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just venting - 11/28/2005 5:58:56 PM   
firefey


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you know, sometimes i love opening my e-mail and sometimes it just sucks! one applicant is articulate and honest and open and amusing. he is a person, treats me as a person, and generally has pleasent non-"do me" things to say. another is really trying my patience! he's new, and while that in no way excuses anything, i know it's a factor. still i get e-mail from him and it's like pulling teeth to get any kind of answer out of him. he wants to be compleatly objectified and i'm wondering if that's part of his reluctence to let me see him as a person first. and on top of it, he has no patience. i see potential in him, but it's dificult to take him in hand over the net. and there is NO WAY i'm giving him my number until her earns the privlege, not to mention the fact that i would probably hear from him 10 times a day.

vent! vent! vent!

ok, i'm done now. but, honestly how do you get an applicant to open up to you? do you think the ones that just want to be objectified will open up, or they just want anonimity so much that they don't want to give themselves permission to be human first? any similar rants?
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RE: just venting - 11/28/2005 7:57:44 PM   
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PEople make threads about obnoxious emails all the time join the crowd of suffers hehehe

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RE: just venting - 11/28/2005 8:01:22 PM   
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lol ok so that one's not obnoxious. I dunno some guys have this fantasy that mistress's do all the work while they sit back and enjoy.

Don't let them make you do all the work if he won't contribute give him the boot

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RE: just venting - 11/28/2005 8:10:38 PM   
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mistress, fire fey,you seem compassionate.
greetings, permission ,to speak, with you ,on reply post;
objectifiction;
a psychiatrist once said ,to me ,and, so did prof. -abnormal psych ,-zarinsky ,that:
one guy thot he was a balloon,
so the, ONLY way ,to reach this person ,
or, to talk, to him
and, relate ,
or get any where ;was, to take him, as a balloon,
and, speak, to him, only, on the qualities(variables),of a balloon.
ie
how are you feeling, to day ;you must be feeling pretty light
and, so ,on...and he's ,so happy ,now ,cause here's a guy, that usually speaks ,to few people, and,he says: oh yes; i'm ,so lite ,today ;like he was flying around town like a big red balloon!
a variable is a constant ,or anything you know you can plug ,in ,and, it is a constant; particular ,to,that object.
ie
a balloon may feel light ;
bouncy ;
afraid ,of being pricked
deflated
likes strings tied, to them
may hang in the bedroom all day, at the bedpost,or near the ceilings;
and lives high, in the air ,with the clouds;
found, at partys ,with clowns;
has the color red
etc
now :say it's a "couch" youre speaking, to;
ok sofie:
nice ,and ,comfy
over-stuffed: i think you ,belong right here, oh you feel pretty new,today is, that right?,or
you look pretty patterned, in flowers;
or you are ,so beatup ,couch ,you are pretty old ,but, soft warm and,used .
flowered? ;checks? ....(buz words)
think you match where you are? ,or ....where you will stay?
apply some constant ,and ,stick ,to the subject ,by speaking ,to the object directly ,about the object ,and ,it's solid-qualities.
say it's a "chair"(wooden?small?padded?)
instead ,of hello ;speak ,as, if he is, only able,to talk ,about his being a chair,as a chair.
you say: i have, to ,put you, over here, now
-no formalities,needed,to greet them ,at the door ,and,or welcome them ,and make them feel, at home.
i'll be right back,to sit down, and, watch tv ,or get, up there;(it keeps them relating ,and, keeps them attentive ,and, coming back, only, to you ,cause they can't talk, to anyone else; who knows who ,or even what they are ;they are, just nuts, or annoying ,but ,the poor guy, just wants, to be a balloon ,or chair ,so let him. he's ,not hurting anyone; he's, just a freakin' object.
you look, rather sturdy;
your back is long;
do you feel sunken, in (leave food),or
THE LEGS ARE, IN THE WAY? encourage conversation this way...I LOVE THIS CHAIR; it's MY FAV.speaking, to them, as if they are real.
INSTEAD, OF, THANKYOU ;
YOU SAY;
I BET YOU ARE A NICE WIDE SEAT,today . THEY MAY ,not want ,to speak,to you, but, you,SAY : YOU'RE WELCOME ,to fit, in here.
you don't say goodbye, to a couch; you leave, and, if you want, to encourage talk you say:" couch!" ,in different tones; like you do an animal who knows; by the tone; of your voice ;you are going, but , they must behave.
AND, ON ,AND, ON...,NOW YOU KNOW HOW ,TO TALK ,TO ANY OBJECT .YOU HAVE ,TO FOCUS,.NEVER RELATE, TO THE, OUTSIDE PERSON;THEY ARE GONE ,OR WISH ,TO BE,UNDERSTAND?AND, YOU DON'T KNOW HOW, TO TALK ,TO THEM WHERE EVER THEY ARE ,if you don't know all the things ,about ,that single-object,in order ,to talk,to them ,anymore ,than anyone-else.
IE:
A fancy elegant STUFFED CHAIR IS A ,"SAMOVAR",(A POMPUS- CHAIR).you ask:
ARE YOU ,TOO CLOSE ,TO THE PLANTS, TODAY?,if ,on the phone.
WHO MOVED YOU, TODAY?,to find where they are going.... ,DID YOU GET nicked, or scratched ,or were you left ,in a spot all week;
MIND, IF I TRY YOUR LEGS FIRST, BEFORE i DECIDE?
YOU GOTTA 'USE YOUR IMAGINATION.
STICK, TO THE QUALITIES ,ONLY ,OF THE 'THING'.
YOU ARE TRYING ,TO REACH.
NO ,OTHER TOPICS CAN TRIGGER A RESPONSE, OF COOPERATION, AND, UNDERSTANDING ,that YOU ARE LOOKING ,FOR, from this person,UNLESS YOU STAY ,INTO THE SOLID"-characteristics ",of the special-object; you have, in, front ,of you
.....,and, a dr. knows, that....
and ,likely speaks accordingly,because, anyone knows balloon is ,only a balloon,just '
what kind'
is the, only difference,when speaking ,to a person who simply wants, to be a balloon,not a person.( perfectly harmless;and,now you're the ,only one,that can do it ).


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RE: just venting - 11/28/2005 8:54:31 PM   
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quote:

honestly how do you get an applicant to open up to you?


Some people offer very few words. It can be frustrating. I try to get them to talk about their work or vanilla interests, along with kink (sometimes it's just too much kink talk, and I'd rather know other things first). If they have a decent profile, that is a good place to start the probing or their interest section.

Sometimes it helps to be an oral surgeon (good at pulling teeth!).

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RE: just venting - 11/28/2005 9:00:07 PM   
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My x used to say he should of been a dentist then he'd get payed for pulling teeth when I was being stubborn

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RE: just venting - 11/29/2005 5:03:09 AM   
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I make a reasonable effort and then just say "next." If an extraordinary effort is needed to communicate at first, what do you think will happen when you are dealing with the really sensitive issues that really make up a relationship?

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RE: just venting - 11/29/2005 5:19:24 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: firefey
but, honestly how do you get an applicant to open up to you?


I'm not seeking "applications," so I look at initial emails as an "introduction," to the man.

As I'm looking to enjoy a man within a "relationship," if he can't open up to tell me about himself, I'm thinking that we won't get along at all, if I have to hold the conversation. He must be articulate in e-mail AND in person. If I have to pull teeth, to get any information out of him, I won't bother being forced to pursue "him." I'm might lose a potential 'gem in the rough,' but I just don't care for a man that isn't confident enough to express himself.

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RE: just venting - 11/29/2005 5:33:25 AM   
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So very very true JohnWarren---this whole internet has changed communication styles and expectations and we as society have not defined the rules---someone can't sleep. gets on the computer, sends tons of messages, then nothing as it was a fluke-- I am very clear about what My real life is like--the juggling of the schedule, and the times I can be found--I'm always on whether I'm actually here, leave a message--they pursue with dramatic ardor for a day or two then nothing--I can understand life issues intervene--however, like John has said, if you cannot open up, make the effort when I am making the effort--what will we have as the relationship builds (if it does)--and My words of caution are around the--"he has no patience"--dear firefey, out of the gate you are doing all of the work--those subs, I avoid like the plague--go from hey I want to serve to--a phone call. no way--there is nothing wrong with emailing and chatting for a bit--that IMHO is NOT cyber, its getting to know each other--however, men do not know how to open up about themselves. get to the heart of them--remember society pegs them as hunter-gatherers with no depth, some speak well and can't write, some write and clam up--simply go do and don't feel--all subs have to open up, how on earth can a good Master/Mistress nurture and grow them? We cannot--developing a good sub IMHO is like raising a child--but there has to be something there to start with--

I think I rambled on this one, because I am passionate about it--smiles

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RE: just venting - 11/29/2005 7:34:37 AM   
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JohnWarren is correct. IMO, 99% of the time it happens cuz they're married. But who cares? Just move on.

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