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Vendaval -> Voting rights and home foreclosures, Ohio, Michigan and other states (9/11/2008 5:05:21 PM)


Should having your home in foreclosure mean that you loose your right to vote?

"Will Foreclosures Affect Voting Rolls?"
"Ohio Election Officials Worry About Voters Still Registered At Houses They've Lost"
COLUMBUS, Ohio, July 6, 2008


"(AP) Election officials worry that the state's home foreclosure problem will pose a problem this November for voters still registered at their former address, a newspaper reported Sunday.

Voters in pivotal Ohio with outdated addresses face possible pre-election challenges and trips to multiple polling places. They also are more likely to cast provisional ballots that might not be counted.

"It's a real issue," said Daniel Tokaji, an Ohio State University law professor who specializes in elections. He wonders whether foreclosures might explain the increasing percentages of provisional votes cast between 2004 and Ohio's latest election, the presidential primary in March."

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"In 2004, the Ohio Republican Party challenged more than 31,000 newly registered voters statewide after letters it mailed out came back as undeliverable. The challenges failed, but Brunner said a new state law requiring counties to mail their own notices to all registered voters could lead to another round of pre-election challenges.

Columbus ranked 32nd among U.S. cities in the number of foreclosure filings during the first quarter of 2008, according to RealtyTrac, a Web site that lists homes on the market in most cities. Cleveland, Dayton, Akron, Toledo and Cincinnati also were among the top 50, and Ohio was ninth among states during May, with one filing for every 410 homes.

Other battleground states rank high in foreclosure filings as well: Nevada led the nation in May with one filing for every 118 homes, while Florida was fourth, Michigan fifth, Georgia sixth, Colorado seventh and New Jersey 10th.

Franklin County GOP Chairman Doug Preisse didn't rule out challenges before Nov. 4. He said his party wants "clean, accurate voter lists."

As it did in 2004, the Ohio Democratic Party is putting together a "voter-protection" plan to fight eligibility challenges."

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/07/06/politics/main4235328.shtml

and
 
"Lose your house, lose your vote"
 
by Eartha Jane Melzer 9/10/08 6:42 AM
Michigan Republicans plan to foreclose African American voters

"The chairman of the Republican Party in Macomb County Michigan, a key swing county in a key swing state, is planning to use a list of foreclosed homes to block people from voting in the upcoming election as part of the state GOP’s effort to challenge some voters on Election Day.
 
“We will have a list of foreclosed homes and will make sure people aren’t voting from those addresses,” party chairman James Carabelli told Michigan Messenger in a telephone interview earlier this week. He said the local party wanted to make sure that proper electoral procedures were followed.

State election rules allow parties to assign “election challengers” to polls to monitor the election. In addition to observing the poll workers, these volunteers can challenge the eligibility of any voter provided they “have a good reason to believe” that the person is not eligible to vote. One allowable reason is that the person is not a “true resident of the city or township.”
The Michigan Republicans’ planned use of foreclosure lists is apparently an attempt to challenge ineligible voters as not being “true residents.”



http://www.michiganmessenger.com/4076/lose-your-house-lose-your-vote






Thadius -> RE: Voting rights and home foreclosures, Ohio, Michigan and other states (9/11/2008 5:19:44 PM)

The concern here in Michigan, is that folks will vote at more than one polling place, sort of like what used to (still?) goes on in Chicago.  It is required by law to register with your current address, which leads to the possibility that some folks may be on more than one roll.  Know what I mean?  The Dems are doing the same thing, trust me.

Verifying that somebody is a resident of the township is in my eyes a good thing, especially with some of the referendums and funding proposals having affects soley on the residents of the townships.  We have a water rights, and tax issue related to those on the ballot this Nov, as an example.




Vendaval -> RE: Voting rights and home foreclosures, Ohio, Michigan and other states (9/11/2008 5:25:37 PM)

Would not the database of voters be used to cross reference names and addresses to prevent people from double-voting?  Are there no security measures in place for such situations? 
 
The Chicago voting practices sound underhanded and unethical.




Thadius -> RE: Voting rights and home foreclosures, Ohio, Michigan and other states (9/11/2008 5:30:46 PM)

I am not sure how often the rolls or the signature sheets are updated here.  Therefore somebody could simply have a voter registration card from both addresses and present each one to the different polling places.  There is no electronic cross check at the polling place, therefore the votes would be cast in both places, and impossible to decipher from the others once cast.

Just one example of how it is done...




candystripper -> RE: Voting rights and home foreclosures, Ohio, Michigan and other states (9/11/2008 5:33:52 PM)

O Lordy; we're headed towards a country where the presidential elections are decided by courts again.
 
As if this state was not benighted enough.
 
(Anyone who's curious:  In Ohio, we elect the members of our state's supreme court; last time I looked, the dems held the majority.)
 
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Vendaval -> RE: Voting rights and home foreclosures, Ohio, Michigan and other states (9/11/2008 6:00:31 PM)

Yeah Candy, I am not looking forward to a scenario of voter fraud and polling misconduct or any of the like.  Bah!




OneMoreWaste -> RE: Voting rights and home foreclosures, Ohio, Michigan and other states (9/11/2008 8:23:01 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Vendaval
by Eartha Jane Melzer 9/10/08 6:42 AM
Michigan Republicans plan to foreclose African American voters


WOW! Talk about playing the race card for a sensationalist headline! It's like the Democratic Party's own Weekly World New over there...4




Vendaval -> RE: Voting rights and home foreclosures, Ohio, Michigan and other states (9/11/2008 8:24:46 PM)

Did you bother to read the rest of the articles or only that one headline?




pahunkboy -> RE: Voting rights and home foreclosures, Ohio, Michigan and other states (9/12/2008 5:20:08 AM)

Silence = consent




OneMoreWaste -> RE: Voting rights and home foreclosures, Ohio, Michigan and other states (9/12/2008 6:06:50 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Vendaval

Did you bother to read the rest of the articles or only that one headline?


I read. Thadius already covered my practical objection to the outraged tone of the articles. I just couldn't let that headline slide.




Vendaval -> RE: Voting rights and home foreclosures, Ohio, Michigan and other states (9/12/2008 4:11:39 PM)

I was thinking "Silence = Death " a la Act Up! during the Reagan Administration recently.

quote:

ORIGINAL: pahunkboy
Silence = consent




thornhappy -> RE: Voting rights and home foreclosures, Ohio, Michigan and other states (9/12/2008 4:43:59 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Thadius
The Dems are doing the same thing, trust me.


Where?  Any articles you can point to?

thornhappy




DesFIP -> RE: Voting rights and home foreclosures, Ohio, Michigan and other states (9/12/2008 4:50:07 PM)

You can't cross check databases. If someone's subletting an apartment, or the apartment isn't legal, it won't appear on a database. They need to go to the board of elections and register at their new address, just show a letter mailed to you there and an updated driver license and they're good to go.




Thadius -> RE: Voting rights and home foreclosures, Ohio, Michigan and other states (9/12/2008 4:54:36 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: thornhappy

quote:

ORIGINAL: Thadius
The Dems are doing the same thing, trust me.


Where?  Any articles you can point to?

thornhappy



You need articles to point out that Dems are going to challenge voters at the polls?  Or that they are using the same sorts of lists?  Just look at any election in recent history. 

Hint: Look at Obama's election record... except for Hillary most of his opposition has been taken out by such technicalities.

P.S. Ven, apologies for taking this into a "partisan" direction.  I was hoping to keep that out of the thread.




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