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Metal Collar issues - 11/25/2005 1:26:29 PM

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I own a slave who is required to wear a collar 24/7 she has no problems with leather ones however the original intent was to have a collar on her neck that no one could remove short of cutting off.
She has metal allergy issues but has no problems with Gold, In fact has 2 nipple posts and a triangle of gold.
She did wear a steel collar coated in plastic for approx 3 months, it was too large but had no issues with it.
She recently receaved a "eternity collar" in 24k Gold it is not tight but its not loose either She was able to wear it less then two days before a Rash broke out.
Am not sure if the rash is due to the Gold or an alloy they added to the gold or the tightness of the collar.
Thoughts ?? anyone here had experiance with this issue. ?
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RE: Metal Collar issues - 11/25/2005 2:00:00 PM

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You might want to contact Eternity and ask them what the "specially designed alloy additive" they use during their plating process is.

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RE: Metal Collar issues - 11/25/2005 6:59:21 PM

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if she had no problems with leather perhaps one that has some sort of lock?

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RE: Metal Collar issues - 11/25/2005 10:29:18 PM

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I own a slave who is required to wear a collar 24/7 she has no problems with leather ones however the original intent was to have a collar on her neck that no one could remove short of cutting off.
She has metal allergy issues but has no problems with Gold, In fact has 2 nipple posts and a triangle of gold.
She did wear a steel collar coated in plastic for approx 3 months, it was too large but had no issues with it.
She recently receaved a "eternity collar" in 24k Gold it is not tight but its not loose either She was able to wear it less then two days before a Rash broke out.
Am not sure if the rash is due to the Gold or an alloy they added to the gold or the tightness of the collar.
Thoughts ?? anyone here had experiance with this issue. ?
Phil

She will probably require gold of 18k or higher. I suspect the gold on the Eternity Collar is not pure, or is too thin. Here is one place that makes jewelry quality collars. You could try one of their rings first, to be sure she can wear it. They also do custom work in platinum, which is non-allergenic but very expensive.
http://www.bondagecollars.com/

Another possibility is titanium. It is light yet very difficult to cut, and less expensive than gold. Titanium chain is available. Several artisans also craft chain maile style necklaces of titanium rings

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RE: Metal Collar issues - 11/25/2005 11:50:32 PM

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maybe a steel or other metal on leather collar since she didn't have a problem with just a pure leather collar.

Maybe not the exact model but something similar to this- http://www.extremerestraints.com/stat/st571.html

Maybe you could find one where the metal band was a bit more narrow so less chance of skin contact (if the leather folds or something) and without a large O-Ring like that has so it doesn't have as much chance of resting on skin. You'd get the best of both worlds then, the leather which her skin can deal with and the metal that you want.

Or perhaps something in silver? If I remember correctly silver is supposed to not be allergenic or something but I'd check on that before shelling out the cash for something like that in silver.

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RE: Metal Collar issues - 11/26/2005 12:25:18 AM

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She will probably require gold of 18k or higher. I suspect the gold on the Eternity Collar is not pure, or is too thin.

As the OP stated already, Eternity uses 24 karat (99.8% pure) gold for plating and they use a triple plating process. I'm guessing the gold quality and/or thickness is not the problem. I'm still curious what their mystery alloy additive is. If they're using any nickel to harden the plating, even a tiny amount can cause a reaction in some people.

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Here is one place that makes jewelry quality collars. You could try one of their rings first, to be sure she can wear it. They also do custom work in platinum, which is non-allergenic but very expensive.

Pure platinum is 'hypo-allergenic' but the platinum used for jewelry making is not pure. It has somewhere in the neighborhood of 5% of copper, tungsten, palladuim, cobalt, iridium, ruthenium or some combination of these. By comparison, 24 karat gold is more pure and less likely to cause an allergic reaction.

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RE: Metal Collar issues - 11/26/2005 2:14:14 AM

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I have worn a permanant collar for 15 years it is surgical stainless steel it is 1.5ins wide and .5ins thick and other than the odd bit of rubbing usually in bed if a few strands of hair get trapped between the collar and my neck I have never had any problems.
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RE: Metal Collar issues - 11/26/2005 4:15:52 PM

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Ive worn a similar collar for about 13 years.. also with no issues. But I have known slaves with metal allergies that have even been unable to wear surgical stainless... it is a skin memory reaction just from wearing previous metals.

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RE: Metal Collar issues - 12/1/2005 2:52:21 PM

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She will probably require gold of 18k or higher. I suspect the gold on the Eternity Collar is not pure, or is too thin.

As the OP stated already, Eternity uses 24 karat (99.8% pure) gold for plating and they use a triple plating process. I'm guessing the gold quality and/or thickness is not the problem. I'm still curious what their mystery alloy additive is. If they're using any nickel to harden the plating, even a tiny amount can cause a reaction in some people.

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Here is one place that makes jewelry quality collars. You could try one of their rings first, to be sure she can wear it. They also do custom work in platinum, which is non-allergenic but very expensive.

Pure platinum is 'hypo-allergenic' but the platinum used for jewelry making is not pure. It has somewhere in the neighborhood of 5% of copper, tungsten, palladuim, cobalt, iridium, ruthenium or some combination of these. By comparison, 24 karat gold is more pure and less likely to cause an allergic reaction.

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We already know that she reacted to the gold in the Eternity collar; 24K or not, it is contaminated with something she is allergic to. Nickel is the most common culprit.

Triple plating is generally a reference to a three-layer process, in which steel is first plated with copper, then nickel, and finally a top layer of the desired finish. I suspect that the final gold layer is contaminated with nickel.

18K jewelry gold is usually an alloy of gold, silver, and copper, and generally contains no nickel. She is able to wear gold body jewelry without reaction; this would be one direction to look.

I suggested platinum because it was the solution my mother found, for her wedding rings and earrings, when she was unable to wear 18K gold without a reaction. No idea what the alloy was, but I'm pretty sure it was whatever is normally used for platinum jewelry.

I like the titanium idea best myself, and I found this site that makes titanium collars:
http://www.english.axsmar.com/
They also make titanium rings, so that would make for a fairly inexpensive test.

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RE: Metal Collar issues - 12/3/2005 11:06:57 AM

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You mention that she wore a collar that was 24 karat gold and had a bad reaction. Do you know if the collar was gold filled or gold plated? This makes a difference. Gold filled actually puts a nice thick layer of gold on the jewelry. Gold plating only puts a very thin coat on the piece. Makes a big difference. I would assume that the body jewelry she wears is probably gold filled, whereas the eterntiy collar was not. I have metal allergies too, and can not wear anything that is gold plated at all. Of course, gold filled costs a great deal more than gold plated, because of the much higher gold content. A gold filled eternity collar would cost many hundreds of dollars. Just go to a jewelry store and look at the prices on gold chains. Yes, you can buy a gold chain for less than $100 at WalMart and that chain will be fine for most people. However, a really good gold filled chain will cost several times the cost of a similar gold plated chain.

Another way to go might be titanium. Titanium is often recommended for those with metal allergies. When i buy new frames for my glasses, i always ask to see titanium frames or other frames that have plastic arms.

As others have already stated, it is nickle that is often used with the gold that is the main culprit in metal allergies.

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RE: Metal Collar issues - 12/3/2005 1:29:54 PM

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I have a leather collar and it has a little padlock on the back so I couldn't take it off without cutting it. Master has the key to the padlock on a chain round his neck. I nearly cried when he made me kneel in front of him padlocked my collar on and put the key on his neck chain. I thought it was a beautiful idea. Maybe something like that.

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RE: Metal Collar issues - 12/7/2005 12:04:33 PM

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Try an stainless alloy 316l that is the implant alloy (at least have been told)
Some people try to sell 304 as "surgical stainlees" simply steming from it us in tools and such. Surgical does not mean that it is implantable.
Metal surface finish can also creat problems a ruff finish will harbor bactera and stuff.
Titanum will be spendy try to stay with grade 5.

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RE: Metal Collar issues - 12/7/2005 12:35:39 PM

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316L contains between 10 and 14% nickel. For someone with skin sensitivities, 300 series SS is not the way to go. 430 would be a far better choice.

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RE: Metal Collar issues - 12/12/2005 1:08:12 PM

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Hi, do you wear your collar all the time? my Master puts one on me from time to time but wants to put one on long term which i cant touch. is it really exciting? i'm quite nervous but sort of excited as well. how do you explain it to friends and others who ask?

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