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RE: Petty Dom/mes - 11/30/2005 10:55:24 AM   
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i don't see it as "cowtowing" i see it as submitting and doing my best to make My Lady happy.

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RE: Petty Dom/mes - 11/30/2005 10:58:09 AM   
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Gets out the nice hairbrush and brushes IrishMist's hair while we wait for our new CM language books to be delivered


/hands Candy some popcorn while we wait

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RE: Petty Dom/mes - 11/30/2005 11:00:20 AM   
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O hell's bells; i am bringing scotch and the new leather and bondage gear catalogue to peruse, LOL.

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RE: Petty Dom/mes - 11/30/2005 11:07:11 AM   
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Lol! Got to love the irony of a Dom posting giving out about other Dom/mes wanting things their way instead of his way.

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RE: Petty Dom/mes - 11/30/2005 11:56:56 AM   
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ORIGINAL: riskrewarded

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ORIGINAL: dommemagnet


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ORIGINAL: LadySonelle


As for insisting on respect, I will say that a certain degree of decorum is asked. The slave who signed off with Me last night with the closing phrase "G'night Kiddo!" is NOT going to get much of My attention until he shapes up! I am NOBODY'S "Kiddo"! Really!

Lady Sonelle


Well put! Respect is earned however a certain amount of respect is due anyone that hasn't proven they are unworthy of it. At least that's the way I see life myopically. Manners are justified at all times which is what I believe you are referring to as decorum. There's no excuse for poor manners excepting with those that have already proven they are the northbound end of a southbound horse.


I have to disagree strongly here as well except for the part where magnet says hes being myopic, manners are pretty fluid from place to place.

When I lived in Pittsburgh youd never nudge a person out of your way to get across the street but if a person was stopped at a green light you sure as heck would honk your horn. When I lived in New York a person gawking and holding up foot traffic gets knocked out of the way and its not rude, that person is rude for holding up foot traffic.

When I was in Australia saying "G'night Kiddo" is a very friendly way to say goodbye as its a pretty informal culture, unless one tells the person its a problem its pretty silly to expect people to read their mind and act accordingly.

Unless hes yours right?

And if hes yours maybe you have to work on training huh?

Dom/mes dealing with Dom/mes are bound to have alot of differing ideas on how to do this or that. If you are to enjoy the company of people in your own community and to learn form other people like we all must one must get over their own ideas of cultural norms in a broad community such as this one.

First of all.....ah wtf... whatever! Live and let live.

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RE: Petty Dom/mes - 11/30/2005 1:31:29 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Oumae

Lol! Got to love the irony of a Dom posting giving out about other Dom/mes wanting things their way instead of his way.

Oumae


oh ok my way which is that selfish way where you try to accept people and hope others do too

Im finding this somewhat amusing the staunch opposition to the idea of looking outside of the box a bit.

Im really not angry about it but I find it petty and a shame in something that I value.

And sorry lady who wants to spray me with troll be gone but glenda gave me these ruby slippers and told me BAD witches cant hurt me while I wear them.

there is no place like home click click

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RE: Petty Dom/mes - 11/30/2005 1:50:41 PM   
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I have to say, I'm a little taken back by this posters condescension towards Dominants as a whole in regards to the fact that she doesn't feel that she should have to attain or adhere to certain standards or practices in order to be with them. Isn't that sort of an absurd notion being as to many the entire relationship is based upon the following of rules and the need to obey and do what is expected of you. In terms of them being petty, I would say they would be no more petty than any other faction of humanity. Certain people have certain aesthetic, behavioristic and/or idealistic requirements to match up in their own minds with what they desire and enjoy and why would that ever possibly be a bad thing? If you feel outcasted because you didn't meet up with the expectations of someone, that doesn't make them petty, it makes you an improper match. So just move along and hope to find someone whose expecations and needs you are able to meet. It really isn't some intrinsic fault within the system or the people within it

afmvdp


Huih? Have you read my profile? Have you read my posts? What do you base these insults on?

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RE: Petty Dom/mes - 11/30/2005 1:52:32 PM   
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I have to admit, after reading through all this, and taking a look at your profile, I haven't the foggiest where you are coming from.
Are you objecting to protocol demands in a chatroom?
Rules and regs on a message board like this one?
Profiles you see in general?
Your own profile is fairly specific in what you seek. If a person does not meet your requirements, I would not expect you to feel an obligation to get involved just because you think *maybe* you should be more open-minded.
I expect common courtesy. Not even respect. Just courtesy. Whether chatting, emailing, or a telephone or r/t meet. I extend the same.
Other than that...I have a right to seek what I prefer, and you have a right to the same. If there is no fit, each be on his/her way, without the nasty "fake", "wannabe", yada, yada...
Now what was the point about petty Dom/mes? And who is insisting on conformity?

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RE: Petty Dom/mes - 11/30/2005 1:55:24 PM   
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And sorry lady who wants to spray me with troll be gone but glenda gave me these ruby slippers and told me BAD witches cant hurt me while I wear them.

riskrewarded


Sorry; i'm a Catholic..Pagan Wiccan meetings are set up by IronBear.

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RE: Petty Dom/mes - 11/30/2005 1:56:11 PM   
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I always find it a huge shame that Dom/mes often feel that the world must cowtow to their rules in order to be worthy of being involved with them. This sort of provincial thinking really is devisive and petty.

People have differing taste and likes, if one sets things up to their own liking and expects others to just change if they enter their own little world, that world will be very bland indeed.


i think we all create our own little worlds reflective of our belief systems and how we think. i think if we try to be all things to all people just for the sake of including everyone, that is the ingredient for blandness.
i think its perfectly ok for people to accept their own differences then find compatible people to surround ourselves with.

i think the words tolerance and acceptance are misunderstood concepts...it doesnt mean we have to embrace everything and everyone, it just means to leave others be to the way they wish to live their lives to me. it doesnt mean we have to all live the same.

Essentially i am saying, that by calling people petty for not desiring people in their lives that are too different in belief and way of life, i think you are expressing exactly what you are accusing others of.

If however, people have created their own little world and expect everyone to conform to it generally, thats an unhealthy attitude..but if its simply, you cant enter my life unless you are compatible with it...then i just put that down to someone who knows themself...and if you dont fit...dont force it...find someone you do fit with.




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RE: Petty Dom/mes - 11/30/2005 3:33:10 PM   
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ORIGINAL: afmvdp

I have to say, I'm a little taken back by this posters condescension towards Dominants as a whole in regards to the fact that she doesn't feel that she should have to attain or adhere to certain standards or practices in order to be with them...


If this is addressed to the OP and not candy, he's a Dom.

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RE: Petty Dom/mes - 11/30/2005 6:28:27 PM   
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ORIGINAL: riskrewarded

I always find it a huge shame that Dom/mes often feel that the world must cowtow to their rules in order to be worthy of being involved with them. This sort of provincial thinking really is devisive and petty.
It makes it so hard for people with differing cultures and attitudes to relate and form a community.
This sort of small town thinking isnt very effective especially on the internet where one is bound to meet people who have different tastes and proceedures for doing just about everything.
The pendants will say, oh if only they did things properly!!, oh if only they read the rules!!
People have differing taste and likes, if one sets things up to their own liking and expects others to just change if they enter their own little world, that world will be very bland indeed.
I was raised in Michigan so I understand that small town mindset but a community of people with differing ideas and ways of doing things is such a joy if we are just not so myopic as to insist on comformity.


I can deal with being petty, divisive, myopic, pedantic and provincial. This is, afterall, my life and I'll populate it with whomever I damn well please. Why would I be interested in becoming involved with those who have differing tastes and likes, anyway? One of the greater rewards of being comfortable with myself is the fact that I can comfortably seperate myself from those who don't contribute anything to my personal fulfillment.
Those who don't see things my way are free to follow their own paths...somewhere else.
Timothy

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RE: Petty Dom/mes - 11/30/2005 6:45:11 PM   
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ORIGINAL: candystripper

Huih? Have you read my profile? Have you read my posts? What do you base these insults on?

candystripper



The post was not written in regards to you or anything you have said, just the use of a fast reply.

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RE: Petty Dom/mes - 11/30/2005 8:50:19 PM   
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(the byline should read, wounded submissive). And to Mistress's point: how many times have I been approached by a submissive who is clearly not suitable for Me. So, please take the time to read profiles! Often, with the impression that although I've clearly stated XYZ, I'll be overwhelmed by their wish to serve and might reconsider! Your requests for discrete meetings and cyber-talk will be met with the same MANY TIMES repeated, "I don't think we will be a suitable fit." Heck, I've had submissives wish to interview Me to suit their likes, etc., and truth be told -- YES -- we all come with a set of prerequisites, that speak to our natural leanings (likes and dislikes). I just prefer to post Mine so that at the very least someone performing a search can have enough preliminary information to decipher if it's even worth considering.

And, although it doesn't happen often, I'm still amazed at the rudeness of some submissives when their advances are met with polite, but firm rejection.

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RE: Petty Dom/mes - 12/1/2005 6:12:17 PM   
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ORIGINAL: slavejali

quote:

I always find it a huge shame that Dom/mes often feel that the world must cowtow to their rules in order to be worthy of being involved with them. This sort of provincial thinking really is devisive and petty.

People have differing taste and likes, if one sets things up to their own liking and expects others to just change if they enter their own little world, that world will be very bland indeed.


i think we all create our own little worlds reflective of our belief systems and how we think. i think if we try to be all things to all people just for the sake of including everyone, that is the ingredient for blandness.
i think its perfectly ok for people to accept their own differences then find compatible people to surround ourselves with.

i think the words tolerance and acceptance are misunderstood concepts...it doesnt mean we have to embrace everything and everyone, it just means to leave others be to the way they wish to live their lives to me. it doesnt mean we have to all live the same.

Essentially i am saying, that by calling people petty for not desiring people in their lives that are too different in belief and way of life, i think you are expressing exactly what you are accusing others of.

If however, people have created their own little world and expect everyone to conform to it generally, thats an unhealthy attitude..but if its simply, you cant enter my life unless you are compatible with it...then i just put that down to someone who knows themself...and if you dont fit...dont force it...find someone you do fit with.





Maybe Im not clear but Im talking in more of a community sense, and in the BDSM community dont we learn from people quite unlike ourselves?

One of my favorite discussions at TES in New York was led by a lesbian butch Domme, I dont see how anyone can think excluding her knowledge and input would be positive simply because of predetermined ideas about this womans sexual orientation.

Expanding ones horizons to include other points of view does not mean one must forsake their own or not be self realized as many posters here seem to suggest.

In my experience either one gains knowledge or they become less wise, if one decides they have all the knowledge they ever need and others can just piss off to me that is very petty.

I dont see how having this opinion in fact would make me petty, that sounds like fairly circular logic and invalid.

Feeling that one can stay in their own little hole and never deal with the rest of the world is fairly unlikely in todays world.

To me its seems that alot of the posters on this thread are equating Dominance with self imposed ignorance.

Im just as in my own box as anyone here but if one doesnt attempt to get outside their own self I dont see what kind of wisdom they can offer a submisive or anyone for that matter.

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RE: Petty Dom/mes - 12/1/2005 7:12:15 PM   
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well your profile says you are a dominant and its pretty clear what you do and don't want so I'd say based on that, you pretty much expect the world to revolve around you--hmmm isn't that what you are complaining about--or is that everyone ELSE and not you? And your point is???

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RE: Petty Dom/mes - 12/1/2005 8:46:33 PM   
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ORIGINAL: riskrewarded

Maybe Im not clear but Im talking in more of a community sense, and in the BDSM community dont we learn from people quite unlike ourselves?

One of my favorite discussions at TES in New York was led by a lesbian butch Domme, I dont see how anyone can think excluding her knowledge and input would be positive simply because of predetermined ideas about this womans sexual orientation.

Expanding ones horizons to include other points of view does not mean one must forsake their own or not be self realized as many posters here seem to suggest.

In my experience either one gains knowledge or they become less wise, if one decides they have all the knowledge they ever need and others can just piss off to me that is very petty.

I dont see how having this opinion in fact would make me petty, that sounds like fairly circular logic and invalid.

Feeling that one can stay in their own little hole and never deal with the rest of the world is fairly unlikely in todays world.

To me its seems that alot of the posters on this thread are equating Dominance with self imposed ignorance.

Im just as in my own box as anyone here but if one doesnt attempt to get outside their own self I dont see what kind of wisdom they can offer a submisive or anyone for that matter.


Now I'm confused.

If you were able to take part in a seminar led by that Domme...how exactly was she excluded?

If she was excluded, she wouldn't have been there.

But she was there...so she wasn't excluded...I have to sit down...I'm getting dizzy!

Tasha


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RE: Petty Dom/mes - 12/1/2005 9:20:00 PM   
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My answer was more responding to this part of your top riskrewarded.

I always find it a huge shame that Dom/mes often feel that the world must cowtow to their rules in order to be worthy of being involved with them.

Was just saying, its totally ok for someone to say "hey you dont belong in my personal world, your too different from it..you dont fit".

As far as learning from everyone..sure that a given, it would be silly to think we cant learn from different people.

Thought you were thinking more on a personal level than group.

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RE: Petty Dom/mes - 12/1/2005 9:47:29 PM   
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Lol! Got to love the irony of a Dom posting giving out about other Dom/mes wanting things their way instead of his way.
Oumae
I was reading the posts to find the point and make sense of this thread, than it occurred to me that this man who is a dominant himself is here to save all the poor submissives from us self centered dom/mes, since he is bashing doms, and here to protect subs' interests.
I've never seen him before, and looked at his profile, so am sure other ladies, maybe some cute fem subs have as well *winks*, to he's going to get some play from this fah shur. M

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RE: Petty Dom/mes - 12/2/2005 11:32:20 PM   
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ORIGINAL: riskrewarded


Maybe Im not clear but Im talking in more of a community sense, and in the BDSM community dont we learn from people quite unlike ourselves?

One of my favorite discussions at TES in New York was led by a lesbian butch Domme, I dont see how anyone can think excluding her knowledge and input would be positive simply because of predetermined ideas about this womans sexual orientation.

Expanding ones horizons to include other points of view does not mean one must forsake their own or not be self realized as many posters here seem to suggest.

In my experience either one gains knowledge or they become less wise, if one decides they have all the knowledge they ever need and others can just piss off to me that is very petty.

I dont see how having this opinion in fact would make me petty, that sounds like fairly circular logic and invalid.

Feeling that one can stay in their own little hole and never deal with the rest of the world is fairly unlikely in todays world.

To me its seems that alot of the posters on this thread are equating Dominance with self imposed ignorance.

Im just as in my own box as anyone here but if one doesnt attempt to get outside their own self I dont see what kind of wisdom they can offer a submisive or anyone for that matter.


I have to admit to continued confusion. What are you reading? Who are you talking to?
I find these message boards and r/l encounters to be very informative and friendly. I always learn and gain new perspectives.
There are always a few who are very set in their ways, and can be quite arrogant about it.

In your original post you did write:


quote:

I always find it a huge shame that Dom/mes often feel that the world must cowtow to their rules in order to be worthy of being involved with them. This sort of provincial thinking really is devisive and petty.
It makes it so hard for people with differing cultures and attitudes to relate and form a community.


Since you do not say *some* or *certain* dom/mes, and you also say *often feel*, My initial impression is that you feel all or most dom/mes *often* insist upon a cowtowing to their own rules or the others are *unworthy*. So do they take their ball and go home?
I always learn from others, and gain new perspectives. I still am not sure why you are presenting this as such a pervasive problem that we should be working hard to overcome. You even state you are seeing it on this thread.
I don't see it. May you can tell us where we can find examples of this problem...
Note: Your example of the discussion at TES does not count. Unless you wish to expand on that and state that it was blackballed, or not well-attended due to a presumption of no bearing and no real interest, or as you state, because of her sexual orientation. Because, I probably would have attended, Myself. Even so, it would be only one example.
So clue us in!

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