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Insurance for the Financially Distressed - 9/7/2008 7:55:56 PM   
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Clearly, no one should spend their last dime buyng any form of insurance.  Food, clothing, shelter, etc. are necessities of life...insurance is not.
 
However, if you’re still hanging by a thread, don’t just assume you should stop buying insurance altogether.  Sometimes it really is a case of a ‘penny saved is a penny earned’…or perhaps a great deal more than a penny.

1st, auto insurance.  This is liability, comprehensive, collision, uninsured motorist, towing, and medical. 

First, ask yourself some hard questions about whether you really
must own a vehicle at all.  Can you get around with public transportation?  Is your use occassional and the cost of rental vehicles or cab fare reasonable where you live?  Think outside the box...a vehicle can be a tremendouse drain on income for a financially distressed person or family.  Yes, we all want to drive our own vehicles....but how much of that is merely emotional?  And in this vein, it's time to park, if not sell, all the second vehicles, RVs, boats, 4-wheelers, etc. that you've acquired for fun.  You need to rethink spending pattterns you may have had all your life and question everything.  

However, we'll assume you do have to own a vehicle, otherwise we'd never get to discuss auto insurance.

Let's begin with liability.  This coverages pays claims made against you for damage you do while driving. Assuming you don't have a terrible driving record, aren't a male under 25, etc., this will run you in most areas somewhere in the neighborhood of say $600 to $1,200 a year.  Most insurance companies will allow you to pay monthly, but a few require a large lump sum annually. 

Should you buy it?

Well, maybe not.  Liability doesn't do you any good...it's only purpose is to pay
someone else in the event you cause some sort of harm with a vehicle.  Call your DMV, and ask..can I post a bond?  Pledge my home or other property?  Is there any alternative to carrying liability available to vehicle owners in your state?  Price the alternatives (if any) and choose accordingly.

But maybe.  If you choose not to buy liability insurance, no alernative is available where you live, then generally you will not be able to renew your vehicle's registration when it comes due.  You might, in some areas, face difficulty renewing your driver's license when it comes due.

However, the best reason to carry liability is that if you are in an accident or stopped by the cops for a moving violation or whatnot, and cannot produce proof of insurance, you may be in a world of hurt.  You may be arrested.  Your vehicle may be towed and impounded, at a price that you cannot pay, and your vehicle sold off.  If you do cause an accident, you will probably have your driver's license revoked or suspended if uninsured, unless and until you go through a lengthy and expensive process.  As a rule, thereafter, you will faced with liability insurance costs that might be 10xs higher than before, sometimes for many years. 

In short, 'the candle isn't worth the game'. Buy the coverage, arrange a legal alternative, or give up the vehicle.  Do
not drive uninsured...it can quickly take you from marginal to homeless and beyond.

So, liability should be given priority in most people's budgets.  Shop around and buy the absolute cheapest policy you can find...and remember to repeat the shopping around thing anytime you move, turn 25 or 30, get a rate increase from your present insurance company...and maybe every other year.  You'll keep cost down as low as humanly possible.

All the other types of auto insurance are intended for your benefit.  If you want one of these types of coverages, remember -- you want an insurance company that will pay your claim.  So, now cost is not your only consideration -- an insurance company's 'reputation' for 'fairness' matters too.  Ask around and find someone who has had a claim and been reasonably pleased with the payment.  Or ask your state's consumer assistance division of the dept. of insurance which companies have the best..and the worst...number or type of consumer complaints.

Naturally, it will almost never make sense to buy liability from one insurance company and other coverage from a second...I doubt it's even possible.  So plan for a (modest) rate increase in liability as you move from the el-cheapo insurance company to one a bit more reputable.

What to buy?  Well, towing/roadside assistance, medical and uninsured motorist are all usually pretty cheap and in the event of a claim are extremely nice to have.  Plan on spending, say, $200/yr for all of it. In many areas, a single tow/roadside assistance alone runs about $150.  Most/many insurance companies will sell you these coverages, together with liability, and not force you to go on to buy 'full coverage'. 

What about collision and comprehensive?  These coverages pay off if your car is stolen, damaged by someone else, lost in a flood and so forth. If you owe on the vehicle you usually have no choice in the matter.  Ditto if your car is leased.  Carrying 'full coverage' on the vehicle is usually a loan or lease provision which, if unmet, pretty quickly results in repossession of the vehicle....something you do not want to happened for a variety of reasons.  If you really cannot afford 'full coverage' on a vehicle subject to reposesson, turn the vehicle in, sell it, do whatever you can...but do not stick your head in the sand.

But say you do own a vehicle outright.  Does the coverage make sense?

Most times, no. Look at the blue book value for your vehicle; assume a private sale/fair condition.  Now look at what the coverage is going to cost you annually.  Let's say your vehicle is worth $7,500, and your coverage will run you $1,000/yr, with a $1,000 deductible.  If you have the stamina to save $1,000 a year and are fortunate, in 7 years or so, you'll have enough to replace the vehicle.  And this is may not happen if you use the money you would have saved to buy insurance.  You
don't know whether your car will be stolen...you do know that 7 more years' use is about all you can reasonably expect to get.

On the other hand, if you lack the will power to save money, the vehicle is an essential, you drive badly, or live in a high-crime neighborhood, maybe you should buy the coverage.  Ditto if for some freakish reason you've sunk assets into the vehicle to customize it, like expensive stereo equipment, and just could not face life without it.  (Hey, some people are weird about their vehicles.)

It's tough to give worthwhile estimates on the costs of comprehensive and collision.  You can't control much of the factors affecting cost either, but there are a few things you can do.  Drive as well as possible.  Park as safely as possible.  Lock the doors of your vehicle always.  Find out what your credit score is and keep it as high as you can.  Ask you agent about the cost of coverage in an area before you move.  Make rational choices between paying higher housing costs and paying higher insurance costs.  Do not lend your vehicle to anyone else, period.  Do not allow your teenager to drive it, ever, and do not add him to your policy.  It is not an necessity of life for a 16 year old to drive, so make it their problem to obtain a vehicle and insurance.

Okay, enough about auto.

Next up, life insurance.

Do you need it?  Well, who do you support, apart from yourself?  If the answer is 'no one', the no, you don't.  Don't fall for bullsh*t about how your underage kid may someday be uninsurable if you don't buy now, or that you owe anyone anywhere an asset to use to 'pay your burial and last expenses'.  If you are not supporting anyone, the fact is, you don't need life insurance and should not spend limited resources on it.

Suppose, though, that you are the sole support of 15 people.  Well, now you need to consider it.  First, take a look at what each one would receive from social security if you died.  If this is pretty close to what you spend now on their support, you still don't need life insurance.  But say it's not enough, or they won't get a dime.  What should you buy? 

It's known as 'term life'.  It does one thing and one thing only -- it pays a certain amount to someone when you die.  You will hear all sorts of names for life insurance:  whole life, universal life, and so on ad naeseum.  You don't want any of it...you only want term.

There are virtually no bells and whistles worth considering on term life insurance.  Maybe, if you're middle aged or older and are offered a guaranteed-not-to-change rate for 10 years it might pay off for you, but that's about it.  Buy the cheapest policy you can from any licensed insurance company.  It's not likely there's going to be any big debate about whether or not you've died...they
are
going to pay.  Yes, I could say more, but that's it in a nutshell.  Just don't forget to drop life insurance if/when your circumstances change and you no longer support anyone else, or are furnished term life as a benefit at work. 

How
much life insurance you should buy is a harder question to answer.  There's a strong desire to buy enough to pay off the mortgage on the family home, but that's really got nothing to do with it.  Your target is the amount of money it'll take to support your dependents until you reasonably believe they'll be able to support themselves or die.  So, for example, add up all the child support you'll pay between now and when the last payment is due..usually when the youngest kid reaches his 18th birthday.  This is pretty close to what your target amount is...buy more if you can afford to, and less if you must.  With adult dependents, think first, what employability could they have that they don't have now?  Could they spend a couple of years in a community college and come away with enough earning power to support themselves?  In that case, your target amount is what it would cost to support them decently for two years.  It sounds harsh, but remember, I am assuming you are low-income and every penny counts.

Next, health insurance.

Should you buy it?  Well, if it's possible to get it through an employer, school or similar source, usually the answer is yes.  The better the coverage is the more true this becomes.

Let's say though that none of those things is possible. Should you buy individual coverage?  Well, that's a tougher question.  If you can't spare a good $150/mo or so, you have no access to it, so forget it.  Concentrate instead on getting enrolled in state or local programs like Medicaid, locating any free clinics in your area, and thus...and accept that if you fall ill with something chronic, like diabetes, you might not get care....so adopt as many healthy-living behaviors as you can.

The answer doesn't really change a lot if you are seriously ill or have dependents.  If you can't find a good, say, $250/mo to spend on this coverage you simply can't afford it and are better off spending your time and effort locating resources for the poor.  If you
can afford it, be sure to read the policy.  Ignore correspondence, advertisements, anything the agent says about the coverage, etc.  READ THE POLICY.

Look to see what's covered.  Does this match your needs?  Then look at all the limits.  Do you need pre-approval for anything?  Is there a lifetime limit on coverage?  What is it?  It's slow going, but there's no other way.  Don't throw away a precious $250/mo and still end up uninsured.  And for anyone who doesn't live in a large metro setting -- make certain before you buy that someone will accept the insurance.   Check, at a minimum, for a family MD and a hospital which accepts it.  Don't buy insurance that is worthless...and if you do...remmeber you usually have a right to cancel it and in any event, it will be cancelled if you quit paying for it. 

Last but not least, homeowners and renters insurance.

Well, if you own a home and have a mortgage on it, you have virtually no choice.  You'll usually face losing your home if you don't buy enough insurance to satisfy the lender.  In fact it's most often built into your mortgage payment and failing to pay that in full will quickly lead to foreclosure.  So pay it if you can.

But let's say you own your home outright or have rented.  Now should you buy? 

Well, for renters, the answer is usually 'yes'.  Only consider 'replacement cost coverage' and plan on spending about $15/mo.  Get it from the same company that sold you auto insurance, and keep it up-to-date as you move.  Borrow a video camera and slowly video all the rooms of your apartment, including all the closets, cupboards, unpacked boxes, etc.

For homeowners the answer is still yes.  Let's say your mailman trips and falls one day delivering your mail.  Or you have kitchen fire that does in all your applicances.  Or you live in a high crime neighborhood.  Or you simply really, really do not ever want to move.  The point is, for most people, homeowners insurance is a good buy.  If cost is an issue, look at any options for high deductibles before ever considering dropping replacement cost coverage, and like certain kinds of auto insurance, buy from a reputable insurance company.

Well, that's about it.  If anyone has read this whole thing, let me just say to everyone feeling financially distressed...

 
Peace out.

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RE: Insurance for the Financially Distressed - 9/7/2008 9:33:13 PM   
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okay I will take a bite.

15 year experience in the property and casualty field so will skip the life and medical

You failed to mention non owners liability coverage. This covers you if you are driving another persons car, renting one, its been while since I practiced but 12 years ago companies were putting a restriction of paying liability if the person was not on the policy.  this is the simplest low cost insurance available if you dont have a car and dont plan of having one.

Some states have a insurance plan where your agent sends the application in and you get assigned to a reputable company for liability only. the price is what set as the lowest standard rate and only overs minimum liability limits, but is better than no liability coverage at all. Agent rarely metion it, but just ask if there is a state insurance plan and is that rate lower. They cant deny the coverage.

Personal Injury Protection as it was called which you refer to as medical. Totally unnessary if you have good medical insurance. I dont think they allow double dipping so at most it would only pay for your deductible or co pay. But also covers something as dumb as placing you thumb in the worst possible place and slamming it.

Uninsured motorist.

If you have decent medical coverage again, and carry comp and collision, both of those can be used in lieu of claiming uninsured.

One good thing is uninsured and underinsured (usually inclusive) is  you can set the limits. If you get in a horrific accident and the other had state limits which last I checked were sadily out of date the underinsured can be a live saver. Plus as with comp and collision if the other person is at fault regardless of if they have insurance the company have people that are scarier than collection agency and have more power. Dont agree to pay them back, they  can file a case and have your driving rights taken away. In Texas that is 10 long years, if they keep up with that 10 years and file an extention and you still dont pay guess what you dont drive. If they collect the amount paid out by your coverage they are also going to recover your deductible.

Now coverage to the car. As you mentioned this is by far a costly investment and some have no choice it there is contract requiring it. When considering higher deductibles check with the loan company first. Some limit how high your deductible can go.  Can you make the care whole with the higher deductible. Remember if you have a loan or leave, the lender will often want proof that the car was fixed before signing off on the check that is in your name and theirs.

It its a total loss chances are will be offered far less that book value. If you want to get closer to book value you best hope the agent took a picture of your car and noted the condition.  Adjusters ( yeah was one of those asshole but behind the desk) are paid by  the insurance company and its all about the bottom dollar. Blue book is just one way an adjuster sets a total loss amount. they know your area, they  will call around dealership to find out what going rate is. If you live in a resessed area, its not going to be much. If its a unpopular care accordingly guess what it impact the value of your car.

Some companies you can buy replacement cost coverage on your car, it seperate and a speciality insurance. high value, classic, antique cars rely on replacement value policies for any damage done to the vehicle, and yes you pay in blood. Its not cheap but worth it to a owner of one of those type cars.

And like candy said, dont read the policy after the fact when you have been denied because its excluded. Exlusion can be quite extensive and varies by each individual company. Your agent should be able to supply you with the guts of the policy.

Upside is that if your not at fault, they are gonna go after the other person if they had insurance or not.

Every state and every company have different rules about things, the majority of companies depending on their state used a standarized policy which you can usually find on your state insurance board website.

Disclaimer: I can be well behind some insurance standard changes, I am going by what Texas insurance law and policies were like as I have worked the full gammit of that particular field of insurance. From being the company adjuster, working  for the middle companies down to a lowly agent who worked without commission.

My  conclusion having worked in all those areas....Agents generally dont know their coverage or what they are selling, chances are they havent even read it.They want their commission.  The adjuster knows it like the back of his hand because he is gonna disect it to find a way to not pay so the company makes a profit.

So not only do you homework when buying a car, do your homework on the company that will be responsible for making good if its damaged.

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RE: Insurance for the Financially Distressed - 9/8/2008 12:19:01 AM   
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Well, I just picked up a new Lincoln MKS last wednesday on a 39 month lease so it has to be insured. Great car! Has all the options and the "Ultimate package" with includes front and rear sunroofs, back-up camera, heated AND cooled front seats, heated back seats, "Bridge of Weir" leather from Scotland, navigation system, sirius satelite radio, and a bunch of other things I don't know how to use yet!
The insurance will run me about $1,400 per year and I get a bill for half every six months.
Life insurance, no because I don't support anyone else and I have enough assets to bury me 20 times over.
I get all my medical/dental from the V.A.
Also, you forgot to mention "Renter's insurance" for the people who rent.
*The landlord doesn't carry insurance on tenants so they need to have their own.*
I have insurance personal property, liability on my personal property and the inside of the condo and our condo association insures the outside of the buildings, "from the studs out."
So, if we had a fire I'd have to have the inside of the condo rebuilt and the homeowners association would pay for the outside.
I have a policy of $50,000 for that.
I "have" to be insured under my terms with Countrywide my mortgage holder.

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RE: Insurance for the Financially Distressed - 9/8/2008 1:16:42 AM   
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The basic premise of the Op is not so much to cover the landscape of insurance...which is too broad for any Op.  It is to point out where a financially distressed person or family can and perhaps should spend precious, limited resources on insurance, especially on things such as liability, which may at first seem counter-intuitive.
 
It happens I have crappy imedical nsurance, which excludes coverage for medical care necessitated by a car accident.  Since in most metro areas, about one third of all drivers are uninsiured -- and many, many more are underinsured -- my little $25,000 in coverage makes me happy.
 
To be uninsured in this county at this time means to go without care, unless you are dying.  And hospitals here have more ways to street someone than you'd ever think.
 
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RE: Insurance for the Financially Distressed - 9/8/2008 6:30:05 AM   
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ALL expenses ought to be re-evaluated every 4 months.

It had been 6 months... but 4 is better.


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RE: Insurance for the Financially Distressed - 9/8/2008 7:27:32 AM   
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I may have mentioned this before, but insurance is not always really insurance. I am not talking about some non-standard type of mutual holding company like Puget Sound was, in which everyone was a shareholder and the premiums were strictly based on the amounts they had to pay out in a given year. I am talking about a normal insurance company with a clause buried in the fine print. You become a shareholder when you buy the policy, and if the company goes belly up during your policy you might be subrogated for a share of it's liabilities. In that case you effectively become an underwriter. If I wanted to do that I would simply be self insured.

The minimum legal requirement in Ohio is $37,500 for liability insurance on the road. So candy, you got that, not $25,000. However in some policies there is a sneaky little clause that states that you totally hand over any litigation rights and responsibilities to the insurer. It also states that they have the right to settle the claim for any amount, even if it is more than their limit of liability. That means they can settle the case for a million dollars if they choose, write a check for $37,500 and leave you subrogated for the other $962,500. This is not inconcievable given today's medical costs.

I remember a buddy who bought his first house. He went with Allstate and that turned out to be a mistake. Luckily he was well versed in these matters, perhaps moreso than I. He recieved his policy and it was not what the agent had told him. He went around with them a few times before he actually got the policy he thought he was paying for.

Can you imagine not reading the policy and finding out years later amidst a claim that you don't have the coverage you thought you had ? Can you imagine following the law and having auto liability insurane, and then losing your house because you don't have $962,500 to shell out ? Can you imagine being sued for possibly many thousands of dollars because the insurance company is financially distressed ?

All of these things can happen, so I agree with candy one thousand percent, READ THE POLICY. Get a magnifying glass and read all the fine print. Use a dictionary to decipher the legalese if necessary.

I have dealt with adjusters a couple of times as well. All I can say about that is to use some finesse and guile if you have it, it can make a big difference.

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RE: Insurance for the Financially Distressed - 9/8/2008 7:48:46 AM   
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Im not  big fan of insurance.

For years I was told I could not get the state min. Well I then found an out of state agency that said differently.  I also got tired of the strong arm red tape tactics of the agents. I tend to get the next car THEN dispose if the 1st when I decide. Not as a trade. So when I must "PROVE" that I dont then drive the 1st car- ...all the red tape. when it is fairly cut and dried when there IS a claim..[ie the VIN, the mileage the date..]  gag me





There are so many escape clauses.

here is something to try.  take the diff in deductables.  the amount diff in premium. then formula that into the chances of a claim. then add in the fact that you might not file a claim as the rate would go up- so some losses you would simply eat.

now that number would mathematically cause the break even point to be x number of years.

all this would be fine except a loss of say 55k is really more like 200k if one had to actually replace the item in toodays dollars. maybe more.

the tall buildings are built by blood and pain.    but like much in life it is a necessary evil.

one good thing about getting older is cheaper insurance.   :-)

While im posting- Ild like to kick the guys ass that hurled a beer bottle onto the street here. Who do you think then cleans up the mess?



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RE: Insurance for the Financially Distressed - 9/8/2008 9:45:34 AM   
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Oh sorry, you *did* mention "Renter's insurance" (I "skimmed.")

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RE: Insurance for the Financially Distressed - 9/8/2008 9:49:43 AM   
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Who has time to re-evaluate their expenses every 4 months.  Seriously, I do not have that time on my hands.

Also, I would not take advice regarding insurance from someone unless they are licensed to talk about and sell insurance.


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RE: Insurance for the Financially Distressed - 9/8/2008 10:36:00 AM   
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Katy

I know in Texas all you have to do to get an agents license by taking a test. They also have outside 'school' That teach you what the answer is. Acontinueing education is a requirement but you dont get tested for those either you just have to get the certificate you attended. I personally didnt take those classes, I knew by the time I applied the answer by heart.. Oh the other hand an aduster has to take courses usually offered at business or jr colleges. Where you dont get the licence if you dont pass. I know double standard.

I have met many licenced agents that had no right to sell, they didnt know their own products.
A agent is commission driven.

As always buyer beware, question your agent, how long he has been in the business, check the bbb and all that stuff when your investing money.

Get on the side of handling claims and you see how inept some agents can be.

As for as reaccessing my finances hell thats easy, I get a check at the first of the month and broke by the middle of the month, and no resources.  There is nothing to re-evaluate.

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RE: Insurance for the Financially Distressed - 9/8/2008 10:56:31 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: KatyLied

Who has time to re-evaluate their expenses every 4 months.  Seriously, I do not have that time on my hands.

Also, I would not take advice regarding insurance from someone unless they are licensed to talk about and sell insurance.




It doesnt take alot of time.

Its easy to do.  Know why you are writing each check.  Every dollar of it.  If you use and enjoy that spending great...if not then you can ammend it.

I started this on phone plans. From there I inserted TV, teck credit card, banking; you name it.

There are so many monthly fee 'services"  that - in my case, simply were not needed.


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RE: Insurance for the Financially Distressed - 9/8/2008 12:59:43 PM   
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I'm careful with my spending, I have to be.  But I also have not taken the time to comparison shop my home/auto insurance, and I should.  I also haven't taken a hard look at how I have my retirement distributed among various options, I could be doing a better job at that sort of thing.

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RE: Insurance for the Financially Distressed - 9/8/2008 1:10:33 PM   
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Hi Katy.

Where my finances are- if I changed at this point...the savings would be minute...and then I dont know how reliable the new place is.

I figured I can always change back to the higher priced items later.

I dont go anywhere....I am home most the time... so my needs are different then when I drove 17 miles to work one way with a clunker car that needed towed alot.

My life goes thru phazes.   What works one year may or may not work the next year.


As to retirement planning, I have no clue on that one.  It is tough enough to control spending now.

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RE: Insurance for the Financially Distressed - 9/8/2008 5:18:55 PM   
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Katy, reevaluate about "licensed". It is not the be all end all many people think. Anybody with a couple thousand dollars can be a licensed, bonded and insured contractor, and I mean anybody after what I have seen.

A licensed bonded and insured contractor wired an outlet in my Mother's bathroom. He used a piece of extension cord which was not even close to kosher, and wired the GFI in reverse which makes a GFI outlet actually MORE dangerous than an unprotected one wired properly.

You can no longer depend on government agencies to filter your professionals, all it takes is money. When someone is LICENSED to sell insurance, they are merely licensed to SELL insurance. One such person, while working for Allstate which is a rather large company tried to screw my buddy as I stated. Large companies mean nothing anymore either. If you want to be successful in your finances, you need better than that.

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RE: Insurance for the Financially Distressed - 9/8/2008 7:34:16 PM   
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I don't know about other states, but here in Ca, car insurance is mandatory.  And if you own a home, you must have insurance, there are no other options.  I can't afford to be sick, health insurance when you are self employed is way out of the ball park. 
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RE: Insurance for the Financially Distressed - 9/8/2008 7:41:30 PM   
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Katy, this Op was not written for you...anyone with financial assets set aside for retirement does not qualify as 'financially distressed'.
 
However, one place you could go for a free overview of your assets and their production, etc. is a bank; make it clear you are not opening a checking account or buying any of the bank's products, and ask if the banker has a Securities License.
 
The problem with going it alone is that it's too easy to make an expensive mistake.  And taking your question to a purveyour of retirement products will just ensure that you are bonbarded with reasons why you should move everything to them.
 
As Termy has pointed out, there is no substitute for reading the policy...or prospectus.  No one is going to care for you as you yourself will.
 
Best wishes,
 
candystripper 

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