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DomKen -> RE: A funny look at hypocrisy (9/5/2008 11:14:01 AM)

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ORIGINAL: corysub

The world is going to hell in a handbasket, and peoples lives consist of demeaning comments on the parents of two teenagers who either did not practice safe sex, or didn't know how to use a condom.  We are talking about
young people still a few years away from the maturity (hopefully) of adulthood.

You seem perilously close to seeing the point here. Investigate Sarah Palin's opinion on sex ed and maybe you might see what the issue is.

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I don't recall the "funny" banter on Colbert or the other comic about John Edwards, a "full grown" male, lawyer,
and presidential candidate who cheated in Beverly Hills while his wife was enduring the pangs of cancer.  What
a man!  Where was Colbert, Stewart, Matthew, Ubarman on this story?  It had to be broken by a tabloid, but
they are all over a seventeen year old kid...Coonan O'brian also tried last night and the"joke" fell flat.  Children
should be out of bounds for both parties, for adult discussions.

You didn't see jokes about Edwards? Do you watch the Daily Show or the Colbert Report?

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Clinton was getting BJ's in the Oval Office and we were told to "hush"...it was a private matter!  Trent Lott said
a nice thing about an old man at a birthday party who was no more KKK than the Senior Senator from Virginia.
Yet..Lott war beaten up in the lib media and on the Hill and was made to resign his position.  People are tired of
this "double liberal standard"... It gives republicans hope that this November could really be historic as the Republican Party comes back like Phoenix from the ashes...

I'm missing the connection between Clinton cheating on his wife, a completely private matter, and Trent Lott saying America would have been better off with a racist President instead of Truman in 1948.




Thadius -> RE: A funny look at hypocrisy (9/5/2008 11:14:15 AM)

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ORIGINAL: happypervert

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ORIGINAL: Thadius

As far as I can reason it, the Palin daughter is not being presented as a role model, or used to sell product to the tween female demographic...  So there is a huge difference.


LOL! This is some of the most twisted reasoning I've seen -- it's like anyone would consider the Spears family as suitable role models, while the presidential or VP families are not looked up to as role models. It's ridiculous.

Ok, so maybe Spears markets crappy music to young girls, but I'd imagine that's about it now because I can't see any merchandiser wanting to pay money associate their products with them. But don't kid yourself that Palin won't market herself as a candidate by trotting out her adorable family at every opportunity, and I'd say marketing a candidate goes well beyond the teeny bopper demographic.




Were the Spears girls, presented as role models for the younger demographic?  Isn't their entire business based on getting that demograpic to buy products and merchandise?  I am not saying one is better or worse than the other, just that there is a difference between the 2 cases.




kittinSol -> RE: A funny look at hypocrisy (9/5/2008 11:17:08 AM)

Here's the really twisted bit: Palin and her daughter may have been fodder to rumour mongering, but the Republican spin machine quickly turned it into a 'poor normal family facing difficulties, look at how wonderful they are' spin. EVERYTHING is game, for the whores of PR, and Palin knew was fully aware of that when she accepted this job.

This PR spin trying to make Palin and her family martyrs to any kind of cause whilst portraying the media and 'the left' as evil, wicked slanderers, is opportunistic, cynical, and calculating. It just pisses Republicans off that people aren't falling for it [:D] .




LaTigresse -> RE: A funny look at hypocrisy (9/5/2008 11:21:20 AM)

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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

First, if Britney and her sis have been promoted as any kind of role model, your grievance should lie with the Disney corporation, who I think, employed them and used their image to sell their products; secondly, Palin's daugher is being used to sell a political message and to buy off an election, so you should take your grievance with the executive branch of the GOP.

Which one's worse? They're both pretty gross, but I reckon the second case is by far the stinkiest.


Exactly!

AND, if an adult is going to run for political office in this country........unless they are idiots and have been hanging about in the wilderness with their head up a bear's ass.........they have to know that EVERYthing and EVERYone in their lives will be publicly scrutinized, made fun of, critisized, etc.. If they don't get that, they are too effing stupid to be in public office. Especially as a VP of this country.

I am sorry, but Sarah Palin and her family will get everything you can imagine thrown at them and they had better shut up, smile, and take it. If they can't take it, then they need to crawl their asses back to Alaska.

I would expect nothing different where I to run.




FirmhandKY -> RE: A funny look at hypocrisy (9/5/2008 11:22:34 AM)

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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

Here's the really twisted bit: Palin and her daughter may have been fodder to rumour mongering, but the Republican spin machine quickly turned it into a 'poor normal family facing difficulties, look at how wonderful they are' spin. EVERYTHING is game, for the whores of PR, and Palin knew was fully aware of that when she accepted this job.

This PR spin trying to make Palin and her family martyrs to any kind of cause whilst portraying the media and 'the left' as evil, wicked slanderers, is opportunistic, cynical, and calculating. It just pisses Republicans off that people aren't falling for it [:D] .


You must be really frightened of Palin and the pending loss of the election by the Democrats.

You've come out of your "nice girl with tiny claws" shell to a full blown she-panther on the war-path (with blood on her fangs no less!). [:)]

Fear often causes that reaction.

I have no doubt you recognize - even if you won't admit it here, or even to yourself - that Palin and her family are MAJOR trouble to your side.

Best of luck.

Firm

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FirmhandKY -> RE: A funny look at hypocrisy (9/5/2008 11:24:02 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

First, if Britney and her sis have been promoted as any kind of role model, your grievance should lie with the Disney corporation, who I think, employed them and used their image to sell their products; secondly, Palin's daugher is being used to sell a political message and to buy off an election, so you should take your grievance with the executive branch of the GOP.

Which one's worse? They're both pretty gross, but I reckon the second case is by far the stinkiest.


Exactly!

AND, if an adult is going to run for political office in this country........unless they are idiots and have been hanging about in the wilderness with their head up a bear's ass.........they have to know that EVERYthing and EVERYone in their lives will be publicly scrutinized, made fun of, critisized, etc.. If they don't get that, they are too effing stupid to be in public office. Especially as a VP of this country.

I am sorry, but Sarah Palin and her family will get everything you can imagine thrown at them and they had better shut up, smile, and take it. If they can't take it, then they need to crawl their asses back to Alaska.

I would expect nothing different where I to run.



Darn. Big cats hunt in packs, too? [:D]

Firm




LaTigresse -> RE: A funny look at hypocrisy (9/5/2008 11:35:47 AM)

No, I feel that way about anyone that has voluntarily sought the limelight. Whether it be in politics or the entertainment industry. I would say the same thing if this thread was about Hillary Clinton, whom I supported in her run for president.

Basically I feel that if you cannot take the heat, you'd better get your pansy ass out of the kitchen.




kittinSol -> RE: A funny look at hypocrisy (9/5/2008 11:38:36 AM)

More ad hominem attacks, just because you don't agree with what someone says (or because you don't like their delivery, or you just plain don't like them, or any of these combinations)? They fool nobody. Political savvy has trickled everywhere, and people are far more apt at reading parties' agendas than they used to be. That's one of the beauties of the information age: it annoys you, because it means that manipulations and lies don't go down as easily as they used to.

I don't have a side, except perhaps this one: the people in power today abused this power, and used it for their own benefit, oblivious to the needs and wants of those they're supposed to serve. The bastards have to go :-) .

As for hunting in packs... if it means I get to hunt with Tigresse, I might even agree to carry a gun :-).




LaTigresse -> RE: A funny look at hypocrisy (9/5/2008 11:39:53 AM)

I shall get out the water pistols. You wear that thin white t-shirt. It will be a grand hunting party.




kittinSol -> RE: A funny look at hypocrisy (9/5/2008 11:47:51 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

I shall get out the water pistols. You wear that thin white t-shirt. It will be a grand hunting party.


Yay [8D] ! (But no shark hunt, please.)




Vendaval -> RE: A funny look at hypocrisy (9/5/2008 11:48:05 AM)

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As I have mentioned before here, politicians are another type of product subject to all the uses, misuses and abuses of the being on the world stage and being blinded like deer by the glare in the spotlight.  Their image includes their families and that whole package is being pandered to the masses whilst competing with the latest football games, TV shows and other forms of entertainment.
What is salacious and sensationalist sells people!
 
Anyone stepping into that spotlight needs to be aware of this before they put themselves out there.  How many politicians have been caught with their pants down, dick in someone or something other than their wife (wives?), wearing women's lingere, their hand in the cookie jar, snorting some blow, cozing up to crooks, Ad infinitum.
 
Signed,
 
Cynicism




L8bloomer -> RE: A funny look at hypocrisy (9/6/2008 1:05:37 AM)

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ORIGINAL: housesub4you

Well one big difference is;  1 is the child of the GOP VP pick who is 17 and with child, and the other is the child of bad parents who are not involved in thier childs life, because she is 17 and with child.

So the difference's are very clear. 


Well it seems to me that parenting wasn't exactly stellar in either case. If it were, neither would be pregnant. So the differences are not as clear as you seem to believe.

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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

In other words, Spears mother set her up for failure, while Palin's mother did her best to prevent the failure.



How did Bristol Palin's mother do her best to prevent the failure? We have no idea what went on (or didn't) in that household to prevent "the failure".

I still don't see the difference. At risk of sounding like a broken record, both under the age of majority, both unwed, both pregnant. There are zero differences there.

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ORIGINAL: RealityLicks

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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY
premartial sex


Hm.  That's given me an idea...


*snort* *laughs*



Apologies to the OP for going off on a tangent here.





bipolarber -> RE: A funny look at hypocrisy (9/6/2008 8:04:58 AM)

Just to drag this thread, kicking and screaming, back to the OP's intent:

Did anyone catch the Friday "special edition" to the Daily Show? They had a great bit made up of cross cut video between Bush's acceptance speech, and McCains...





Owner59 -> RE: A funny look at hypocrisy (9/6/2008 8:09:56 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Thadius

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ORIGINAL: KatyLied

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1. The Palin daughter's pregnancy and the Spears pregnancies are two different issues, in two different environments, and I find the differences in comments and reactions valid.


You are joking, right?
The only difference is one family is in entertainment, the other in politics, that's a small difference, those two fields are closely related, especially for the next 2 months.



As far as I can reason it, the Palin daughter is not being presented as a role model, or used to sell product to the tween female demographic...  So there is a huge difference.






Well you gotta go through a lot of disclaimers and caveats to get there, Thad.

Not sure the general voting public has the attention span to think into it that deeply.

Personally,I can`t think of one single time where a conservative had something positive to say about unmarried prego moms, of any age.

Anyone?

These attitude change by conservatives is nothing short of revolutionary.

Quite remarkable.The shift is tectonic in size and depth.

Who knew Palin would turn the culture war on it`s head single handed and neuter one of it`s main components?

Liberals don`t have issues with Palin`s family.

They(like most people) have issues with double standards,hypocrisy and flip flops(real ones). and conservatives trying to have it both ways.

That clip shows why The Daily Show is so influential .To the chagrin and envy of conservatives.

What ever happened to Fox`s comic answer to the Daily Show?They tried to put a conservative comedy show together to compete,but it kinda poofed.

The real news about conservatives is quite enough for comedy gold.




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