BitaTruble
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ORIGINAL: corysub Obviously, being a State Senator is more important in that regard, even if he voted "present" 130 times, I've seen this thrown around several times as if a vote of 'present' was something unusual or inherently 'bad'. Surely, I can't be the only one who has done research on the congressional voting process! Seriously, I think some folks here need to do some homework and find out what it means to vote 'present', why it's done and what purpose it serves and .. um, why it's required by the Constitution. There's this little thing called a 'quorum' which means 1/2 + 1 must be seated for a vote to take place. Voting 'present' is usually done to fill the quorum requirement of the Constitution. There are usually several procedural votes which take place prior to an actual vote on a given issue which would/should also garner a vote of 'present'. So, that said, Obama voted present 130 times. What does that mean in the grand scheme of things? If you really want to know, it means you need to go actually read all those votes to determine what was going on at the time the 'present' vote was cast. How many of those were votes for cloture? For bills? For quorums? Committees? How many of those followed House Rules as opposed to Constitutional rules? How many were for Committee of the Whole? Unanimous Consent? So, here's an example of a bill that passed that is close to my heart. (red highlights are mine and I kept actual text in red bold from the procedure) H.R.2520 Title: To provide for the collection and maintenance of human cord blood stem cells for the treatment of patients and research, and to amend the Public Health Service Act to authorize the C.W. Bill Young Cell Transplantation Program. ALL ACTIONS: 5/23/2005: Referred to the House Committee on Energy and Commerce. 5/24/2005: Referred to the Subcommittee on Health. 5/24/2005 12:19pm: Mr. Barton (TX) moved to suspend the rules and pass the bill. (my note: can't be done without determining a quorum - so, a 'present' vote would have taken place here.) 5/24/2005 12:19pm: Considered under suspension of the rules. (consideration: CR H3795-3809) 5/24/2005 12:19pm: DEBATE - The House proceeded with forty minutes of debate on H.R. 2520. 5/24/2005 1:36pm: At the conclusion of debate, the Yeas and Nays were demanded and ordered. Pursuant to the provisions of clause 8, rule XX, the Chair announced that further proceedings on the motion would be postponed. 5/24/2005 6:06pm: Considered as unfinished business. (consideration: CR H3852) 5/24/2005 6:15pm: On motion to suspend the rules and pass the bill Agreed to by the Yeas and Nays: (2/3 required): 431 - 1 (Roll no. 205). (text: CR H3795-3797) (cloture) 5/24/2005 6:15pm: Motion to reconsider laid on the table Agreed to without objection. 5/26/2005: Received in the Senate. 10/24/2005: Read twice. Placed on Senate Legislative Calendar under General Orders. Calendar No. 256. 12/16/2005: Measure laid before Senate by unanimous consent. (consideration: CR S13930-13931) 12/16/2005: S.AMDT.2688 Amendment SA 2688 proposed by Senator Frist for Senator Hatch. (consideration: CR S13930) In the nature of a substitute. 12/16/2005: S.AMDT.2688 Amendment SA 2688 agreed to in Senate by Unanimous Consent. 12/16/2005: Passed Senate with an amendment by Unanimous Consent. (this would require a quorum so a 'present' vote would have taken place) 12/16/2005: Message on Senate action sent to the House. 12/17/2005 3:50pm: Mr. Deal (GA) moved that the House suspend the rules and agree to the Senate amendment. (consideration: CR H12063-12072, H12142-12143) 12/17/2005 3:50pm: DEBATE - The House proceeded with forty minutes of debate on the motion to suspend the rules and agree to the Senate amendment to H.R. 2520. 12/17/2005 4:34pm: At the conclusion of debate, the Yeas and Nays were demanded and ordered. Pursuant to the provisions of clause 5, rule I, the chair announced that further proceedings on the motion would be postponed. 12/17/2005 7:34pm: On motion that the House suspend the rules and agree to the Senate amendment Agreed to by the Yeas and Nays: (2/3 required): 413 - 0 (Roll no. 664). (text as House agree to Senate amendment: CR H12063-12066) (another example of cloture) 12/17/2005 7:34pm: Motion to reconsider laid on the table Agreed to without objection. (another 'present' vote would have taken place) 12/17/2005: Cleared for White House. 12/19/2005: Presented to President. 12/20/2005: Signed by President. 12/20/2005: Became Public Law No: 109-129. ~~~~~ So, three 'present' votes over a 7 month period were required for this one bill to pass into law. I'm a research slut, but to research 130 'present' votes is a bit much, even for me. For anyone else who cares to do it, I recommend The Library of Congress - THOMAS to obtain voting records and, yanno, a bottle of asprin for the headache you'll get trying to do all that reading for all those bills. Let me know how it all turns out and I'll be happy to copy off your homework. edited to clarify the red highlights
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