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SilverMark -> Any Ron Paul people wish to tell us about the Anti-Convention? (9/2/2008 9:14:56 PM)

Tonight just miles away from the Republican Convention Ron Paul and about 10,000 of his supporters held there own convention. Who will his supporters vote for? What was the convention about?




Thadius -> RE: Any Ron Paul people wish to tell us about the Anti-Convention? (9/2/2008 9:18:07 PM)

I caught a few speeches today, in between classes.  I am not sure who they will vote for, especially if he isn't on the ballot in many states.  I can't tell what the biggest issue is with many of them, if it is anti-war or anti-spending and anti-taxes.

It was interesting.




DomKen -> RE: Any Ron Paul people wish to tell us about the Anti-Convention? (9/2/2008 9:50:52 PM)

I'm still puzzled that he didn't seek the Libertarian Party nomination. They're on the ballot in most of the nation and may have been able to get on every ballot. A good showing would get them access to federal matching funds and other perks reaserved for parties that get above a certain threshold in percentage of votes cast. Barr isn't likely to do anything and while Paul wasn't either he might have broken that magic number, 10% IIRC.




Thadius -> RE: Any Ron Paul people wish to tell us about the Anti-Convention? (9/2/2008 9:52:11 PM)

I think alot has to do with when the Libertarian party held its nomination.




Termyn8or -> RE: Any Ron Paul people wish to tell us about the Anti-Convention? (9/2/2008 11:02:54 PM)

Ron Paul, where have I heard that name before ?

I read his articles in the AFP almost regularly, and haven't found one yet which I dislike. He is a staunch Constitutionalist and for shrinking govenment out of peoples' lives, for secure broders and non intervention in foreign lands. So far so good.

For lower taxation rates and actually eliminating income taxes as we know them, but at the same time, restoring the value of our currency with the ultimate goal of returning to a sound currency, actually backed by something. Again so far so good.

These ideas sound great, but I see little chance of them proving practical in reality, especially simultaneously. I do like the ideas thusfar, but I have little to no confidence in their success.

Then we have the unknowns. I am not sure just where he stands on the death penalty, or a few other matters that I actually consider tertiary. He would not be able to make law overnight, even from the big chair.

I am not sure where he stands on Gay/Lesbian marriage, or union if that is more pallatable. What he says would only affect Federal employees, MAYBE. He can't change all that much with the stroke of a pen, even with the Emergency War Powers Act still in place, nobody with a double digit IQ or higher would misuse the priveledge of Executive Order in certain ways.

Where Ron Paul and I differ is on the subject of abortion. I probably agree with ninety something percent of everything else, but I am almost diametrically opposed to his position on that one issue.

That does not mean I would not vote for him. [wanna git scared ? By EO the President can put military personell in every hospital and around every abortion clinic and have orders to prevent abortions by any means necessary. Now that would be a hoot because he would have to pull them out of other countries, now the wheels are turning] No one would do that.

And to the anti-abortionists, get in line because I have questions. Perhaps there is a moral superiority here that I just can't detect.

How many kids have YOU adopted ?

And if you are not adopting them all, by what method would you like us to dispose of them. We can let nature take it's course and they can starve, or if you prefer a quick death we can put them out on the ice/in the ocean/in the barbeque. Take your pick. The people cannot take care of them, so it is up to you.

Just let me see some people protesting at an abortion clinic, in truth, unless I am feeling good that day, I might just forget about it. I've learned from CM that it can be hard to convince people of something when they have a rational viewpoint. Sometimes I just don't feel like fucking around with someone who has an irrational viewpoint.

Ron Paul, as good as he is, would not make it in the Libertarian party.

Anyway, the purpose of this rally, though it be large, that's all it is, I can only figure out a few things about that. Given the facts I know, I think he wants to find a protege. I think he knows he is not going to win in 08 and in 12 he will really be too old. I think he wants to find, among his most firmly convicted supporters, someone to start grooming for the big chair.

Someone younger, someone who can speak well, someone who has what it takes. That is what I think.

Personally, my "racist" white ass is voting for Obama. Believe me I don't like him much. Not much at all. He sounded real good at first and then....... well that is how it goes. I would probably vote for Chris Rock (a comedian) to keep McCain out of the big chair. If Ron Paul was on the ticket in any meaningful way, of course, but we have the choices we have.

When we are in this situation, change is good.

T

Edited to remove the letter "G" from the word "have". Just didn't look right I tellya.




Vendaval -> RE: Any Ron Paul people wish to tell us about the Anti-Convention? (9/2/2008 11:12:28 PM)

"Thousands gather for Ron Paul rally in Minneapolis"
By SUZANNE GAMBOA , Associated Press
Last update: September 2, 2008 - 9:32 PM

"MINNEAPOLIS - Libertarian-leaning Ron Paul told thousands of supporters at a protest convention Tuesday that true patriots support "liberty and the people," not what the government wants.

Paul, who sought the Republican presidential nomination this year, was the highlight of the Rally for the Republic promoting Paul's political views about limited government. The rally also served as an alternative to the GOP convention being held in nearby St. Paul, Minn., where Arizona Sen. John McCain was accepting the party's presidential nomination in a speech Thursday night."

http://www.startribune.com/politics/national/conventions/27790459.html?elr=KArks8c7PaP3E77K_3c::D3aDhUec7PaP3E77K_0c::D3aDhUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aUU




OneMoreWaste -> RE: Any Ron Paul people wish to tell us about the Anti-Convention? (9/3/2008 4:19:05 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: DomKen
I'm still puzzled that he didn't seek the Libertarian Party nomination. They're on the ballot in most of the nation and may have been able to get on every ballot. A good showing would get them access to federal matching funds and other perks reaserved for parties that get above a certain threshold in percentage of votes cast. Barr isn't likely to do anything and while Paul wasn't either he might have broken that magic number, 10% IIRC.


Well, the move made sense early in his campaign, before the Republican primaries. The "two party system" is ridiculously well-entrenched; although I vote Libertarian in every election I can, I don't expect them to win the Presidential race without having put a single person in Congress. If RP ran as a Lib, IMO, he would have marginalized himself as a "fringe" candidate like Ralph Nader, Lyndon LaRouche, et al. Winning the LP nomination would have gotten some more media exposure, but probably ended his chances of a successful run in future races. If he had won the Republican nomination, he would probably have been elected President.

What he's doing at this point, holding rallies with no chance of being on the ballot with any party... I have no idea. Maybe he just has an obligation to burn through his remaining campaign fund monies.




SilverMark -> RE: Any Ron Paul people wish to tell us about the Anti-Convention? (9/3/2008 5:26:45 AM)

I have always thought RonPaul was pretty much a single issue candidate...that being the "Fair Tax" of course living in the land of Neal Bortz I hear a lot of the "Fair Tax" talk. Is Ron Paul significantly different than others on other issues?




Termyn8or -> RE: Any Ron Paul people wish to tell us about the Anti-Convention? (9/3/2008 5:58:09 AM)

Silv, more than you can imagine. Think of the US government halved in size. He would probably like to see it in the first hundred days. Much as I hate to admit it, people are not ready for Ron Paul.

T




OneMoreWaste -> RE: Any Ron Paul people wish to tell us about the Anti-Convention? (9/3/2008 6:24:35 AM)

Duh, one other item I forgot (morning posting)- Paul and the LP disagree about immigration- Paul favors closing the borders, a strict libertarian (small L) favors opening them.

Not to say the LP wouldn't have taken him- hell, they took Barr, and he's really a Constitutionalist with a lot less "buzz" than Paul- but if he'd gone third-party, he'd be lucky to get invited to any broadcast debates, certainly not any televised ones. He decided to shoot the moon, and missed, sadly.

And as Termy said, Paul differs a LOT from the standard republicrat party line- if you're interested in politics, he's definitely worth a look.




pahunkboy -> RE: Any Ron Paul people wish to tell us about the Anti-Convention? (9/3/2008 6:33:53 AM)

http://c-span.org/Watch/C-SPAN_wm.aspx    click on rally for the republic.   It was broadcast live on c-span 2.   there you will find an hour and 8 minutes of HIS WORDS.   not a reporters.

he says abortions up to the states as in states rights -is   ANTI GLOBALIST.

if you are truly interested,  take a listen.




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