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Obama ducks call to push reform in Illinois - 9/17/2008 9:17:46 AM   
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That is the title of one article in the Chicago newspaper, while the other paper says "Obama Sidesteps Reform in Illinois".  The former is from the Sun-Times the latter the Tribune.  It isn't often that they agree on a political issue, but this one seems to have gotten them to do just that.

http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/1159383,CST-NWS-leg12web.article 

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SPRINGFIELD -- While Barack Obama left an imprint on two major ethics packages as a state senator, he ducked a plea Thursday to use his influence to safeguard landmark state legislation barring big government contractors from making campaign contributions.

In the middle of a simmering Statehouse ethics battle is Obama's "political godfather," Senate President Emil Jones (D-Chicago), who triggered questions Thursday about whether he may allow the legislation to die after the Nov. 4 election.


The story goes on to talk about a group that Obama has worked with in the past, that asked him to just place a call and ask to allow the legislation to be voted on.  There are some other fun descriptions of the bill, what has happened with it, and why it is sitting where it is.  Worth the read if you want a bit of insight into the Chicago/Illinois political machine.  Most folks will find themselves asking "How is that not illegal already?"

The Tribune puts it much the same way, their piece was picked up by Real Clear Politics as an op-ed.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/09/obama_sidesteps_reform_in_illi.html 

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For those of you who still cling to the fantasy that Barack Obama is "about change," you should note how he, or his minions, want nothing to do with reforming politics in Illinois, perhaps the most corrupt state in the Union.

"Throughout his political career, Barack Obama has fought for open and honest government," proclaims his campaign Web site. Apparently, no longer. When the Democratic presidential candidate--now his party's industrial-strength voice for our deliverance from political corruption everywhere--was asked by a reformer if he would help get his political mentor back home to get off the dime and move the most minimal of state ethics legislation toward passage, the Obama campaign sent word back that amounted to a "no."

State Sen. Emil Jones (D-Chicago) is the Chicago machine politician who might have been most instrumental in jump-starting Obama's political career. Now, as Illinois Senate president, Jones is the one sitting on the reform legislation, refusing to call it for an expected favorable vote before it officially dies of neglect.

Jones is the pal of Gov. Rod Blagojevich, no friend of reform, who used his amendatory veto power to change the legislation after it passed both houses so that Jones would get another chance to kill it.

If all that's confusing, welcome to Illinois politics, where intricacy is the best camouflage for chicanery. Suffice to say, neither Blagojevich nor Jones is working for reform.

So, along comes Cindi Canary, director of the Illinois Campaign for Political Reform, thinking that now might be a good time for Obama to parlay his friendship with Jones to do a good deed: Won't you intervene with Jones and try to get him to call the Senate back into session to get this law passed? "[T]his is a place [Obama] could come in and quickly clean up some of the damage and serve his state," she told the Chicago Sun-Times. After all, her group and Obama worked together during those halcyon days when he actually supported reform in Illinois, so maybe he'll be receptive to a plea to intervene on behalf of Illinois folks who have been getting gouged for years by the likes of Jones. "A 30-second phone call to the Illinois Senate president could yield huge dividends to this state," she said.

In response, Obama's campaign issued an oozy statement reaffirming Obama's alleged commitment to reform, while getting no more specific than urging everyone to get together and love one another right now. What Canary was asking Obama for wasn't all that much. Maybe a 30-second phone call to back up his usual pap of, "Look, ah, I've, ah, always been for, ah, reform." For most people, the reform that we're talking about is so basic that they might ask, "You mean it's not illegal already?"

The legislation would make illegal the widespread abuse called pay-to-play politics, by which companies doing business with the state contribute to the state official in charge of ladling out contracts. The new law wouldn't let you do it if you have more than $50,000 in state contracts, which, even at that, leaves open a nice loophole. In Illinois, this is a huge leap forward from how things are done. Blagojevich, who has reaped bundles of cash from state contractors, could be one of the pols most jolted by the prohibition. That explains why he rewrote the legislation in a way that would make it ineffective and why the House overwhelmingly rejected his changes.

Jones now is the only one standing in the way of the reform, with Obama abetting.


So reform and change seem to be good things as long as it doesn't affect those that are paying his bills back home... 

Just the thoughts and opinions of a couple of pieces that popped up back home.  What do you guys think?

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RE: Obama ducks call to push reform in Illinois - 9/17/2008 10:25:47 AM   
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well i believe Obama needs money, so why would he stop it from pouring in.  like lastnights star studded fundraiser.  too bad he is still fundraising instead of campaigning.

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RE: Obama ducks call to push reform in Illinois - 9/17/2008 12:15:27 PM   
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Thad, did you really just quote approvingly from a piece by Dennis Byrne? You claim to be from here right?

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RE: Obama ducks call to push reform in Illinois - 9/17/2008 12:21:04 PM   
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Thad, did you really just quote approvingly from a piece by Dennis Byrne? You claim to be from here right?


I was pointing out that it was unique to see both papers (no offense to the Southtown) in agreement on something like that.  I also pointed out that the Byrne piece was an op-ed.

Hell even a broken clock is correct twice a day, well unless it is digital.

So besides that critique, was there anything not accurate in either piece?  We could always discuss the last reform bill passed in Illinois before Obama left... and how it was delayed and filled with loopholes to allow Mr. Jones to take advantage of certain contributions (while he builds a nest egg for retirement). 

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RE: Obama ducks call to push reform in Illinois - 9/17/2008 1:40:08 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DomKen

Thad, did you really just quote approvingly from a piece by Dennis Byrne? You claim to be from here right?


I was pointing out that it was unique to see both papers (no offense to the Southtown) in agreement on something like that.  I also pointed out that the Byrne piece was an op-ed.

Hell even a broken clock is correct twice a day, well unless it is digital.

So besides that critique, was there anything not accurate in either piece?  We could always discuss the last reform bill passed in Illinois before Obama left... and how it was delayed and filled with loopholes to allow Mr. Jones to take advantage of certain contributions (while he builds a nest egg for retirement). 

I'm just verifying facts. They paint the picture quite clearly.

You whined about me implying that you were a fascist despte my never refering to you in any such way. You quoted Dennis Byrne. You've whined about Emil Jones but I've missed the attacks against Madigan, father or daughter. You're vehemently against Obama and resort to ad hominen when pressed on why. Your fixation on the NoI and Farrakhan.

Such a strange series of facts when they're all laid out.

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RE: Obama ducks call to push reform in Illinois - 9/17/2008 1:46:48 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: Thadius

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

Thad, did you really just quote approvingly from a piece by Dennis Byrne? You claim to be from here right?


I was pointing out that it was unique to see both papers (no offense to the Southtown) in agreement on something like that.  I also pointed out that the Byrne piece was an op-ed.

Hell even a broken clock is correct twice a day, well unless it is digital.

So besides that critique, was there anything not accurate in either piece?  We could always discuss the last reform bill passed in Illinois before Obama left... and how it was delayed and filled with loopholes to allow Mr. Jones to take advantage of certain contributions (while he builds a nest egg for retirement). 

I'm just verifying facts. They paint the picture quite clearly.

You whined about me implying that you were a fascist despte my never refering to you in any such way. You quoted Dennis Byrne. You've whined about Emil Jones but I've missed the attacks against Madigan, father or daughter. You're vehemently against Obama and resort to ad hominen when pressed on why. Your fixation on the NoI and Farrakhan.

Such a strange series of facts when they're all laid out.


Oh I have wrote many a complaint about Lisa and her daddy, and Ryan's corruption.  They however are not involved in the current election cycle on a national level or as part of the discussions around here.  I didn't realize that was a requirement to discuss the topic at hand.  I will make a note.

Are you rebutting what is presented in either of those articles? 

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RE: Obama ducks call to push reform in Illinois - 9/17/2008 3:12:39 PM   
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Did you miss this in the same newspaper????

http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/obama/1169484,obamajones091708.article

Or is McCain making every vote?

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RE: Obama ducks call to push reform in Illinois - 9/17/2008 3:16:44 PM   
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Psst... notice the dates on both articles.  I am glad to see that the Senator has made the call, I will leave the reasoning for doing so open to individual judgements.

Thanks for the link.

Edited to respond to your edit.

I don't understand the meaning of your last comment.

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RE: Obama ducks call to push reform in Illinois - 9/17/2008 3:24:23 PM   
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Jeez 4 days... see he is bringing change. 


As to last comment, I don't understand either, blame it on passion and poor typing skills

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RE: Obama ducks call to push reform in Illinois - 9/17/2008 3:25:59 PM   
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Good thing deer season isn't that far off, eh?

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RE: Obama ducks call to push reform in Illinois - 9/17/2008 3:26:50 PM   
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LMAO 

Ain't that the truth.  So what is on your deer targets?

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RE: Obama ducks call to push reform in Illinois - 9/17/2008 3:33:04 PM   
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I have been making friends with a good sized buck.  I was honest with him that once the season opens, he should expect a change in our relationship.

Oh wait, you meant my practice targets.  Just a single buck target with a soft core, and some boring ring box targets. 
I don't mix my politics and hunting.  Too many conclussions could be spun from having such targets, and I don't want any of that type of attention.


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