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RE: The past week on Wall Street, making sense of it all - 9/21/2008 11:44:04 AM   
snappykappy


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*NEW YORK (CNN)* -- "Greed is good."

At least, that's what Michael Douglas' character Gordon Gekko claimed in
the movie Wall Street. But, just like Gekko, the modern-day companies
that followed that motto now find themselves wondering how everything
could collapse so fast.

You know the names by now: Countrywide Financial, Bear Stearns, IndyMac,
Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, Lehman Brothers, AIG. And that's not even
counting companies like Citigroup, Merrill Lynch, and Goldman Sachs
that, while still in existence, have lost untold billions in market
value and have laid off thousands of employees.

Maybe greed isn't so good after all.

Lehman <http://topics.cnn.com/topics/Lehman_Brothers_Inc> was founded in
1844 when Henry Lehman, a German immigrant, opened a small shop in
Montgomery, Alabama. His brothers joined him six years later and, by
1858 they were busy turning cotton provided by local farmers into a cash
crop -- a business that didn't have anything to do with helping
low-income families afford 27-bedroom McMansions.

More than 150 years later, after surviving the Great Depression, Black
Monday, the savings and loan crisis and the dot-com bust, Lehman
Brothers filed for bankruptcy protection. They had gone 14 years as a
public company without ever reporting a single quarterly loss. Now they
will never again post a profit.

Bear Stearns' story is eerily similar. Founded in 1923. Survived every
crisis. Never posted a quarterly loss until last year. Gone without a trace.

So how did 235 years of rock-solid American finance disappear virtually
overnight? Well, it's not as complicated as you think. If you replace
all of the acronyms invented by the brainiacs on Wall Street
<http://topics.cnn.com/topics/Financial_Markets> with references to
things that Main Street understands, it becomes a lot easier to see how
it all happened. Here's a quick story I invented that does just that.

(Note to any Wall Street executives who might be reading this: I know
this simple little story isn't perfect, but let's remember that you're
the ones who tried to make everything complicated and I'm the one who
still has a job.)

...........................

It's just before Christmas,1996, and as you watch overeager parents
trample each other to buy Tickle Me Elmo dolls for their kids, you see
an opportunity. "This isn't a Tickle Me Elmo bubble," you think to
yourself, "this is a long-term trend. Every person in America will soon
own a Tickle Me Elmo, maybe even two. It's the American dream."

You approach your local banker about a loan and, naturally, he loves
your idea. In fact, he loves it so much that for every $1 you have in
your account, he's willing to lend you $34. Great deal, you think, as
you max out your credit line and buy as many Tickle Me Elmos as you
possibly can.

Sales are easy at first. People are lining up to buy your dolls and the
prices are going far higher than you ever thought. The only person
happier than you is your banker.

But the following year something unexpected happens: Kids stop asking
for Tickle Me Elmos. You try to cut the price, but no buyers show up.
You cut the price more, but your store remains empty.

Panic sets in.

You're pretty sure that this downturn is just temporary (after all, who
wouldn't want a Tickle Me Elmo?) but you're quickly running out of cash.
Your only option is to buy time and hope that Tickle Me Elmos start
flying off your shelves again.

You visit every bank in town and, using your piles of Tickle Me Elmo
dolls as collateral (which, of course, you purchased with money you
didn't have) you get as much new capital as possible.

Soon that money is also gone. Even your friends and family refuse to
give you any more loans. At the end of your rope, you go to your town
council, which gives you a "bridge loan" to get you through the next few
months (something that makes your Furby-selling competitors extremely
upset).

Unfortunately, no matter how much you borrow, there's still one nagging
little problem: No one wants to buy your stupid Tickle Me Elmo dolls
anymore.

The longer you wait, the less they're worth. You sell some for pennies
on the dollar, but pretty soon you can't even do that. Then things get
even worse: News breaks that China is poisoning some Tickle Me Elmos
before shipping them to the United States. Now your dolls are not just
out of favor, they're toxic. You literally can't even give them away.

Soon the rest of your money dries up, as do the people who are willing
to lend you any more of it. Now you're out of cash; out of a job, and,
if not for the pile of poisonous Tickle Me Elmo dolls in your basement,
completely alone -- which sounds kind of like the CEOs of Lehman
Brothers and Bear Stearns.

Believe it or not, this ridiculous story may be far from reality, but
it's not that far off from describing what these financial and mortgage
companies did to themselves. Just replace the Tickle Me Elmo references
with the once popular, then discounted, now completely toxic subprime
mortgages <http://topics.cnn.com/topics/Subprime_Lending> and you're
pretty much there.

When you cut through all the noise about "bridge loans" and "discount
windows," what you're left with is the fact that too many companies
still own way too many Tickle Me Elmos that no one wants to buy. Giving
those companies more money doesn't solve anything, it just buys time.
Unless and until the underlying problem is fixed, no real turnaround can
happen.

But we all know that investors (and elected leaders worried about their
careers this November) aren't all that patient. That's why the new
chorus you're likely to soon hear will be from people arguing that the
only way out of this mess is for the federal government to step in and
purchase all of the toxic mortgages themselves. That would allow the
companies with eyes bigger than their balance sheets to start over, with
barely any repercussions whatsoever and without ever taking
responsibility for their mistakes.

Come to think of it, maybe greed isn't so bad after all.

Would the government actually consider that idea? They already are. In
fact, the only thing stopping politicians from "rewarding" us with a new
government agency that will put billions more of our tax dollars at
stake is, ironically enough, the election of new politicians.

Disclaimer: Tickle Me Elmo is still an extremely popular, non-toxic
product and, to the best of my knowledge, is not responsible for the
credit crisis.


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RE: The past week on Wall Street, making sense of it all - 9/21/2008 11:47:38 AM   
popeye1250


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quote:

ORIGINAL: NumberSix

So you might as well tax the shit outta big business and multi-national corps.

Consider it bail-out insurance premiums, when we have a surplus of tax monies in the bank, we can green-mail or take advantage of their cash, like overfunded pension plans as they do to the less than corporate geniuses.

Wait a minute!!!  That will make all the big business want to take their headquarters overseas!!!!!

LOL, well, fuck me!!!!


Great concept in my mind.

6

(anyone ever heard this rant before?)


Six, they can go overseas but, there's no law that says we have to give anyone access to *our markets.*
Funny, all these businesses wanting to "go overseas" but, they always, always, always want access to *our markets*!
Do they think it'll be "business as usual" after this bailout?

< Message edited by popeye1250 -- 9/21/2008 11:48:57 AM >


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RE: The past week on Wall Street, making sense of it all - 9/21/2008 12:44:26 PM   
Vendaval


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That's cute, bipolarbear.  I was not expecting a "Once upon a time" tale but it works as a parable.

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RE: The past week on Wall Street, making sense of it all - 9/22/2008 11:56:04 AM   
NeedToUseYou


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From the horse's mouth. About 8 minutes he let's the truth slide out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubL9CkxHfdA&eurl=http://news.google.com/nwshp?hl=en&tab=wn

In his words the bad mortgage on the books have no market as the housing market is in the shitter. As in the same thing as you crap a turd in your hand and try to sell it. There is no market. Essentially no immediate value. And since they used those mortgages as collateral for other leveraged investments, they as long as those are illiquid have to pony up real assets to support those positions. Also those leveraged positions lose money equal to how leveraged they are. So, all the government is going to do with your 700 billion is make a artificial market, by buying it all up. So, the assets will have value again, and leverages will hold. Same thing as if the government into buying shitpiles, suddenly there would be money in shit and everyone would be dumping all their shit on the government, though that doesn't mean anyone else will want to buy shit because of that.

Anyway, this is NOTHING MORE THAN THEFT, there should be riots in the street.

Actually, I'd be more than interested in buying these mortgages in a nearby area. Between the people I know there is about 500K in IRA money that has been out of the market for some time. I'd gladly pay .10 on the dollar for a package of "bad" regional mortgages if I could preinspect them all. LOL.

Anyone know how to do that? I don't know the internals of actual "banks", just watch the macro level stuff.



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RE: The past week on Wall Street, making sense of it all - 9/22/2008 10:51:05 PM   
popeye1250


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Need, go to some banks and get a list of "bank owned" properties and make an offer.
I'll be looking into that myself in the next year.
And keep your eye on stocks too!
They're getting very cheap at these prices!

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