more interesting to see how future history unfolds.

On a tertiary note, that is EXACTLY what I mean about people refusing to read those things with which they disagree. Many REFUSE to read the Turner Diaries, many REFUSE to read the Protocals. Something has to be total drivvel or on a subject in which I have no interest whatsoever before I will refuse to read it. Doing otherwise would be to admit that you fear your beliefs and convictions are not that strong. I refuse to read articles about fashion, bios of Hollywood stars, things like that. I consider it a waste of time.

Of course if some were destined not to get anything out of something of worth, maybe it is a waste of their time. They can read about fashion and the "stars".

Now that I think of it, what I watched long ago probably was on HBO.

T




Owner59 -> RE: Political Boog-A-Boo (8/29/2008 8:49:02 AM)

Obama`s been cleared of the "anti-christ" charge.

It`s here in Snoops.


[;)]

According to Snoops,the anti-chist is gay and part Jewish.

So that knocks out Obama,(AFAWK).

 




UR2Badored -> RE: Political Boog-A-Boo (8/29/2008 10:22:58 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

I wouldn't mind seeing a bunch of historians analyse the Quatrains, my knowledge of world history is limited. Hister = Hitler ? Between a few hundred years and thousands of miles, two letters off is not all that bad, but was it really some kind of sixth sense, or just extreme insight and intelligence ?



It seems these predictions were "visions"; imagine the translation issues from that time to now that come into play.

Asteroids= bombs
Man-Made Mountains= skyscrapers.
comet=nuclear bomb
The later terms had yet to be discovered when the "visions"/predictions occurred....

I've also read where Nostradomus reports of Orleans unraveling (dont have the quatrain handy) and many people assuming it had to do with France until Hurricane Katrina.  It is interesting how his predictions have been interpreted and yes "Hisler: comes to mind as an example.

I agree that it would be interesting to have historians and scholars sit down for interpretations, as admittedly, my knowledge of history is too limited to give an accurate or reliable viewpoint on the matter. Like you Term, I am not necessarilly a believer, but Notradomus's predictions are interesting in how it is interpreted in both futuristic measures and in hindsight, at least to me.




bipolarber -> RE: Political Boog-A-Boo (8/29/2008 11:43:21 AM)

What bullshit. I suppose you think this is all going to occur in 2012, according to the Mayan calander? Or did the "rapture" start 8 years ago as part of Y2K?

Get a grip, man.




popeye1250 -> RE: Political Boog-A-Boo (8/29/2008 11:51:43 AM)

Hmmmm, "MABUS".
"BAMUS"
"BAM-US"
"O-BAM"
"BAM of the US"
"o-BAM of the US"
Interesting! An anagram.

Bipolar, no, Obama won't be elected,.....unless.....***BEALZIBUB*** intervenes!!!




UR2Badored -> RE: Political Boog-A-Boo (8/29/2008 12:37:26 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: bipolarber

What bullshit. I suppose you think this is all going to occur in 2012, according to the Mayan calander? Or did the "rapture" start 8 years ago as part of Y2K?

Get a grip, man.


Get a grip man........lol.  I clearly presented this as "boog-a-boo" and as curiousity not as fact........get over yourself.




thornhappy -> RE: Political Boog-A-Boo (8/29/2008 2:58:01 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

He also predicted someone with a turban who would wreak revenge on a city at a certain latitude or longitude, which would be NYC.
T

Hi T--

How did they determine that some of the writings revealed lat/long?  The prime meridian changed over the ages, until fixed at 1884.

thornhappy




UR2Badored -> RE: Political Boog-A-Boo (8/29/2008 4:08:15 PM)

Thornhappy,
Though I hope "T" chimes in with his perspective, your question made me do a quick google.  It seems there was a 9/11 and Nostradamus urban legend claimed to have started in (Palestine origin?)after 9/11 or at best, even in the 1980's film, extremely controversial in it's interpretation. 

Peace :o)
Urs

UrbanLegend
JBHare Essay
Common Misconceptions Regarding Nostradamus
Nostradamus Quatrains




Termyn8or -> RE: Political Boog-A-Boo (8/29/2008 7:07:24 PM)

Well thorn, I couldn't find out exactly where the prime meridian was when the Quatrains were written. However it would be reasonable to think that he used the Paris meridian. In the modern day, the prime meridian does, however pass through France, so the assumption is fairly valid that it was not that far off. Paris is at only two degrees, nineteen minutes east of the present day prime meridian.

One could purport that between about 450 years, and the fact that Paris and NYC are in the northern hemisphere, that he was not that far off.

What is more the current Gregorian calendar was adopted sixteen years after his death. This was an act of Man, not Nature. How would one predict that ?

I don't really know what I believe, and while I do have an interest in it, I don't really care. It is indeed interesting, but if someone could tell you the exact date of your death, would you want to know ?

Throughout time, Nostradamus was not the only one to lend significance to the year 2012. Many things have been predicted, in the end, we shall see.

T




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