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Questions about Poly - 8/30/2008 10:16:15 PM   
opheliadies


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Hello there. Thank you for reading. I just have some questions, and was wondering if anyone was in a like situation, or had any ideas to help.
I am a domme. I have been in the lifestyle for over a decade now, minus the last 2 years. I have been in a regular vanilla relationship, and am now married to a wonderful man. I do love him, dearly, but I miss the lifestyle. Everything about it calls to me. I have talked to him about this, and altho he doesnt understand the need, the urge, I feel for these things, he states am free to find a sub/slave woman, and if it will make me happy, he will be happy.
So first, would this actually be possible? Can I start a poly hosuehold without ruining my marriage? In some ways I think yes. He is a kind loving giving man, and truely does want me happy. But how do I make him see this is different than what we share?
Second question then, is if this does happen, what rules should we start with? I undersand to each couple their own, but I was wondering if there were other couples and what theirs were.
Third, then, is those of you who have tried this, or live the lifestyle, what happened? What made it work, or not work, in your case?
Thank you all for reading, again. Any advice you give would be greatly appreciated.
 
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RE: Questions about Poly - 8/31/2008 12:19:56 AM   
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This probably should be on the poly board as it might get more attention there. However you're not supposed to cross post, so maybe the Mods will move it over.

It may be possible to find a fem sub for you who will be happy serving you in a household where there is a vanilla husband.
Firstly you would need to decide whether you want a live-in or a visiting sub. You and he would need to clarify what his role would be in regards to Your sub. Does he have any say in decisions concerning her? Does he have sexual access to her (if she was bi for eg)? Does he have the right to ask her to do things for him, fetch things etc? If she became live-in, how will household chores be split up? What about finances? How would you ensure you and he still get private time while allowing for private time between you and her? What relationship would you want between him and her? Just comfortable friends or something more intimate? Or something of a daddy/daughter relationship? Would it be necessary to allow for private time between him and her or not? How would you spend family time? What about special occasions, visiting relatives etc? How would she be included in your household?

I don't think it's impossible, but I would say that planning is everything! Talk about it ... with specific examples where possible ... so that you and he are united when it comes to you starting your search. Good luck!

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RE: Questions about Poly - 8/31/2008 12:43:25 AM   
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Wow, this night just keeps getting weirder and weirder. Let me preface my response to saying that tonight marks the second anniversary of the Burning Man where the attempt at Polyamory my girlfriend and I were trying blew up in my face, leaving me alone in the middle of the desert with her off with another guy. I have spent a lot of time thinking about what advice I could give to those who might ask me about my experience (other than the knee jerk reaction to say 'FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, DON'T RISK IT'.) This is my first attempt at putting my advice into words, so please bare with me.

Polyamory is difficult. Integrating poly into a pre-existing monogamous relationship is one of the biggest challenges that can face a relationship, IMHO. It has the potential to evoke all of the pain, drama and dynamics of an infidelity, but with an added level of madness when things go wrong because the partner that has crossed the other partners boundaries has the very justifiable excuse, 'well you said I could be poly' (trust me, that phrase will echo through the halls if things go wrong, and it won't make anyone happy nor will it fix a thing). After years of slamming my head against hard surfaces trying to seperate the poly baby from the poly bath water (talk about nasty water... ewwwww), I believe that there are four key things to keep in mind to help things not go wrong. The first two things are absolute complete honesty with oneself and one's monogamous partner. I list them as two because both the honesty with one's partner and with oneself are equally important. The very nature of a monogamous relationship ('your with him, he's with you, there is no one else') creates a comfort zone that will often sacrifice honesty for the sake of the stability of the relationship. For example, you may not be as physically attracted to your husband as you once were. The waxing and waining of physical attraction for one another is a normal part of a long term monogamous relationship. Sure, you may not care for the extra pounds your partner put on, but you love them and you're not going to hurt their feelings for something so superficial. When poly is thrown into the mix, making such underlying feelings known is VERY important, no matter how superficial they may seem. Given my example (and, in case you haven't guessed, my example is what happened in my situation), let's say you meet a play partner with whom you have an animalistic spark of attraction. If your husband is unaware of your diminished attraction to him, it is possible he will feel threatened by that new playmate. The subconscious is a strange thing. It is in charge of the mind's gateway to our sense of intuition, but it only thinks in abstracts, so your husband would be getting the signal from inside his mind 'she - him - more than you,' (referring to your physical attraction) and could easily interpret that as you having stronger feelings, or worse, a stronger bond with this new person.

At the same time, you need to ask your husband to take a long, hard look into why he is willing to grant you this opportunity. More often than most people would like to admit, a person's actions in a relationship are motivated by a deep-seeded fear of losing the person they love. Again, in the comfort of a monogamous relationship, this can be masked, and will often lead to a more harmonious relationship (for example: if I was afraid of losing my girlfriend, I would probably be more willing to sacrifice time with the guys or watching the game to do something she wanted to do. Fear aside, I love her and want her to be happy.) The problem is, polyamory is not as simple as not watching a game or suffering through a movie involving lots of tears and travelling pants. There is a GIGANTIC difference in the thought of 'I want my partner to be happy,' and watching the person you've built your life around taking the hand of a stranger and walking away to do God knows what with them, or worse, knowing exactly what they're going to do and it being to late to stop it.

The third thing, which ironically is where the other 2 things collide, is the proper establishment and enforcement of boundaries between the monogamous partner engaging in poly and their poly partners. When faced with the probability of a pleasurable experience, many people will say they're okay with being the 'other person' and will not allow their feelings to get too deep. Some of those people are outright lying and will be looking for an opportunity to gain ground and become your monogamous partner. Many of the remaining people think they can handle it, but end up letting their feelings get too deep. When interviewing candidates, ask specific questions about their previous experience with poly households. Listen to their stories. If it turns out that they have only heard of poly and never practiced it, for the sake of your marriage, find someone with true poly experience, at least until you've gotten some experience yourself. 

Finally, once you have chosen a poly partner remember this : No matter how close you become with them, NEVER, NEVER, EVER share with them intimate details about your monogamous partner and NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, EVER confide in them frustrations or problems you are having with your monogamous relationship or your monogamous partner. Doing either of those things will, at the very best, seriously emotionally injure your monogamous partner and your relationship with him and at the worst, will give your poly partner power over your monogamous relationship. That is soooo not a good thing.

Well, that about sums my advice up. I apologize for its length (and for not being a Mistress, since this is the 'Ask a Mistress' forum). I hope it helps.

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RE: Questions about Poly - 8/31/2008 1:00:28 AM   
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Hon, first of all, it's a pleasure to meet you.

I can tell you that I've done this, and successfully at that.  Please feel free to contact Me anytime you would like with questions that you have.  There are a few of us poly folk here, and I'm sure there are great resources for you.


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RE: Questions about Poly - 8/31/2008 1:20:28 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: opheliadies

Thank you all for reading, again. Any advice you give would be greatly appreciated.
 




The missing part of the equation as I see it, is what is the deal for your husband ? When he gets a hottie piece of totty, what are you going to say then ? Your OP only dealt with what you were getting/wanting.


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RE: Questions about Poly - 8/31/2008 1:37:59 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Paulnz

quote:

ORIGINAL: opheliadies

Thank you all for reading, again. Any advice you give would be greatly appreciated.


The missing part of the equation as I see it, is what is the deal for your husband ? When he gets a hottie piece of totty, what are you going to say then ? Your OP only dealt with what you were getting/wanting.

I agree here. It could even create jealousy and once that seed is planted...it could be the beginning of the end of both realtionships.

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RE: Questions about Poly - 8/31/2008 2:30:01 AM   
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If I may.......

Some of us have certain agreements for a poly household.  It isn't about a hot piece of ass.  It's about family.


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RE: Questions about Poly - 8/31/2008 4:47:45 AM   
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If this doesn't move to the poly board, I definitely recommend that you read carefully some of the threads over there, including ones about vanilla partners.

I'm skeptical and I'm going to suggest that if you do this, do it very carefully and at every step understand that you might have to just stop.

In the best of circumstances, with the best of people, sometimes it just doesn't work.

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RE: Questions about Poly - 8/31/2008 5:39:27 AM   
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My burning question is why he is happy for you to get a female slave but not a male.

That really rings a warning bell. 

The slave's genitals are not as important as the emotional and sexual role he or she is going to have in your life. 

Lots could be said.

I have had spectacularly unsuccessful poly situations where the guy said "get a girl, get a girl" (imagining that was somehow less threatening to the primary relationship) and then became insanely jealous of the bond between the sub girl and myself. 

Similarly sub girls have moved heaven and earth to dislodge the primary male partner and assume alpha position

It might work for you.  It works for lots of couples.  But it is very tricky making it work.


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RE: Questions about Poly - 8/31/2008 6:26:08 AM   
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Apologies for the long post:

OP, if you are going to negotiate a third party into the relationship, work out the parameters:.

Activity permitted

When have you crossed the line from non-sexual to sexual? What did your partner say was OK? What is really OK (despite what your partner said)?

Play without touch (eg humiliation, maid service)?
Touching skin but not genitals eg flogging, rope bondage?
Touching the buttocks eg spanking?
Touching genitals with instruments/gloves 
Touching genitals with skin?
Letting the slave masturbate?
Letting the slave masturbate/orally service the Dom/me?
Kissing?
Good old fashioned intercourse?

And that is the easy part.

Degree of intimacy

Are you playing with a complete stranger, an acquaintance, a platonic friend, someone you lust after or someone you love?

Are you playing in public or private?

Are you clothed, naked or a bit of both?

Emotional infidelity can be much more painful than sexual infidelity. I think I would rather my partner f*cked some slapper on a one night stand than fell in love with a lady whose house he was cleaning and started sharing his life with her instead of me. I *know* which one would be fatal to our relationship.

Time and resources

"Love is not a Pie" as the swingers say, but time is.  And money.  How much time can your new partner have and when?  Will the husband sit home alone on Saturday nights while you go out to play?

And how much of the household money is it OK to spend on your new relationship? 

And who gets to spend special occasions with you without the other one there to intrude? 

Seemingly little things like this can become big issues.

Honest feelings

In theory, there's nothing wrong with playing with other people if your partner knows in advance (who, what, where and - most important - exactly how you feel about that person) and approves.

But in reality IME, things get messy fast. Unexpected jealousy can rear up out of nowhere and rip the relationship apart. Unexpected intimacy can develop with the new play partner - and your primary relationship does not bloom as a result.

Can open relationships work? Maybe. But how?

Here's my theory:

1  First, know thyself.

Why are you doing it? Is there something your partner lacks that you hope to find elsewhere? Are you in constant search of new bodies to play with and your partner isn't enough for you? Are you avoiding commitment/intimacy? Is your partner is pushing you into it?

2  Second, you both need to work out the *real* reason(s) WHY your partner approves.

Some people (women especially) give their partner permission to play elsewhere because they are desperate to please and don't want to lose them. Others think it is really cool and liberated. Others know their partner has a sexual need that sadly they cannot fulfil. Some don't really want you to have a great time with someone else - they want you to procure third parties for them. Others don't care who you play with, because they are sick of you (and hope you will piss off with the new person).

3  Third you need to understand the real reason why the new partner wants to be with you.

Is it really all light hearted fun? Or is he or she secretly hoping to de-throne your current partner and get you all to themself? Or trying to hurt your primary partner?

Too often the "third wheel" in relationships drives a wedge into the primary couple. But you don't work out their real motive until its too late. Sometimes they don't even have that motive - until they fall in love with you. Or you fall in love with them.

Never under-estimate the power of a successful new D/s relationship to utterly destroy your existing relationship (no matter how much all three of you promised eachother that it would be OK).

4  Understand why all three of you want to do it

What is a really healthy, good reason to embark on a poly relationship? That makes all three participants better, happier people?

5  You need to commit to the boundaries and be prepared to regularly re-examine and re-set them as the degree of intimacy grows with the new partner. All three participants need to agree they have the right to call the whole thing off at any time (restoring the primary relationship to monogamy) with no hard feelings. If its not too late.

I have heard lots of people say "if all three of us are scrupulously honest and consent, it will be great".

I would love to hear of examples where it really worked out great for everyone.

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RE: Questions about Poly - 8/31/2008 7:20:58 AM   
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My best piece of advice is for you and your husband to get the book "The Ethical Slut" and read it outloud, together, pausing and discussing things, taking notes. This will probably take you a few weeks to consciously and very purposely work through.

Then you can decide if this is something you are both willing to work at... it will be work for the two of you.

If you decide it is worth the work, then you now on the road to trying a lot of different relationships because it is highly unlikely you will find someone immediately you both can click with and who is willing to do the work required on her end join an existing household. Again this will add a level of complexity to everything because right these are the relationships in your marriage.

You + Husband
You
Husband

Adding a third makes the relationships look like this:

You + Husband
You
Husband
Her
You + Her
Husband + Her
You + Husband + Her

Do not think that just because your husband is vanilla he will not have a relationship with her.. he will even it if is nothing more than housemates or friends.

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RE: Questions about Poly - 8/31/2008 7:45:32 AM   
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...So first, would this actually be possible? Can I start a poly hosuehold without ruining my marriage?


Can it work?  yes,,,,  can you make it work in your situation? Maybe yes.. and then again maybe no.

It is impossible for anyone to tell you if it will work or not in your given situation.... Only you can be the best judge of that and even then you might be wrong.  In the end, you have to live with the consequences.  Which brings to the point of why did you leave the lifestyle in the first place or married a person out of this lifetyle.  Those are you decisions and your consequences and now you are making new choices to try to deal with those consequences from previous choices.

I am married to my slave since 1990 and she has been in my life since 87.  We are poly! and as such we have Kyra in our life since November 2004.  But the key is.. WE are poly.  Are you Both Poly?  and also exactly what kind of poly are you actually looking to have.   Is it more a poly-sexual dynamic or we talking about Poly-amory.  Based on your questions, it seems that your interested in a Poly-amory dynamic with a submissive female, but your husband is might not be of a poly mindset.

quote:


But how do I make him see this is different than what we share?


So often people see love and love another not for who they are as a person... but love them for what they do to and with them.  This is always a problem in new poly-dynamics.  People with these types of mindsets will have to divide up the behaviors in neat little boxes so as not to threaten one relationship because of the actions in another relationship.

In my poly-dynamic... we love the person for who they are.. and not for what they do or we do with them.  For example, this morning the three of us engage in a passionate sexual scene.  We laid half asleep on our sides cuddled up, me to Alandra's back and Kyra to my back.  Kyra began to carass my nipples and before long I was fucking Alandra while I lay there.  The actions that we did to each other was not seen as a lack of love for another.  My fucking Alandra wasn't seen as showing kyra that I loved her less... even though she was the one that carassed me and likely was horny for some action herself. 

Now it might appear to you that your husband loves you for who you are... and maybe he does.  But, it is also possible that he is tolerating this part of you.. hoping that it will be a passing phase.  After all... didn't you leave the lifestyle for him.......... mmmmmmm does that mean you could leave him for the lifestyle then?  I believe you both need to indentify why you love each other.. is it for what you do or for who you are... or maybe a little of both.

In understanding why you love each other.. you can begin to appreciate what actions if any will make one or both of you feel threaten.  It might be you will have to make alot of rules and put alot of behaviors in a neat little box that is reserved for the one person... or it might be that you will have very few rules for that box or it just might be empty.  But for me the secret to your success will be understanding how the two you of you love each other.  There is also a book called the Languages of Love... it might also be of use for you.  It might also help you both to understand how you both communicate and recieve love.

Good luck

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RE: Questions about Poly - 8/31/2008 8:32:46 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: opheliadies

Hello there. Thank you for reading. I just have some questions, and was wondering if anyone was in a like situation, or had any ideas to help.
I am a domme. I have been in the lifestyle for over a decade now, minus the last 2 years. I have been in a regular vanilla relationship, and am now married to a wonderful man. I do love him, dearly, but I miss the lifestyle. Everything about it calls to me. I have talked to him about this, and altho he doesnt understand the need, the urge, I feel for these things, he states am free to find a sub/slave woman, and if it will make me happy, he will be happy.
So first, would this actually be possible? Can I start a poly hosuehold without ruining my marriage? In some ways I think yes. He is a kind loving giving man, and truely does want me happy. But how do I make him see this is different than what we share?
Second question then, is if this does happen, what rules should we start with? I undersand to each couple their own, but I was wondering if there were other couples and what theirs were.
Third, then, is those of you who have tried this, or live the lifestyle, what happened? What made it work, or not work, in your case?
Thank you all for reading, again. Any advice you give would be greatly appreciated.
 
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Ok, aparently I left a few things out.
I seek a woman, because I want a woman. Its not that its more permissable, just what I want.
I posted in the ask a mistress section because, mostly, the poly board is men. I have a regular vanilla life, that I am trying to mix bdsm into. I thought that other mistress' might have easier, or at least more pertinent, answers.
 
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RE: Questions about Poly - 8/31/2008 8:50:55 PM   
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ORIGINAL: opheliadies
I posted in the ask a mistress section because, mostly, the poly board is men.


I've noticed that it seems to be a fairly equal mix of men and women -- and just because you're seeking a woman does NOT mean that a man in a similar relationship can't offer pertinent advice.  Strip away the superficial stuff like gender and you've got a very common situation and very normal questions that can be answered regardless of what's between someone's legs.

There are a few poly dommes in this forum, but the majority of helpful information would probably come from the poly boards (since there are also plenty of those who look down upon/are squicked out by poly practices in this specific forum), although you seem to have gotten quite a bit of helpful advice here.


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