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The RNC opportunity - 8/30/2008 5:08:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		          President Bush is scheduled for Monday at the Republican Convention.  He is NOT an orator.  The date works out nicely, because a lot of people will miss it completely, or be under the calming influences of beer and bbq.  I don't really want to watch, but I will, on the off chance George Bush will say the words that could tip this whole thing to them.  "I should have listened to John McCain."  That much mea culpa could do the trick.

      What are the chances?

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RE: The RNC opportunity - 8/30/2008 5:22:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		May not even happen if the hurricane stays on track. Perfect excuse for Bush to not be at the convention.

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RE: The RNC opportunity - 8/30/2008 5:27:20 PM   
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         President Bush is scheduled for Monday at the Republican Convention.  He is NOT an orator.  The date works out nicely, because a lot of people will miss it completely, or be under the calming influences of beer and bbq.  I don't really want to watch, but I will, on the off chance George Bush will say the words that could tip this whole thing to them.  "I should have listened to John McCain."  That much mea culpa could do the trick.

     What are the chances?

Hard to say. 

Bush is not known for admitting error, but he's in a different role now.  This is the moment for "passing the baton".  Regardless of what happens in November, at 12:01PM on 20 January 2009 he is officially "Former President Bush".

There is one thing that gives me hope for his speech, and that is the assessment Bush had during his 2000 campaign not only of Al Gore but of the Clinton Administration as a whole: "their guide, the nightly polls; their goal, the morning headlines; their legacy, the fruitless search for a legacy." 

If Bush remembers that now is one of the moments where he can shape his legacy, he might stand up, take many or most of the negatives of the Bush Administration onto himself, with phrasings such as "John McCain was right" and "John McCain is right." He has to be careful what he says--saying he should have listened to John McCain on taxes could boomerang on McCain--but a speech acknowledging where McCain's judgement was superior would be a memorable speech indeed.

Things I can see him saying that would not boomerang on McCain:
  • "John McCain was right about spending being out of control"
  • "John McCain was right about the 'surge'."
  • "John McCain was right about the required troops needed initially for Operation Iraqi Freedom."
  • "John McCain is right about serving a cause greater than oneself."



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RE: The RNC opportunity - 8/30/2008 5:39:35 PM   
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Things I can see him saying that would not boomerang on McCain:
  • "John McCain was right about spending being out of control"
  • "John McCain was right about the 'surge'."
  • "John McCain was right about the required troops needed initially for Operation Iraqi Freedom."
  • "John McCain is right about serving a cause greater than oneself."


As important as the legacy is he leaves the party is, I bet that pales in comparison to the personal legacy he wants to leave therefore I'd be surprised if he admitted any of the above. When have you ever seen a politician give credit to another politician for them being wiser on certain issues?

It’s far more likely to be a “I know what man is right to lead our country forward and continue our good work in Eyeraq.” type speeches.
 
Amusing to watch the daggers come out for a man's back that hasn't even left office. Them republican's seem embarrassed by the person they elected

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RE: The RNC opportunity - 8/30/2008 5:52:23 PM   
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.... I don't really want to watch, but I will, on the off chance George Bush will say the words that could tip this whole thing to them.  "I should have listened to John McCain."  That much mea culpa could do the trick.

     What are the chances?


I like that you that you have an earnest hope for the positive with a little bit of dreamer thrown in. *grins*

I think it will be very surprising indeed for Bush to display any true humbleness. IMHO the guy has too big an ego for that. I see him more concerned with how history will view him than attempting to get McCain into office.


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RE: The RNC opportunity - 8/30/2008 5:56:15 PM   
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You speak as though Bush is some kind of aberration in the Republican party.

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RE: The RNC opportunity - 8/30/2008 5:57:17 PM   
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As important as the legacy is he leaves the party is, I bet that pales in comparison to the personal legacy he wants to leave therefore I'd be surprised if he admitted any of the above. When have you ever seen a politician give credit to another politician for them being wiser on certain issues?

If Bush perceives legacy in the manner to which he alluded during his 2000 campaign, these admissions will come easy to him.


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RE: The RNC opportunity - 8/30/2008 6:07:54 PM   
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May not even happen if the hurricane stays on track. Perfect excuse for Bush to not be at the convention.


It would be a good thing for the Republican party if George missed it, by some act of God or nature, because he's such a liability. 

It would be wonderful for everybody else if he attended, and made a speech. The rest of the world hasn't forgotten the comic talent and timely delivery of President Bush.

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RE: The RNC opportunity - 8/30/2008 6:11:26 PM   
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The rest of the world hasn't forgotten the comic talent and timely delivery of President Bush.

Which he used so very well against John Kerry, as I recall....


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RE: The RNC opportunity - 8/30/2008 6:13:16 PM   
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijz1CdUj5fg
 
I don't know what we will be doing for entertainment now, we'll be twiddling our thumbs.

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RE: The RNC opportunity - 8/30/2008 6:37:36 PM   
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And what exactly,......exactly, did McCain say that Bush should have listened to?




Note to cons.The Sunni awakening happened before the "surge".McCain had nothing to do with it.That myth has been debunked.

Could you cons please argue this as if no one believes the neo-con non-reality narrative?

I`ll ask Joe Biden`s question,to the surge/occupier/neo-cons.

What then?

Did the surge bring the various political factions together?

If not,what then?How much longer do our GIs need to die before we realize that they won`t get their act together?The "forever" non-answer won`t cut it. 

Americans are sick and tired of this stupid waste of our men and our treasure.

They don`t want to continue it ,just so republicans don`t look bad.

Final note to cons:Whether you`ve noticed or not,we made a deal to leave Iraq.The "surge" is a moot point.It`s Obama`s policy that`s being implemented.

Yup,in spite of McBombIran`s wishes and hopes,the combat troops are leaving Iraq.

When will McCain and the cons get it?

We`re leaving.

We could leave the neo-cons and McPalin there,though.Wouldn`t that be sweet justice?

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RE: The RNC opportunity - 8/30/2008 6:45:07 PM   
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The rest of the world hasn't forgotten the comic talent and timely delivery of President Bush.

Which he used so very well against John Kerry, as I recall....



Was he talking about 'nucular' something or other  ? How will he say goodbye? Like he did with Gordon Brown and Nicolas Sarkozy after the G8 Summit in Rusutsu this year ("Goodbye from the world's biggest polluter!", as he punched the air in triumph, much to their dismay)?

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RE: The RNC opportunity - 8/30/2008 6:56:43 PM   
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The rest of the world hasn't forgotten the comic talent and timely delivery of President Bush.


I know I haven't. *L* http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mi2kUebJy8

Aside from the fact that none of these people even knew who the Prime Minister of Canada was, (Jean Chrétien and not Jean Poutine), I found it also entertaining that Bush considers Canada "our most important neighbor to the North". Pray tell, what other neighbours to the north does America have? Sure there are the islands of St. Pierre and Miquelon (territories of France) but technically these islands are northeast of the USA and....well come on people, do you think Bush is even aware they exist?

Edited to add: Poutine consists of french fries topped with gravy and cheese curds. Apparently popular in Québec. I know I've never experienced it, but then again, I grew up in Western Canada. :)


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RE: The RNC opportunity - 8/30/2008 6:56:53 PM   
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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

        President Bush is scheduled for Monday at the Republican Convention.  He is NOT an orator.  The date works out nicely, because a lot of people will miss it completely, or be under the calming influences of beer and bbq.  I don't really want to watch, but I will, on the off chance George Bush will say the words that could tip this whole thing to them.  "I should have listened to John McCain."  That much mea culpa could do the trick.

    What are the chances?

Hard to say. 

Bush is not known for admitting error, but he's in a different role now.  This is the moment for "passing the baton".  Regardless of what happens in November, at 12:01PM on 20 January 2009 he is officially "Former President Bush".

There is one thing that gives me hope for his speech, and that is the assessment Bush had during his 2000 campaign not only of Al Gore but of the Clinton Administration as a whole: "their guide, the nightly polls; their goal, the morning headlines; their legacy, the fruitless search for a legacy." 

If Bush remembers that now is one of the moments where he can shape his legacy, he might stand up, take many or most of the negatives of the Bush Administration onto himself, with phrasings such as "John McCain was right" and "John McCain is right." He has to be careful what he says--saying he should have listened to John McCain on taxes could boomerang on McCain--but a speech acknowledging where McCain's judgement was superior would be a memorable speech indeed.

Things I can see him saying that would not boomerang on McCain:
  • "John McCain was right about spending being out of control"
  • "John McCain was right about the 'surge'."
  • "John McCain was right about the required troops needed initially for Operation Iraqi Freedom."
  • "John McCain is right about serving a cause greater than oneself."


CL,you can't for a minute actually imagine any of this happening,this would be the single highwater mark after 8 years of bumbling...All of a sudden this guy develops a deeper understanding of the world around him.Not likely!!!!

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RE: The RNC opportunity - 8/30/2008 7:06:28 PM   
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The best thing that could happen to Obama is for Bush to speak in prime time Monday night.

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RE: The RNC opportunity - 8/30/2008 7:07:03 PM   
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CL,you can't for a minute actually imagine any of this happening,this would be the single highwater mark after 8 years of bumbling...All of a sudden this guy develops a deeper understanding of the world around him.Not likely!!!!

Well, if there actually were 8 years of bumbling, you might possibly potentially have a sliver of a point.

But only a sliver.  Bush need not call his Administration a failure merely to acknowledge errors.  He does not go out as a popular President; it is intuitively obvious that Obama will attempt to join McCain to Bush's unpopularity.  Giving McCain space to move apart and distance himself would be sound strategy at this point.

Of course, acknowledging that George W. Bush is anything other than a mental defective is a heresy that would result in excommunication from the Holy Democratic Church.


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RE: The RNC opportunity - 8/30/2008 7:10:37 PM   
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The best thing that could happen to Obama is for Bush to speak in prime time Monday night.





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RE: The RNC opportunity - 8/30/2008 7:12:59 PM   
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Of course, acknowledging that George W. Bush is anything other than a mental defective is a heresy that would result in excommunication from the Holy Democratic Church.



He's not mentally defective: just very, very average, and very, very thick, and triumphantly and wilfully ignorant. And rich with money he didn't even work for.

A lethal brew, as we know.

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RE: The RNC opportunity - 8/30/2008 7:22:57 PM   
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CL,you can't for a minute actually imagine any of this happening,this would be the single highwater mark after 8 years of bumbling...All of a sudden this guy develops a deeper understanding of the world around him.Not likely!!!!

Well, if there actually were 8 years of bumbling, you might possibly potentially have a sliver of a point.

But only a sliver.  Bush need not call his Administration a failure merely to acknowledge errors.  He does not go out as a popular President; it is intuitively obvious that Obama will attempt to join McCain to Bush's unpopularity.  Giving McCain space to move apart and distance himself would be sound strategy at this point.

Of course, acknowledging that George W. Bush is anything other than a mental defective is a heresy that would result in excommunication from the Holy Democratic Church.

No CL calling his Administration a failure,would merely be aknowledging the truth.What shall we measure "his success" by, 2 failed wars,a trashed economy,plummetting respect from the international community.The codifying and public debate about how much torture constitutes torture?Pray tell me CL what glorious achievement will we hang on/with his effigy.What monuments to this simple man do you suggest we raise(pun intended)

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RE: The RNC opportunity - 8/30/2008 7:25:16 PM   
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<snip> George <snip>



George is misunderstood, and his legacy isn't as bad as the evil democrats would have us believe. And you'd be a fool and a communist to argue against this  .

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