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KardynylSynysTyr -> We Tend to Forget Our Martyrs ... (9/5/2008 6:29:50 PM)

Recently, I took someone to task over their idea that an SM-focused "Pride Parade" would be a "good idea". Naturally, Your Humble Narrator took the position that this notion was, indeed, a poor one ...

... but I give credit to the original gentleman who posted the thought. He has made me think ... and remember ... and I commend him for having the kohonees to suggest it in the first place ...

I have been fortunate enough to have been blessed with sixteen, mostly-wonderful years serving one of our world's preeminent dominant-female icons. If it wasn't for the woman I devoted the better part of my younger years to, and her efforts championing the rights and the very legalities of gays and lesbians (especially the transgendered) to open expression and without fear of recrimination and prosecution, the very debate about whether to even HOLD parades in the first place would be moot.

Most men don't get sixteen continuous HOURS of being fortunate enough to serve a Dominant Lady, let alone sixteen YEARS. I have always regarded myself as exceptionally fortunate in that regard ...

... even though the icon I devoted my life to hasn't walked this Earth since 1991. If I never have the chance to kneel before another true woman of power (and at this stage that simply isn't likely), at the very least I have those wonderful years to remember. There are so very many memories that come from that time ...

I had a lovely lunch with a friend today, a woman that I respect and truly adore with (almost) as much devotion as my late Mistress. We were discussing the "Old World", which I fiercely champion and fervently defend at every turn, and the natural evolution to the "New World" insofar as SM is concerned ... the discussion started around my open contempt for this "pride parade" idea, and she managed to give me pause with a single, stern look and a well-placed word:

Why, she asked me, don't you let people KNOW, then, about the "Old World" and just why I'm so passionate about preserving the memory of Fetishists Past ...

Like everything else we tend to hold so dear, there is a degree of exclusive protectionism I think we all tend to exhibit when it comes to personal experience - especially when being related to a larger, more "general", population of practitioners ...

I can start, perhaps, by sharing a part of our collective past by telling people about a man whose demise literally changed the way I felt about an entire community of people.

San Francisco City Supervisor Harvey Milk was the first openly gay figure ever - and I mean EVER - elected to so high a public office. What I remember about Harvey Milk, sadly, isn't really too detailed or too colourful. I recall that his biggest contribution to San Francisco City ordinance was the passing of a law (which other major metropolitan centres have all picked up on and imposed, I might add) which made it mandatory for dog owners to have to scoop up their doggie-droppings from public property when taking Good Old Fluffy for their daily walk. I won't get into a detailed biography of Harvey Milk's life: there are online resources that extol his efforts to raise awareness for not only the gay and lesbian communities in San Francisco, but for the entire "alternative" collective that called the Bay Area home in the 1970's and 1980's.

What I wish to call attention to ... is the aftermath following his assassination by a coward named Dan White.

I freely admit that during my formative, teenage years living with my Lady, that I was homophobic. My Mistress was one of the very first public figures to openly not only embrace, but counsel the transgendered. A world-famous author, for instance, (prior to her becoming universally famous) was a frequent guest in our home - and having been born a hermaphrodite, this author was the subject of discrimination and discomfort amongst her fellow classmates at the University of California-Berkeley. The gender dysphoric always had a welcome sanctuary at the Chateau - and I openly admit I was deeply uncomfortable with their presence ... My Lady always tried to get me to accept all of them when they came for a visit: gays, lesbians, transgendered, whoever - but I simply wasn't tolerant (let alone willing to be understanding) of their very existence ...

... Until the night of November 27th, 1978. Earlier that day, Harvey Milk and San Francisco Mayor George Moscone were gunned down by a homophobic, somewhat paranoid recently-resigned fellow Supervisor named Dan White (it was the murder trial of Dan White that led to the infamous "Twinkie Defense" strategy, where a dependence on junk food was cited as a contributing factor to a defendant's mental state in the commission of a crime). I don't remember where I was, or what I was doing when I heard the news that my Lady's friend, Harvey Milk, was dead.

I do remember, with complete clarity, the masses of people that piled into the street that night, though, armed only with candles, tears and a collective voice. That night changed my life - and the way I felt about anyone who was "different".

Gay men ... lesbian women ... leather folk ... transgendered men and women ... and yes, even the vanilla ... marched in an outpouring of grief the likes of which I have never seen since. I still believe Harvey's death - as a martyr, no less - and the events immediately following are the biggest reasons why communities throughout North America can march in peace and with a united purpose, and a still-collective voice. That night was the first time I ever realized that we are a united front, those of us who choose to live by a different code and a different countenance. I realized for the first time that I was simply no better - or worse - than anyone else who chose to live life in a different capacity. We were all in this "struggle" together: Harvey called it the "LGBT Community" and that night I felt truly a part of it for the first time.

I have cried many times in Harvey's memory remembering that night (including at lunch today), and I doubt any future event will have such a shaping influence on my perception and opinion of any other identifiable group, or culture, of people ... I cry because I wish I'd have appreciated his untiring fight to bring equality and fairness to all alternative people, his efforts on all our behalf, during the time he was alive. I cry because it's only his death that woke me up to the reality that we're all in this "struggle" together ...


The other defining memory took place a few months later, in May 1979, when Dan White was sentenced to a mere seven years "plus time served" WITH PAROLE for the premeditated murder of Harvey Milk and Mayor Moscone (thanks in large part to the judge's controversial acceptance of the Diminished Capacity "Twinkie Defense" argument). I remember the at-first peaceful demonstrations that took place that day, and I remember the building, burning anger that permeated the city throughout the day that, sadly, culminated in clashes with the police force and ultimately in violence. The White Night Riots are burned in my memory because it wasn't just the people who committed the various acts of violence: the police themselves, hours after the initial crowds had been dispersed, marched en mass into several "alternative owned" businesses, restaurants and bars and proceeded to systematically destroy everything in their path. I was shocked into the realization that the "struggle" cannot ever end: we cannot let Harvey's voice fall forever silent if we all desire such freedom of expression in the years to come.

I am not gay. I am not transgendered. Being born as a charter member of the "Why?" Chromosome, I certainly can't claim to be a lesbian - even though we share the common practice of kissing women for pleasure. What I am, though, is someone who will defend the gay, lesbian and transgendered communities and their right to live and right to freedom of expression to my last, dying breath. Not because Harvey Milk managed to pass a pooper-scooper law in San Francisco, but because of what I saw in an outpouring of pure love for his fight to bring equality to all alternative-minded people following his untimely death. I've yet to see a more convincing display of true "community" since that candlelit vigil, nearly thirty years ago ...

The Pride Parades that gather so very, very many people all owe their very existence to that march. Our right to express ourselves so openly can be traced back directly to that cold, anguished night in San Francisco when a million people crowded Castro Street and collectively said, "no more" to ignorance, recrimination and discrimination.

If we don't pay homage to where we came from, our past, it is impossible to fully appreciate our future. Harvey Milk's death changed my life. We owe our current freedoms, our current right to express ourselves so openly, to all those who marched in his memory on the night of November 27th, 1978. I hope he never fades into the simple pages of history, and I hope the fight he undertook is never considered to be in vain. Let's try and remember Harvey Milk - and others, for that matter - who took a bullet standing up for the freedoms of countless millions the next time we march in "pride."

Kardynyl SynysTyr

"... You gotta give'm hope ...!" ~ Harvey Milk

"... If a bullet should enter my brain, let that bullet destroy every closet door ..." ~ Harvey Milk




beargonewild -> RE: We Tend to Forget Our Martyrs ... (9/5/2008 7:42:20 PM)

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ORIGINAL: KardynylSynysTyr

If we don't pay homage to where we came from, our past, it is impossible to fully appreciate our future. Harvey Milk's death changed my life. We owe our current freedoms, our current right to express ourselves so openly, to all those who marched in his memory on the night of November 27th, 1978. I hope he never fades into the simple pages of history, and I hope the fight he undertook is never considered to be in vain. Let's try and remember Harvey Milk - and others, for that matter - who took a bullet standing up for the freedoms of countless millions the next time we march in "pride."

Kardynyl SynysTyr

"... You gotta give'm hope ...!" ~ Harvey Milk

"... If a bullet should enter my brain, let that bullet destroy every closet door ..." ~ Harvey Milk


Yet don't forget all the people in the LGBT community in other communities who also remember and honor what strides were made in the past. It is also the lone person who in many other ways that pay homage to the martyrs in the not so obvious ways.
Me and my kind do so each time we walk in a Gay Pride march to continually show our solidarity in a sometimes hostile environment. We pay homage by stepping to the forefront and being a voice of equality for the ones who aren't secure and confident enough to do so themselves. We are quite willing to bear the brunt of slander and prejudice and then give tolerance and education in return to those who are close minded.
  I remember the past by proudly wearing the rainbow colors for all to see. It is fine to be part of a candlelight vigil when a known person is slain because of their beliefs, yet it is also the small things the individual does in their everyday life which is important also. Granted it's not sensational nor is it news worthy in most cases but it is still one small step to conquer that mountain. What someone like myself does now is forging towards a better future for the next generation and future generations of the LGBT community.




stella41b -> RE: We Tend to Forget Our Martyrs ... (9/5/2008 11:50:14 PM)

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ORIGINAL: beargonewild

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ORIGINAL: KardynylSynysTyr

If we don't pay homage to where we came from, our past, it is impossible to fully appreciate our future. Harvey Milk's death changed my life. We owe our current freedoms, our current right to express ourselves so openly, to all those who marched in his memory on the night of November 27th, 1978. I hope he never fades into the simple pages of history, and I hope the fight he undertook is never considered to be in vain. Let's try and remember Harvey Milk - and others, for that matter - who took a bullet standing up for the freedoms of countless millions the next time we march in "pride."

Kardynyl SynysTyr

"... You gotta give'm hope ...!" ~ Harvey Milk

"... If a bullet should enter my brain, let that bullet destroy every closet door ..." ~ Harvey Milk


Yet don't forget all the people in the LGBT community in other communities who also remember and honor what strides were made in the past. It is also the lone person who in many other ways that pay homage to the martyrs in the not so obvious ways.
Me and my kind do so each time we walk in a Gay Pride march to continually show our solidarity in a sometimes hostile environment. We pay homage by stepping to the forefront and being a voice of equality for the ones who aren't secure and confident enough to do so themselves. We are quite willing to bear the brunt of slander and prejudice and then give tolerance and education in return to those who are close minded.
I remember the past by proudly wearing the rainbow colors for all to see. It is fine to be part of a candlelight vigil when a known person is slain because of their beliefs, yet it is also the small things the individual does in their everyday life which is important also. Granted it's not sensational nor is it news worthy in most cases but it is still one small step to conquer that mountain. What someone like myself does now is forging towards a better future for the next generation and future generations of the LGBT community.



Bear, you just about took the words right out of my mouth. I have nothing further to add. Bear wrote it better.

ETA: additional thoughts.




subswalow -> RE: We Tend to Forget Our Martyrs ... (9/6/2008 1:38:57 AM)

Bear: You rock.

People like you are the reason people like me felt safe coming out in highschool.

Thank you.

-
b i r d




Sunnyfey -> RE: We Tend to Forget Our Martyrs ... (9/6/2008 3:27:57 AM)

Too bad we cant saint our martyrs. No really, these are the people who deserve it.




stella41b -> RE: We Tend to Forget Our Martyrs ... (9/6/2008 6:07:45 AM)

But then again some of us have to take a stand and struggle for the right just to be ourselves in the eyes of others and through this make things better for others.

I support Pride just as much as I have supported Equality in Eastern Europe, but I personally refuse to fly the rainbow flag. That flag in itself is stigma, and why should I need to carry such stigma?

Why cannot people just accept me for me just as I accept them for them? This is my dream, a dream I am living and working to achieve.

If my death would make that dream reality then so be it. I am not afraid to die. I am more afraid of becoming a symbol to others who forget the message I am giving to others. I personally would much rather be forgotten if it meant that others didn't have to experience the fear, hatred and prejudice that not just me but everybody else faces in their every day lives. This isn't about me, but about everybody.

If you look at black history you will find those who remember Marcus Garvey and Martin Luther King. It's not that we forget, for such people are remembered and even honoured.

We have shown that we can remember, but when are we going to finally learn?




candystripper -> RE: We Tend to Forget Our Martyrs ... (9/6/2008 7:07:00 AM)

Thank you for the Op.  I remember the City Hall shootings, though I was only vaugely aware of the sexual identity of Harvery Milk...I really doubt I could have named any of the defendants or victims.
 
What I do recall is the rather strenous debate among us, as starry-eyed lawyers, as to whether it was ethical to raise such specious defenses as the 'Twinkie Defense' under the 'viguourous defense of a client'; or whether as 'officers of the court' we owed it to society to look beyond the consequences of a single trial to the effect on society as a whole.
 
I am deeply disturbed to learn the 'Twinkie Defense' was raised at sentencing and successfully allowed the defendant to avoid the minimum for murder.  I knew only that the jury had found the defendant guilty -- and many of my breathern therefore felt these 'exuse defenses' did society no harm.
 
Yet they do.  In the 1960's, the Menedez Borthers -- on trial for one of the most shocking cases of matricide and patricide on record -- could never have raised the 'abuse excuse'; yet they hung the first jury with it.
 
Harm is done when we take positions which serve our immediate interests and ignore the back-blow on people already marginalized.
 
I look forward to meeting many more people here of great insight and wisdom, and welcome all, regardless of orientation. 
 
candystripper  [sm=pole.gif]




KnightofMists -> RE: We Tend to Forget Our Martyrs ... (9/6/2008 8:56:17 AM)

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Granted it's not sensational nor is it news worthy in most cases but it is still one small step to conquer that mountain.


a pebble at a time moves a mountain.  It need not be sensationalized to obtain the same results.  What matters is the results at the end of the day.  But shame on those that can do more and do less.. shame on those that do it for the glory.




ZapRobo -> RE: We Tend to Forget Our Martyrs ... (9/6/2008 9:07:46 AM)

Interesting reading, and curious timing since I saw this trailer immediately after....
http://www.apple.com/trailers/focus_features/milk/




LaTigresse -> RE: We Tend to Forget Our Martyrs ... (9/6/2008 11:21:29 AM)

I am trying to get pasts the negative vibe the word martyr gives me. I immediately get a "I want to make a big production of making myself a victim" feeling from that word. I know it's probably my own issue so will do my level best to not allow it to colour my post.

I've often considered the ugly need for martyrs. I hate anyone making a big production of their differences and wearin them like a badge of honour and a reason to be given special treatment. That being said I also see that historically there has been a need for the pendulum to swing too far to one side in opposition of it having been too far to the other. Yet, I also see an equal, and too ignored, need to still the pendulum and begin to ignore the differences or asking for special treatment.

So, while I never want to take away the importance of the past, for myself I want to focus and applaud something else. All people that are able to ignore that someone is black, white, or any of the lovely shades inbetween, that they are gay, straight, or anything inbetween, that they are male or female, or anything inbetween, and focus on the human being first and foremost. I want to applaud all of the people that can describe their new manager as a funny, intelligent person they will enjoy working with. Instead of a black guy that came from the south side of Chicago but managed to go to Harvard and doesn't even sound like a black guy, he's really smart too! Or a woman that seems like she will be really nice, she also seems very smart even though I wouldn't want to piss her off because she seems like she could be a real ball buster. Or a gay guy, but you wouldn't know it by the way he acts, not fluffy at all. Or a lesbian but she wears makeup and dresses, she's really hot for a lesbian!

After all, I've rarely heard anyone say "he is a chubby white guy with blue eyes that dresses really nice, and is straight." when describing someone they've just met.

I hope I am getting my thoughts across. I want people to cease to make these things the most definable facet of a person. I know I am guilty of it, I think most of us are. I know we cannot ignore something that is an important part of who we are. I just hope to see it cease to be the most important part, sometime in my life.

So, for all the people that can forget (including him) that Obama has mixed ethnic heritage in determining his value as a leader. For all the people (including her) that can forget that Palin's femininity should not be an issue in her capability to do her proposed VP duties or potentially suceed her running mate. For the bosses that believe a person's life partner and children should get the same benefits as all the other employees, regardless of gender. AND all of those that are not the stereotypical middleclass white american hetro monogamous human beings that just get busy with the task of living life and being an example of a good human being and citizen, to help education the ignorant.

These are the people I want to applaud most heartily. Because they are our future.




rookey -> RE: We Tend to Forget Our Martyrs ... (9/6/2008 11:32:32 AM)

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I freely admit that during my formative, teenage years living with my Lady, that I was homophobic.


Likewise I was homophobic at the same stage in my life.  I thought gay-bashing jokes were a real hoot and that it was okay to despise gays because, well because, they were gay.  The chances are, at the time, I've unwittingly hurt someone's feelings, someone who I didn't know was gay or lesbian.  

It was when I realised that such an attitude, when wide spread in a society, could lead to suicide and murder that I started to wise up.  From TV journalism I realised that gays took their own lives because of a sense of self-loathing brought about by homophobia and the same prejudice lead them to being beaten up and even murdered. 

The same also applied to my racist views as well. 

Homophobia, like many prejudices, is analogous to drinking and driving.  It can potentially lead to some unpleasant outcomes.

Despising someone, simply because they are different is both dumb and dangerous.





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