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Sexuality, real or imagined? - 11/29/2005 3:59:50 AM   
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Status: offline 		It is my opinion we are natually bisexual, born as sexual beings but without a sexual preference. It is society that conditions us to believe one way is good and another bad, and in a sexually repressive society, very bad. What's your opinion?

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RE: Sexuality, real or imagined? - 11/29/2005 4:05:05 AM   
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RE: Sexuality, real or imagined? - 11/29/2005 4:10:30 AM   
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Status: offline 		i was interested in Men/boys (and Mighty Mouse) from my earliest recollections, and my interest has never wavered. i find nothing especially appealing about women, though i think some depictions -- say the Venus De Milo -- are gorgeous.

When i feel the heat, it's that big, muscled, furry, belly, cock, balls and strength i want.

My vote is : naturally the same sexual orientation at age 5 as at age 50, barring any fears about being gay, etc.

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RE: Sexuality, real or imagined? - 11/29/2005 4:24:22 AM   
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Candy, you need to quit sugar coating things and tell us how you really feel. :)

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RE: Sexuality, real or imagined? - 11/29/2005 5:21:16 AM   
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Status: offline 		i am not sure about that one....society has been telling me, my whole life, i should get turned on when i see a man. Hasn't happened yet, and i don't see it happening any time soon.

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RE: Sexuality, real or imagined? - 11/29/2005 6:11:37 AM   
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Status: offline 		I think we are born oriented strongly towards bi, hetero or homosexual.

Those are somewhat fluid based on experiences, but I think it's fairly strongly fixed at birth.

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RE: Sexuality, real or imagined? - 11/29/2005 6:17:13 AM   
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Status: offline 		Ah, the old "nature vs. nurture" question which I thought had been put to rest quite some time ago with the discovery of structural anatomical differences between the brains of heterosexuals and homosexuals, and I believe recently within the brains of bisexuals.

"Nurture" (ie: societal conditioning) cannot cause such structural differences, supporting a long time gay assertion that they were "born this way" and thus ending the "nature vs. nurture" debate.

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RE: Sexuality, real or imagined? - 11/29/2005 7:07:26 AM   
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supporting a long time gay assertion that they were "born this way"


The question is are we born BOTH ways?

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RE: Sexuality, real or imagined? - 11/29/2005 7:18:19 AM   
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Status: offline 		It sounds like we have answered your question in many ways. Some could be born bi...yes, as LA said. Most are not though. As Rover pointed out the actual anatomy of the brain of homosexuals, bisexuals and heterosexuals is different. Many here have said they are only attracted to one sex or the other.

No biggie, but we are basically born one way or another.

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RE: Sexuality, real or imagined? - 11/29/2005 7:22:48 AM   
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Status: offline 		I don't its any easy question and ignores that some people do chose their sexuality for political or social reasons and some just change over time or in certain situations.

I tried becoming a lesbian -- I thought it would be safer emotinally and politically -- it didn't work.

However, just because on the surface I am more easily attracted to males (who look more androgynous than masculine) doesn't mean I can't and haven't found women attractive.

I frankly define myself as kink first not as het, bi or homo. Situation, personality, and conditions are slightly more important than biological sex and I am NOT attracted to masculine men nor to feminine ones either.

I personally believe that we (as a society) would love to be able to shove people into neat boxes based on biology, brain chemistry, childhood experiences, diet, etc. Realistically I just don't think human beings are this simple.


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RE: Sexuality, real or imagined? - 11/29/2005 7:24:31 AM   
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Status: offline 		I'm still uncertain as to what I am....but I do know where my mind likes to play and where some of my fantasizes reside.

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RE: Sexuality, real or imagined? - 11/29/2005 7:37:14 AM   
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I would have to say that I consider myself entirely heterosexual. While I understand that genetically, on a physical level, we are each made differently and many people find themselves attracted to people without considering their sex, I find that within myself there is a strong distasteful image of having sex with a woman. I know that it is the fantasy of most dominants, but I can't image myself there.

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RE: Sexuality, real or imagined? - 11/29/2005 7:46:35 AM   
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Status: offline 		I am not a medical professional, and don't want to portray my level of knowledge in this field for something more than it is. However, I believe I have read studies conducted on identical twins raised in different environments, which demonstrated a conclusive (though not 100 % absolute, so make what you wish out of that) relationship between biology and sexual orientation (and negated any connection between environment and sexual orientation).

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RE: Sexuality, real or imagined? - 11/29/2005 8:01:02 AM   
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It is society that conditions us to believe one way is good and another bad,

One fatal flaw with this reasoning is it neglects to ask "where did society's expectations for sexual orientation come from?" It wasn't just there and folks conformed to it -- people made it that way.

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RE: Sexuality, real or imagined? - 11/29/2005 8:13:28 AM   
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One fatal flaw with this reasoning is it neglects to ask "where did society's expectations for sexual orientation come from?" It wasn't just there and folks conformed to it -- people made it that way.


That's my point, or my question, depending on the point of view. The root of this sexually repressed society is based in religion, and no I won't preach. However there's so much of GOD based in love, love thy brother, do unto others, etc. I remember Bradshaw seminars, from PBS, as he speaks of growing up in Catholic school and the nuns telling the children they were going to burn in hell if they sinned. GOD is love. Religion is fear.

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RE: Sexuality, real or imagined? - 11/29/2005 8:32:34 AM   
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The root of this sexually repressed society

Oh, so you are saying that this is the only society in the history of the world that acts this way. Try expanding your thinking in both time and geography.

Sorry, but conventional sexual stereotypes seem more or less universal. I can think of just two examples where society was indifferent -- I've read that in modern day Brazilian mining camps that men will fuck other men for recreation until they get home to fuck gals again, and it was the same in ancient Greece (for example, Alexander the Great's best buddy was a friend with benefits) . Perhaps there are other examples that I haven't heard of, but if the norms of society (and religion) throughout history have been established by the norms of behavior and there are just a handful of exceptions to that rule, then it looks to me like your argument really has no legs to stand on. Believe what you want, though.

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RE: Sexuality, real or imagined? - 11/29/2005 8:36:55 AM   
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Status: offline 		There is a great deal of research that tends to point in just the opposite direction: that people are born with tendencies that are genetic. A friend of mine who does genetic research told me he believes that 90% of human behavior is genetically programmed. Personally, I think that's way too high. But we aren't blank slates upon which social pressures and conditioning are then imprinted.

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RE: Sexuality, real or imagined? - 11/29/2005 8:37:03 AM   
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I'm fairly new around here and I'll admit I'm usually in the background just observing (or lurking)but wanted to add my two cents here hope it's ok and it's just my opinion but i believe when you're born you are wired a certain way it was predetermined for you and there's nothing you can do to change that society might brain wash you into making you think you should be a certain way or make you think that you have a choice
in how you should be but thats bull you are who you are it my brother was gay he did not choose to be gay to be ridiculed or shunned not only by society but by his own family he couldn't help it nor could he change it.


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RE: Sexuality, real or imagined? - 11/29/2005 9:18:13 AM   
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ORIGINAL: happypervert

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The root of this sexually repressed society

Oh, so you are saying that this is the only society in the history of the world that acts this way. Try expanding your thinking in both time and geography.

Sorry, but conventional sexual stereotypes seem more or less universal. I can think of just two examples where society was indifferent -- I've read that in modern day Brazilian mining camps that men will fuck other men for recreation until they get home to fuck gals again, and it was the same in ancient Greece (for example, Alexander the Great's best buddy was a friend with benefits) . Perhaps there are other examples that I haven't heard of, but if the norms of society (and religion) throughout history have been established by the norms of behavior and there are just a handful of exceptions to that rule, then it looks to me like your argument really has no legs to stand on. Believe what you want, though.


Oh, my goodness.

Most societies I've studied historically have had same sex relationships.

Sometimes they are accepted, sometimes not.

Sometimes they are power based, sometimes not.

Sometimes they have religious connotations, sometimes not.

Sometimes male-male is more accepted, sometimes female-female is.

I'm just thinking this "History of Erotic Literature" course I'm almost done teaching this semester. From the ancient world to the modern, from Europe, to Africa or Asia or the Americas and Australia we have read literature, studied laws, looked at religions, and cultural attitudes and every culture has had homosexuality.

The stereotypes of sexual orientation also varied greatly even if gender roles seemed similar.


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RE: Sexuality, real or imagined? - 11/29/2005 9:20:45 AM   
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ORIGINAL: fldrkhorse

It is my opinion we are natually bisexual, born as sexual beings but without a sexual preference. It is society that conditions us to believe one way is good and another bad, and in a sexually repressive society, very bad. What's your opinion?

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