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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

I think was subtee addressing the issue of "textoing" things overheard on the media more than the paucity of new ideas - but she's only gone and disappeared. I hope the newspaper didn't eat her up :-) .

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ORIGINAL: Thadius

I would disagree with your pointing at one side of the political spectrum as being solely responsible for this. 

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I would even suggest that many of the folks around here spew forth more of the Dem talking points, without doing any fact checking, than some of the conservatives here do with Rep talking points.  With few exceptions, very few on the Dem side can discuss the issues of what their candidate is proposing, much less any details of it.

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However, when someting is quoted, rather verbatim, isn't that disingenous to claim it as your own?

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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

I agree with you, and the truly horrible thing with this election (since that's what's been monopolising much of our collective minds here anyway) is that the same bullshit gets repeated over and over the airwaves, only to land, like an identikit, or a clone, on your plate a few hours later (Palin has benefited immensely from this cretinisation of the news media).

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ORIGINAL: Thadius

I would disagree with your pointing at one side of the political spectrum as being solely responsible for this. 

  I don't believe I said or intimated sole responsibility. 

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I would even suggest that many of the folks around here spew forth more of the Dem talking points, without doing any fact checking, than some of the conservatives here do with Rep talking points.  With few exceptions, very few on the Dem side can discuss the issues of what their candidate is proposing, much less any details of it.

 Wow! Why do you bother engaging with us then?

I'm not going to comment on Obama's tax cut proposals, so as not to derail my own thread.

As for many of the things talked about in reference to Gov. Palin, besides the rumors and such, the only things we have to talk about in terms of her is her record, therefore the same points are brought up in varying degrees and yes in some cases as the news has reported them.  [Emphasis added.]

It's the "and such" on which I was basing my original SP question.Would you care to answer it? I am curious about your opinion. (It was: "I am curious how you feel though; you really don't have any misgivings at all about [Sarah Palin]?" )

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ORIGINAL: philosophy

....true, but the media get their ideas/memes from the same general pool as the rest of us. At the end of the day it's not really what ideas you come into contact with that counts or where you got them, it's how you put two or more of them together.......

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We have a poster here, subrob i think it is, who routinely insists on calling Obama, 'Hussein'. Now it may be his middle name, but who gets called by their middle name?

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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

Was philo's point completely lost on you, or was it just a little too subtle  ?

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But is it though? Here's me: after engaging in discussion over important issues on several threads, I head to bed and turn on the TV. I'm a news junkie, so I flip through all of the news channels (yes, even including Fox).  Somehow, the talking heads are saying the exact same things some here are saying--with the exact same verbiage. So it isn't really the posters' opinions, is it? Is it a kind of plagiarism to post thoughts, inferring they are your own, when quite often they are talking points proffered by a group with an agenda? Should it be cited as someone else's ideas, for example, "as they are saying on Fox News, 'blah, blah, blah'"?

I posted the following question on one of the threads, seemingly shutting it down: "I am curious how you feel though; you really don't have any misgivings at all about [Sarah Palin]?"

Not everyone does this, of course, but I'm rather disappointed in some who do. What do you think?

Any apologists for SP care to answer the question?

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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

I disagree. I think what subtee is describing is malicious gossip disguised as self-righteous political discourse (see: Sanity's post above about the legitimacy of calling someone by their middle name, when it goes against established usage, because it serves his political purpose to unsubtly propagate the idea that he is a Muslim, therefore not a true American, and therefore, somewhat unworthy).

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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

Except that what some do seriously and with a nefarious agenda, others do for fun and frolics and to escape the grip of fascism  .