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Vendaval -> Hurricane season conditions ripe for more storms (9/19/2008 8:17:54 PM)
Stay sharp and prepared folks, NOAA is warning that the conditions are ripe for more tropical storms and hurricanes. (emphasis mine) "More to come in busy Atlantic Hurricane Season" Sept 19, 2008 By Jim Loney MIAMI (Reuters) "Residents of the Atlantic-Caribbean danger zone should not let down their guard, despite a brief lull in the action following Tropical Storm Josephine's demise two weeks ago and Hurricane Ike's strike on the Texas coast, experts said. "Conditions are still favorable for hurricanes. People really need to stay on their toes," said Gerry Bell, the lead hurricane season forecaster for the U.S. National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration. Forecasters had predicted the season, which runs through November 30, could produce up to 18 cyclones, and the warm sea temperatures, low wind shear and other factors that contribute to the formation of hurricanes are still in place." http://www.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idUSN1949413520080919

Sanity -> RE: Hurricane season conditions ripe for more storms (9/19/2008 8:22:41 PM)
This reminds me, we still haven't heard from Level since just before Ike hit.

Sanity -> RE: Hurricane season conditions ripe for more storms (9/19/2008 8:30:01 PM)
He said he was packing, so it's a safe bet that he's okay. http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=2129807

kdsub -> RE: Hurricane season conditions ripe for more storms (9/19/2008 9:08:26 PM)
God bless the people in the line of fire for hurricanes. BUT...How long can we as taxpayers continue to subsidise the luxury of seafront living? You would think that cities..states with zoning powers would have long ago prohibited building in these danger zones. And not only hurricanes the same with building in flood plains... Every year we are spending billions and billions of tax payers money to allow many of these people to build in the same place. Some of these people have rebuilt more than once. I’m not too sure that we should rebuild over and over in earthquakes zones either. I know we help people rebuild after other disasters like tornados but the likely hood of being hit by a tornado is very small… that is not the case with hurricanes. Please I don't mean to sound heartless....I can see helping people in disaster...but once is enough. Butch

bebeuu -> RE: Hurricane season conditions ripe for more storms (9/19/2008 9:27:14 PM)
That's the problem about the "danger zones" as you call it...because of erosion...they keep moving northward...and if we don't find a way to build up our barrier islands in the Gulf...the "danger zone" will soon be in your state! I live in one of the Gulf states, Louisiana, and we used to have summer resorts built on what is now maybe a mile of sand...it is very disheartening. Thankfully some people have learned from the mistakes of the past...and there is hope that we can rebuild these islands...before it is too late.

leakylee -> RE: Hurricane season conditions ripe for more storms (9/19/2008 9:33:55 PM)
kd, i understand to a degree your sentiments, but... FEMA aid for FAY only went to municipalities down here. we had areas in flooding that were in our 100 year flood zones. anotherwards, they dont even write flood policies on them because of how rare they do flood. in my 36 years of life, i have never seen flooding on the scale that we had with this last tropical storm that came through. that includes the 3 hurricanes that popped through here a few years ago. now as to those beach side cities, that is where alot of the tourist revenue for this state comes from. it is so bloody rare, and so hard for areas of this state to be hit by a 'cane that the present building codes keep most structures safe. Galveston hasnt been hit by a major 'cane in over a 100 years. we in Central FL hadnt been hit in 40 years or better, until those 3. Key West hasnt had a direct hit in forver. Andrew was one of the last direct hits to south FL since something like the 30's. these storms cycle out. it happens. most of us pay alot more in increased insurance rates than any help coming from Feds, and the absuridity of some of the insurance pay outs encourage enough people out of the areas. i mean there really is a more increased danger of serve damage from flash flooding up north than down here. (now mind you this comes from living on two of the largest lakes in the area for most of my life) not statics. smooches lee

Real_Trouble -> RE: Hurricane season conditions ripe for more storms (9/19/2008 9:43:09 PM)
A couple of key points, as I actually have professional experience in this field: 1 - NOAA's hurricane predictions are worthless. They are vague estimates of total activity, and say nothing meaningful about landfalling rates for hurricanes, which is what really matters. Last year they predicted 7+ landfalling storms. Nope. Year before that, same thing. Nope. They have no predictive power. 2 - I agree with the point about subsidizing risky behavior, especially in Florida and Louisiana, which have created state-run insurance agencies to pick up the people on the coast because the private market won't touch it at any price, for the most part. To boot, there are multiple companies in Florida leveraged more than 10:1 on their premiums... the next major storm that goes through there is going to be a huge mess. 3 - The flood plains are computed incorrectly. They used an approximately normal distribution to estimate flood frequency when the real underlying behavior is more of a power law series. For the non-math or stat people here, that basically means your 1:100 year flood zones should have a major flood about every 25-30 years, and that estimates of flood intensity are totally wrong. This could be problematic. 4 - Building codes are not strong enough in most coastal regions. It is possible to build homes that are nearly hurricane-proof, it's just expensive... but if people want to live on the goddamn coast in the line of hurricanes, maybe they should pay for it. /end rant

servantheart -> RE: Hurricane season conditions ripe for more storms (9/19/2008 9:54:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub ...How long can we as taxpayers continue to subsidise the luxury of seafront living? You would think that cities..states with zoning powers would have long ago prohibited building in these danger zones. Butch Many of the victims of Hurricane Ike won't be allowed to rebuild their homes due to the 1959 Texas Open Beaches Act.

BlackPhx -> RE: Hurricane season conditions ripe for more storms (9/20/2008 8:28:49 AM)
How long can tax payers subsidize the luxury of living and working on earthquake fault lines, or near national forests that burn yearly or even cliff sides that mud slide during torrential rains yearly. Natural disasters happen. Hurricanes happen..and they don't do their devastation ONLY on coast lines. Ike traveled to Arkansas, Hurricanes in the past have traveled to Georgia, Mississippi, Tennesee and other points inland, not just along the coast lines. If we were to build only where hurricanes have not created disaster..we would be invading Canada and living only in the Middle States of America. Hurricanes and Nor'easters are a part of life, buildings go down, we rebuild and there would be less burden on the tax payer (donations, habitat for humanity) if insurance companies didnt' fight paying out or in actually insuring people. BUT your cost for food and products would be MUCH higher as people would have to commute to the coastlines to service ships and trains etc and get those items to you. There is no place in this country, in this world that is not subject to regular natural disasters. Drought, Monsoons, Tsunami's, Hurricanes, Cyclone (same thing), Earthquakes, Volcanos, Fires, Blizzards, Tornados, Lightening strikes have been with us since the dawn of time and will be with us at the end. Those who can afford to do they best they can to protect their homes. BlackPhx and I installed impact resistent armor glass in all windows (rated to 140 mph), same for our patio door, triple strapped the roof, we insulate, waterproof and sandbag. We have a generator to cover when the electricity goes out and we have full insurance and pay through the nose for it. Betch a whole bunch of whip strokes that should a hurricane actually do damage to our house we will have to fight tooth and nail to get the insurance company to pay us what it will cost to repair our home. IF and when that does happen..we will invest in Hurriquake Nails for our rebuilding of the roof and other wooden parts of the home http://www.bostitch.com/default.asp?TYPE=STATICLEFT&PAGE=hurriquakenail.htm&LEFT=left_innovation.htm it is the best we can do. So...where would you suggest we live or rebuild if we have to? If there is nothing here to slow the hurricanes down, like our houses..and work places... they are going to reach further inland with a lot more strength. poenkitten

kdsub -> RE: Hurricane season conditions ripe for more storms (9/20/2008 10:24:45 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BlackPhx How long can tax payers subsidize the luxury of living and working on earthquake fault lines, or near national forests that burn yearly or even cliff sides that mud slide during torrential rains yearly. Natural disasters happen. Hurricanes happen..and they don't do their devastation ONLY on coast lines. Ike traveled to Arkansas, Hurricanes in the past have traveled to Georgia, Mississippi, Tennesee and other points inland, not just along the coast lines. If we were to build only where hurricanes have not created disaster..we would be invading Canada and living only in the Middle States of America. Hurricanes and Nor'easters are a part of life, buildings go down, we rebuild and there would be less burden on the tax payer (donations, habitat for humanity) if insurance companies didnt' fight paying out or in actually insuring people. BUT your cost for food and products would be MUCH higher as people would have to commute to the coastlines to service ships and trains etc and get those items to you. There is no place in this country, in this world that is not subject to regular natural disasters. Drought, Monsoons, Tsunami's, Hurricanes, Cyclone (same thing), Earthquakes, Volcanos, Fires, Blizzards, Tornados, Lightening strikes have been with us since the dawn of time and will be with us at the end. Those who can afford to do they best they can to protect their homes. BlackPhx and I installed impact resistent armor glass in all windows (rated to 140 mph), same for our patio door, triple strapped the roof, we insulate, waterproof and sandbag. We have a generator to cover when the electricity goes out and we have full insurance and pay through the nose for it. Betch a whole bunch of whip strokes that should a hurricane actually do damage to our house we will have to fight tooth and nail to get the insurance company to pay us what it will cost to repair our home. IF and when that does happen..we will invest in Hurriquake Nails for our rebuilding of the roof and other wooden parts of the home http://www.bostitch.com/default.asp?TYPE=STATICLEFT&PAGE=hurriquakenail.htm&LEFT=left_innovation.htm it is the best we can do. So...where would you suggest we live or rebuild if we have to? If there is nothing here to slow the hurricanes down, like our houses..and work places... they are going to reach further inland with a lot more strength. poenkitten There are natural disasters that occur everywhere...but there are some areas...like flood plains... and Atlantic and Gulf shorelines that do not just have a likely possibility but a certainty to disaster over a given time, that we should not subsidized. How about this…. Have a one time only disaster aid for property owners. Say around $250,000 for single families… $5,000 moving aid for renters. When this is used up there will be no more aid ever. Have strict rebuilding codes and zoning. Here is an example I am talking about….The areas of New Orleans below sea level should never be allowed to rebuild. Those areas should be turned into parks. The homeowners given their housing value or $250,000 and be done with it. Nope they are allowing these areas to be rebuilt as if the levees will never fail again. To me this is idiotic logic. I know they are raising the height of the houses…but how will they get to and from them with the next storm and levee failure ...AND IT WILL HAPPEN. There is no maybe. Butch

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