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RE: Fatwa issued against Mickey. - 9/16/2008 8:13:59 AM   
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It's all very funny until someone flies a jetliner into a building...


Apples and oranges, Merc. Perhaps if more people ridiculed the absurd we would have fewer suicide bombers. Think there may be a reason for the shortage of Islamic humorists ?


Think so? Not in Amsterdam where putting up a cartoon gets you killed while the murderer is hailed by a hero by the leaders of the Islamic community.

The reason there is a "shortage of Islamic humorists" is right here. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jyllands-Posten_Muhammad_cartoons_controversy


You've made my point, sir.


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RE: Fatwa issued against Mickey. - 9/16/2008 9:07:31 AM   
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It's all very funny until someone flies a jetliner into a building...


Apples and oranges, Merc. Perhaps if more people ridiculed the absurd we would have fewer suicide bombers. Think there may be a reason for the shortage of Islamic humorists ?


Think so? Not in Amsterdam where putting up a cartoon gets you killed while the murderer is hailed by a hero by the leaders of the Islamic community.

The reason there is a "shortage of Islamic humorists" is right here. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jyllands-Posten_Muhammad_cartoons_controversy
You've made my point, sir.


Really? Please explain to me what it was. Seriously, I'm concerned about getting old and senile and honestly don't know.

Maybe it will help to know who was the "people" being referenced when you said; "if more people ridiculed the absurd". Islamics? There are laws against ridiculing Islam and the actions taken on its behalf, wherever Islam is the State religion.

Who else, beside me, isn't getting the 'joke'?

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RE: Fatwa issued against Mickey. - 9/16/2008 9:16:01 AM   
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RE: Fatwa issued against Mickey. - 9/16/2008 9:37:26 AM   
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Status: offline 		Ok, Merc. What I mean to say is that ridiculing the absurd is one way to shine a light on it, show it for what it is.  I understand that , in the Islamic world, there is great risk in doing so. Even in the non-Islamic world, as in the case in the Netherlands that you point out. However, is that reason enough not to do it ? Imo, when terrorism, or it's threat, silences free speach and expression, for fear of reprisal, the terrorists win. That is one of their goals, is it not ? A "fatwa " is a threat. 

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RE: Fatwa issued against Mickey. - 9/16/2008 9:48:06 AM   
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This is especially bizzare, since there's been a AQ show on Al Jareria TV for a couple of years now that used a Mickey knockoff to indoctrinate kids into killing for the clerics...

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RE: Fatwa issued against Mickey. - 9/16/2008 9:55:19 AM   
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Ok, Merc. What I mean to say is that ridiculing the absurd is one way to shine a light on it, show it for what it is.  I understand that , in the Islamic world, there is great risk in doing so. Even in the non-Islamic world, as in the case in the Netherlands that you point out. However, is that reason enough not to do it ? Imo, when terrorism, or it's threat, silences free speach and expression, for fear of reprisal, the terrorists win. That is one of their goals, is it not ? A "fatwa " is a threat. 

Thank you for clarifying.

A 'fatwa' when spoken is a threat. The cartoonist in Amsterdam and many who have died see them as actual occurrences and/or disclosure of future effort. It is that history, along with similar ongoing 'fatwas' initiated by many identified and accepted as 'Muslim leaders' that point to the reality that these threats must be taken seriously. The people living under the rule of those leaders either don't have the ability or desire to be represented any other way. Please scoff at the idea that the President of Iran issues 'hollow fatwas' from his position of power and leadership. I don't. The question is, what to do about it? A better question is would you be surprised if President Ahmadinejad acted on his 'fatwa' "threat"?

Directly to your response, how do you accomplish "shining a light" when in the 'west' it is similarly difficult and could result in your social 'death' if you "shine the light" on the absurd actions of the ACLU coming to the defense and rationalizing that it is okay for a taxi driver to be selective about his fares in the name of Islam?

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RE: Fatwa issued against Mickey. - 9/16/2008 10:12:28 AM   
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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,423304,00.html

He may have survived the battle with the brooms in “Fantasia,” but now Mickey Mouse has to contend with the nation of Islam.
Calling the loveable Disney rodent “one of Satan’s soldiers,” Sheikh Muhammad Munajid said household mice and their animated counterparts must be rubbed out, the U.K.’s Daily Telegraph reported Monday.
"Mickey Mouse has become an awesome character, even though according to Islamic law, Mickey Mouse should be killed in all cases."
Munajid, a former diplomat at the Saudi embassy in Washington D.C., made the remarks on Arab television network al-Majd TV after he was asked to give Islam’s teaching on mice.
And Mickey wasn’t alone. Munajid also mentioned Jerry from “Tom and Jerry” fame is on his list of “impure” cartoon mice.





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RE: Fatwa issued against Mickey. - 9/16/2008 10:33:56 AM   
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Paul McCartney promises Israel gig will go ahead despite death threats
 
Sunday Express interview with the militant Islamic activist Omar Bakri Muhammad. "If he values his life Mr McCartney must not come to Israel," said Bakri, who has been barred from returning to the UK. "He will not be safe there. The sacrifice operatives will be waiting for him." Source:  http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2008/sep/16/mccartney.refuses.to.cancel.gig

 

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RE: Fatwa issued against Mickey. - 9/16/2008 10:45:23 AM   
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RE: Fatwa issued against Mickey. - 9/16/2008 11:51:41 AM   
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Islamics?



 . "Islamic" is an adjective. There is no plural form of "islamic". I think the word you were looking for was "Islamists". I know, I know...

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RE: Fatwa issued against Mickey. - 9/16/2008 12:00:03 PM   
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I thought that loosing your money was part of the whole forced abduction scene?


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Yeah I wanted to kill Mickey when I was in Disney.  After all...he had just bent me over, anally raped me and took all of my money. 


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RE: Fatwa issued against Mickey. - 9/16/2008 12:05:27 PM   
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Islamics?



 . "Islamic" is an adjective. There is no plural form of "islamic". I think the word you were looking for was "Islamists". I know, I know...

No - It was use as an adjective distinguishing their form of political correctness, the next two words.

As used similarly in reference to; Islamic morality, Islamic tradition, Islamic belief, Islamic culture, Islamic militancy, and in their creation of Islamic heroes through Islamic terrorism.

I appreciate your editing. I have beth do it for me all the time since I'm terrible at self editing, commonly reading it as I think it as opposed to how I typed it. Thanks - and continue your efforts! However, I must point out that in your reply you disrespectfully failed to capitalize it appropriately. Also, in the US version of the dictionary I use, differentiating and anticipating a difference in a UK version, there is no accepted word spelled "Islamists". 

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RE: Fatwa issued against Mickey. - 9/16/2008 12:10:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		Remember when Jerry Falwell was raving about the Purple Teletubby?  He thought that particular character was gay and that the triangle on its head was in reference to sexual orientation.
 
I was up at Mr. S or Madame S in San Francisco and walked into a huge cage full of great gear and there on the shelf was that same stuffed toy, the purple Teletubby.  He was wearing a huge strap-on and an enigmatic smile.

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RE: Fatwa issued against Mickey. - 9/16/2008 12:12:05 PM   
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Remember when Jerry Falwell was raving about the Purple Teletubby?  He thought that particular character was gay and that the triangle on its head was in reference to sexual orientation.
 
I was up at Mr. S or Madame S in San Francisco and walked into a huge cage full of great gear and there on the shelf was that same stuffed toy, the purple Teletubby.  He was wearing a huge strap-on and an enigmatic smile.


I don't remember him asking for any of the Teletubbies to be killed or destroyed.  So perhaps a slight difference?

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RE: Fatwa issued against Mickey. - 9/16/2008 12:14:30 PM   
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As used similarly in reference to; Islamic morality, Islamic tradition, Islamic belief, Islamic culture, Islamic militancy, and in their creation of Islamic heroes through Islamic terrorism.



There is no plural form of "islamic", and your example above demonstrates this. It's as if I was saying "Christians" to address Christianity related traditions, beliefs, terrorism etcaetera - makes no sense, see?

"Muslim" really is the appropriate term. And the wonderful thing with the word "Muslim" is that it works both as a noun and as an adjective. As in "Muslim traditions" and "Muslims of the world, unite!". I highly recommend it.

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RE: Fatwa issued against Mickey. - 9/16/2008 12:19:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		Tal Thadius,
 
We do have that particular church in the US that shows up at gay funerals chanting, "God hates fags!"  I think in that case they have an active death wish for themselves.
 
On a more personal note from several years ago, some of the guys that used to come over for gaming night were told by their pastor that my boyfriend and I were Satanic because we played Dungeons and Dragons and that we would lead them to Hell.
 
I could go on with personal examples of misguided people burning Star Wars bedsheets because Darth Vader = Satan and trying to cast demons out of turbulent teenagers.
 
Intolerance is part of both Christian and Islamic fundamentalism.
 
Death was an inevitable consequence of the Religious Crusades during the Dark Ages.
 
Neither type of fundamentalism is right and there is plenty of blame to share.
 
As always I wish you well,
 
Vendaval

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