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Domin8tingUrDrmz -> RE: Public Humiliation, Play, and SEX (9/22/2008 7:30:40 PM)

Sea,

I too have taken some courses in photography and while it isn't legally required to garner consent forms from pedestrians, many filming industries do it anyway to prevent frivolous lawsuits.  Whether or not Kink.com does any such thing, I do not know, as nothing that I have read has stated such either way.

However, I do think they are indeed following the laws in the areas they are filming.  Quite honestly, if the laws are not being broken, they they are not doing anything 'wrong'.  If enough residents, in the area they are filming at, become morally offended I imagine they will change the laws, and the filming will be modified accordingly.




undergroundsea -> RE: Public Humiliation, Play, and SEX (9/22/2008 7:43:32 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Domin8tingUrDrmz
I too have taken some courses in photography and while it isn't legally required to garner consent forms from pedestrians, many filming industries do it anyway to prevent frivolous lawsuits.


Sure, I agree with your point and made a brief reference to it in an earlier post. The context of my statement is positions like the one below which insist that a release form must be signed (or else faces must be blurred) and that all present in the image must be extras.

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ORIGINAL: undergroundsea

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ORIGINAL: SoulPiercer
And yes .. even the "bystanders" have to sign a release, either that or you have to blur out every single face in the shot.


Based on what I learned in photography class, I am fairly certain that bystanders in a public place are not required to sign a release if they are not the focus of the photo. A bystander offended by being in a photo could create hassles but I do not think there will be legal recourse available to the bystander.


Cheers,

Sea



undergroundsea -> RE: Public Humiliation, Play, and SEX (9/22/2008 8:34:22 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Domin8tingUrDrmz
However, I do think they are indeed following the laws in the areas they are filming.  Quite honestly, if the laws are not being broken, they they are not doing anything 'wrong'. 


I think this point is more interesting for discussion. I think there are some activities for which there will be broad agreement that they are inappropriate. There are some activities for which most will agree that they are fair game. And then there is the grey area in between, which is where perspectives will differ.

And I think that is what makes for interesting discussion: what defines that that is too much and that that is acceptable? For a matter (values and morals) where it can be hard to define absolutes, what is the next best thing? In my opinion, the best approach is to be ethical (versus moral) and ensure that one's behavior towards others is consistent at least with how one expects to be treated. Also, I think one should use common sense and be safe with respect to minimizing the likelihood of unwanted intervention by others.

Cheers,

Sea



rob425 -> RE: Public Humiliation, Play, and SEX (9/24/2008 4:18:21 PM)

Taken from a recent article in the San Franciso Bay Guardian pg 5-6
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Princess Donna, who's launching her new pet product, PublicDisgrace.com, next month. The site will feature blatant public bondage, punishment, erotic humiliation, and explicit sex between models and, potentially, passersby.


The veteran domme is filming most scenes in Europe, where attitudes (and therefore laws) about sex are more lax. In fact, while shooting a scene on a public street in Berlin, the crew was stopped by a couple of motorcycle cops who said only, "If you cause an accident, you'll be liable," before going on their way. In the shoot, a half-naked girl is tied to a park bench, made to carry a dog bowl while on a leash, fondled by her female master, and fucked by a man.


"It's the adrenaline rush of potentially getting caught," says Acworth, explaining the site's appeal and recipe for success. The site will also feature a slew of new faces.

http://www.sfbg.com/entry.php?entry_id=7161&catid=4



graceadieu -> RE: Public Humiliation, Play, and SEX (9/25/2008 3:18:10 PM)

My guess is that, as others have said, it's done in a poor country - and that they rented out and closed off the immediate area to keep innocent bystanders away.



Hime -> RE: Public Humiliation, Play, and SEX (9/26/2008 4:01:41 PM)

NEW Kink.com Blog Entry.  *click here* 
Once you've seen the video please share your thoughts.

What are your opinions on this level of exhibitionism?    Is this too far? yes or no - and why?



~xoxo



Raechard -> RE: Public Humiliation, Play, and SEX (9/26/2008 4:07:16 PM)

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ORIGINAL: graceadieu
My guess is that, as others have said, it's done in a poor country - and that they rented out and closed off the immediate area to keep innocent bystanders away.


You'd be wrong if you guessed that way.

They do it in a poor country because the laws are more lax about such things. If you think they closed off the area to innocent bystanders you are kidding yourself because they don't have to do that in a poor country with lax laws. Public humiliation isn't done in front of people that understand your kink because that would be seeking approval not seeking humiliation.

The bystanders rights are not even considered sadly.



persephonee -> RE: Public Humiliation, Play, and SEX (9/26/2008 4:54:10 PM)

im way too exhausted to slog thru the entire thread....did anyone mention Borat and his problems with consent forms and blahblahblah?

As to whether a poor nation is a voluntary participant in any exchange...not really. How can they really refuse any cash coming their way no matter how unethical the activity is.

As to playing in any form in public, i find it unethical. The one time i was involved in a public scene i left feeling just awful about the effect it may have had on the 16 yr old sales clerk who had to be nearby my dressing room...when we all came out and left, i saw the look on her face and while i still laugh about the goings on inside the changing room...i do feel that i exploited or inadvertantly harmed that girl. i wont participate in that type of activity again...and now that i think back, it may be the only thing ive been involved in where i feel i was in the wrong.



rob425 -> RE: Public Humiliation, Play, and SEX (9/26/2008 8:19:38 PM)

As much as I am against public play for myself I'll still watch the trailers for shock factor. Judging from the shots of the public if they didn't care they just kept walking if they wanted to watch and appreciate sex for the art that it is they watched

Overall it looked like less bdsm influence just mainly public sex



undergroundsea -> RE: Public Humiliation, Play, and SEX (9/26/2008 8:25:28 PM)

Here is a thread from the past that is relevant:

Responsible Public Humiliation

I was involved more in the early part of the thread and Elorin made some good points that broadened my perspective about the matter.

Cheers,

Sea



MasterKalif -> RE: Public Humiliation, Play, and SEX (9/30/2008 5:19:54 AM)

Reigna,

I think Hungary is not what usually is considered "poor" since its a full fledged member of the EU, people are just more open minded when it comes to things sexual. But it could be that it was done in a more run-down section of Budapeszt where the money is more needed.



BDSMareUS -> RE: Public Humiliation, Play, and SEX (9/30/2008 3:00:05 PM)

I can't wait for this site to launch.  2 Days to go.  Staged or not staged it is f'in HOT!



LexiTempest -> RE: Public Humiliation, Play, and SEX (10/1/2008 2:09:13 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Bella1965
You really believe they'd subject themselves to further prosecution by not getting signed releases and closing down an area?


And if someone has a business, they're obviously making a profit, right? I fail to see the logic in this.

BTW, Sea, I kind of love you. [:)] lol   Now to the subject at hand:

If they don't pay to shut down the whole street (and add extras AND cars), they stand to save quite a lot of money. I highly doubt they had a large budget to begin with. Especially not CSI figures.

But I'll play along...
I can't believe no one noticed that there is a PUBLIC TRANSIT bus in the background of one of the photos, did they rent that too? Not to mention that several of the pictures show them ON a public transit bus.
And what about the kids in the surrounding buildings? Are we to believe this is a "child free" neighborhood?

Also, people are arguing "the art of bondage" when the real matter here is public sex (even though a lot of parents would not be keen on the idea of their child seeing a man tie a woman up either). I believe that sex in a public place, where minors can see, is wrong. Period. Even beyond that, I think it's rude and distasteful at the very least to subject unwitting passersby to it. Sure they can leave, but you can't take away what they saw before they left. I wouldn't want to have to explain things to My child if he/she saw people having sex in plain sight. We, as adults, tend to think children are "stupid" (for lack of a better term) because they are young; When in fact, children are quite perceptive. Especially since it is human nature for children to emulate adults.




sillyslaveboy -> RE: Public Humiliation, Play, and SEX (10/1/2008 3:23:36 AM)

At OP:
Hm.. public play. Give me a tolerant environment (i.e. not having lynch brigade sitting around each corner) and i will be all in it.
I doubt there are coincidences while recording a movie. At least i'd not expect that from kink.com.



rob425 -> RE: Public Humiliation, Play, and SEX (10/5/2008 6:33:13 PM)

Another Update on Public Disgrace website they speak of how the precautions they take for like maybe a minute or so
http://news.behindkink.com/blog/default/?smm=y&permalink=Public-Sex-Bondage-Site-PublicDisgrace-com-Goes-Live

Video
http://content.behindkink.com/resources/default/items/2008/10/03/5319_s01_Public_Disgrace.wmv



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