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RE: on your terms/proactive submission - 9/23/2008 2:27:05 PM   
LuckyAlbatross


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ORIGINAL: Focus50
Yep, and I'm usually responding that it's typical behaviour of passive "doms" who have gotten tired of a role they've adopted in order to get their fantasies serviced on call.  It's like they're not even doms at all, but some wannabe vanilla discovering some women like taking instruction - until something in return is expected of them....

Those subs generally end up starting threads in 'Ask a Master' wondering "WTF?"

But that sets up a convenient place for you to always be right

"All doms are more likely to recognize and appreciate service from subs.  The ones who don't really aren't doms at all"

That's not very realistic.  IME I have seen nothing to suggest that dominants understand, appreciate, take more from service a partner provides than any other non-dominant.


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Personally, that statement is nonsense!  As a Dom who not only notices but expects specific standards of my girl, I absolutely recognise and appreciate (or not) what it is she does, even when not under specific instruction.  My expectations (as a Dom) are so unusual?

Focus.

I would say your observances are normal- just like a vanilla or other type of orientation would be.  To me, the fact that you are a dom has no bearing on your appreciation and expectation.  Trust me, if you want to see people who hold expectations and service to a ridiculously high standard and are willing to nitpick at every moment, go look at the subs.  THEY have that market cornered and are far and above most doms I've ever seen.

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RE: on your terms/proactive submission - 9/24/2008 3:34:30 AM   
Focus50


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quote:

ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

quote:

ORIGINAL: Focus50
Yep, and I'm usually responding that it's typical behaviour of passive "doms" who have gotten tired of a role they've adopted in order to get their fantasies serviced on call.  It's like they're not even doms at all, but some wannabe vanilla discovering some women like taking instruction - until something in return is expected of them....

Those subs generally end up starting threads in 'Ask a Master' wondering "WTF?"

But that sets up a convenient place for you to always be right

"All doms are more likely to recognize and appreciate service from subs.  The ones who don't really aren't doms at all"

That's not very realistic.  IME I have seen nothing to suggest that dominants understand, appreciate, take more from service a partner provides than any other non-dominant.

For the record, I only have personal experience of one Dom and that's the fella in the mirror.  After near 20 years frustration of egalitarian relationships, of course I understand and appreciate the difference a submissive partner makes and their own need to please and serve beyond specific instruction. 
 
Perhaps it's just a personal foible but I've always been one to appreciate the "little things", which is magnified by a character trait of being more observant than most.  And as I said previously, when service is something I expect in a structured dynamic, then I'm more likely to notice when it's below standard or given to a degree not necessarily expected in some circumstances anyway.  Vanillas have no right to expect minimum standards - they take the good with the bad.  As a Dom, when I see the girl going the "extra mile", I'm not thinking she's hiding an expensive new dress or shoes somewhere....  lol

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Personally, that statement is nonsense!  As a Dom who not only notices but expects specific standards of my girl, I absolutely recognise and appreciate (or not) what it is she does, even when not under specific instruction.  My expectations (as a Dom) are so unusual?

Focus.

I would say your observances are normal- just like a vanilla or other type of orientation would be.  To me, the fact that you are a dom has no bearing on your appreciation and expectation.  Trust me, if you want to see people who hold expectations and service to a ridiculously high standard and are willing to nitpick at every moment, go look at the subs.  THEY have that market cornered and are far and above most doms I've ever seen.

Lmao, I do trust you on that one!  Been awhile since I got acquainted with my own profile but I've had my dramas with subs and their preconceived notions of how a "real" Dom does things and I'm certain I still have reference to it in there somewhere....
 
Focus.

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RE: on your terms/proactive submission - 9/24/2008 4:27:36 AM   
TysGalilah


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ORIGINAL: DesFIP

Start by observing, not by doing.
If the first thing he does when he gets home is put on sweats and get a glass of juice, then you'll know to offer him a glass of juice when he goes straight to your place after work, and buy him a pair of sweats to keep there.

If he likes his coffee in an oversized mug, keep your eyes out for one to keep at your place for him.

If he almost always orders apple pie, then bake one.

Etc. But guessing won't work, watching and learning will.



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RE: on your terms/proactive submission - 9/24/2008 5:58:26 AM   
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OP, you got it exactly right when you said that you know that communication is needed.  Since he has some D/s experience, maybe it could start with you telling him that you miss that lifestyle and wonder if the two of you can work some of it into your relationship while letting him know how much you enjoy being with him.

I get kind of creeped out if someone is trying too hard to please me - whether in a vanilla or lifestyle setting.  I don't always know their motivation.  In a vanilla relationship that also has some romance, or chance of it, the other person may feel that you are going too far and too fast.

I find questions to be useful, such as:  "I'm getting my hair done tomorrow.  Is there any special way you would like it?"  Or if being invited to dinner, "Would you prefer that I wear jeans or a dress?"  It shows a willingness to make them happy yet it doesn't jump out at them as going overboard.  Even vanilla men appreciate being consulted as long as you don't start asking things like "what time should I brush my teeth and how many strokes?"  LOL


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RE: on your terms/proactive submission - 9/24/2008 12:39:01 PM   
ranja


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Ask Him if you may take His shoes off after he comes home from work, ask Him if you may kiss His feet.
Ask Him if He would allow you to shave Him... and how He would like you dressed

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