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CelticPrince -> RE: D/s and Religion (9/21/2008 5:04:21 PM)

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ORIGINAL: petitespitfire64

I find it disturbing that niether of my Masters believes that a "God" exists, but it certainly doesn't make me have less respect for them or want to be with them any less. I practice my own spirituality and leave them to thiers.
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spitfire,

Both??? Now thats not fair when there are so many without. grins, Thanks for your input.

CP



CelticPrince -> RE: D/s and Religion (9/21/2008 5:06:19 PM)

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ORIGINAL: leadership527

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ORIGINAL: CelticPrince
Question: How important is religion when determining a potential match for yourself?

Not at all.  I am fairly non-spiritual.  That being said, I recognize that as a valid slice of the human existence and I'd generally think of it as neutral to positive if someone had a healthy, beneficial spiritual existence.  Predictably though, anyone who felt that they were compelled to impart those same blessings on me I would consider an inappropriate selection.


leadership,

but once your a pair, it might be difficult to remain aloof.

CP



CelticPrince -> RE: D/s and Religion (9/21/2008 5:08:17 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Roselaure

The only thing that would give me a problem would be if my partner were very religious and tried to make me believe as he did.  Otherwise I can accept his belief if he can accept my lack thereof.


rose,

That might be a problem on Saturday if he was a Mormon!

CP



kallisto -> RE: D/s and Religion (9/21/2008 5:26:40 PM)

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ORIGINAL: CelticPrince

Question: How important is religion when determining a potential match for yourself?

CP


To me religion and politics are two of the more personal sets of beliefs one has.  I've seen knock-down-dragout arguments with both subjects between spouses, partners, parents, siblings, friends, enemies, etc.    I do think it can be important if it is that important to you or to your partner.  If one is unable to accept the other's beliefs then it will become an issue.   Or if your beliefs are so strong that you can't accept another's then it will become an issue. 

For me personally, it's never been an issue.  



RealSub58 -> RE: D/s and Religion (9/21/2008 7:23:45 PM)

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ORIGINAL: CelticPrince


Question: How important is religion when determining a potential match for yourself?

CP


I just went through the thread "lowering ones standards."
My Sir's "religious" background is as different from mine as black and white.  It's not an off topic between us, we have accepted the fact that we accept our difference.
 
The dude who lied to me the most is the one who brought the topic up to me and stated his beliefs.  They were as mine.  I told him so.   What a mistake.  My grief was deep.
 
Just as I dont discuss politics or things I dont know much about, my beliefs are told only if asked.  For a point sometimes I use them.  Other times....  I know who I believe in and what it means to me ....I carry on with hope in my heart and soul (which does not belong to my Owner, only my Redeemer and Creator).



thetammyjo -> RE: D/s and Religion (9/21/2008 8:07:11 PM)


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ORIGINAL: CelticPrince

we are a homogenious mix here with our individual kinks and chemistry criteria in search of "the match" that will make us viable D/s couple. We also come from a wide range of religious backgrounds that may or may not have been kept current. The mix is well represented here and sometimes mentioned in profiles and sometimes not. There are Wiccans, Methodist,Catholics, Jewish, Pres, and Baptists and a few others.

Question: How important is religion when determining a potential match for yourself?

CP


I think all of these issues of which religion is merely one are important in that if you have more in common to begin with you will have less adjusting to do. Obviously you will not be the same but the more similarities you have the better I think you will do in sorting through the differences.

In our household we were all raised "Christian" but rather different types. For my parents, the church was a huge part of their lives with both parents holding positions of authority in the church, an authority they used to hide a lot of our family problems. For my husband, church was a matter of just what you did on Sundays and they switched churches several times. For my slave, church was an area of conflict with one part of the family subscribing to one "church" and the other to another -- he, his sister and his mom went to one "church" primarily and his father to another.

The result is that we are will say we are "Christian" in this household but frankly we feel more spiritual than religious because we don't find the human created church to be much more than a social vehicle that is easily manipulated and changed by those in power and authority.

I think someone who was very set on going regularly to services would be highly uncomfortable in our household as would an atheist since we do prayer and discuss spiritual issues regularly.

The same can be said for political, ethical, moral, social, environmental the list goes on and on issues.



CelticPrince -> RE: D/s and Religion (9/21/2008 8:14:03 PM)

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ORIGINAL: KatyLied

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Question: How important is religion when determining a potential match for yourself?


It's not important to me.  Unless it's something a potential match felt he had to dominate me into doing.  At that point he'd see the "hard limit" sign.



katy,

How many signs do you carry?

CP



NihilusZero -> RE: D/s and Religion (9/21/2008 8:46:18 PM)

It's important to the degree of attachment in the partner. I'm an atheist (technically, I'm an existential nihilist, but that's not the point....) and would likely not blend well with anyone who is heavily attached to their religious/spiritual dogma.



Twicehappy2x -> RE: D/s and Religion (9/22/2008 4:42:53 AM)

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ORIGINAL: NihilusZero

It's important to the degree of attachment in the partner. I'm an atheist (technically, I'm an existential nihilist, but that's not the point....) and would likely not blend well with anyone who is heavily attached to their religious/spiritual dogma.


Why?
 
I was born into a family whose religious traditions can be traced back about 300 years that i am sure of. More than that, i was chosen at birth to carry on this tradition (Due to beliefs on my families part that i do recognize as a hereditary genetic trait).
 
Do i firmly believe all i was taught? In truth i know a great part of it is simply good chemical knowledge, ie what to plant and how to feed it, what to use for medicine. Being of the educated generation i learned things my granny would never have had the knowledge to put together as science to match the religious practices she taught me.  
 
Do i still practice my family religion? Absolutely, taught it to my children when they were small, they are teaching theirs, though they will not force it on them. I still pay my respects as due, still hold sacred our holidays, still practice the same way my family has for untold generations.
 
Yet Scooter is an atheist. Jewel is a Christian with Wiccan/Druid leanings.
 
Scooter and Jewel support my beliefs, Both have went out of their way to procure things i needed/wanted in pursuit of my religious obligations.
 
I know for a fact if it was important to me they would both "marry" (more like a handfasting for my family, and we do allow mixed sex/number of people) me in a ceremony of my beliefs. And they are already legally married to each other.
 
The trick is we NEVER force our beliefs on one another. Or anybody else for that matter. We can talk about our individual beliefs, answer and ask questions politely. Without attempting to force any one true wayism on another human being.
 
The only time it has ever been an issue for me was when speaking with somebody i had been getting along fairly well with who told me i would have to give up my Sunday morning rides, go to church and convert to Christianity or we could not continue speaking.
 
Yeah, right, like that is ever going to happen. My religion is a huge part of who and what i am as a human being. It has colored my life and my life's choices always, and always will.



DesFIP -> RE: D/s and Religion (9/22/2008 4:48:08 AM)

Well, he's not Jewish also and that's a slight problem because I wind up attending services less than I would like. Other than that, he's not actively religious and that's a plus. I couldn't deal with someone pushing me to convert.



sambamanslilgirl -> RE: D/s and Religion (9/22/2008 5:16:49 AM)

having a religious match is not important between Daddy and me. He's a practicing Bhuddist and i'm a Christian (not one of those Sunday holy-rollers) but don't regularly attend as i should.  He understands why i don't attend services every Sunday nor hasn't tried to "convert" to His religion. we basically keep religion far away from our relationship.

on the flipside, my pet and i keep religion out of our relationship as well.



KatyLied -> RE: D/s and Religion (9/22/2008 6:15:06 AM)

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How many signs do you carry?


I'm sure the number is higher than any weal sub would ever be caught with!    [:D]



leakylee -> RE: D/s and Religion (9/22/2008 6:24:33 AM)

as usual i am gonna run off topic a bit.

twice this was so beautifully stated. it is such a wonderful example of incorperating your family traditions, your heritage, your own nature into a harmonious union. i hope ya'll realize what an inspiration you are to the rest of us that seek the harmony ya'll share.

ok end of mush

smooches
lee



NihilusZero -> RE: D/s and Religion (9/22/2008 8:36:01 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Twicehappy2x

Why?

Intellectual incompatibility.
 
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ORIGINAL: Twicehappy2x
Do i still practice my family religion? Absolutely, taught it to my children when they were small, they are teaching theirs, though they will not force it on them.

Indoctrinating children, whose minds are open doors to assimilating new knowledge, into a religion is an act of forcing it upon them.
 
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ORIGINAL: Twicehappy2xScooter and Jewel support my beliefs, Both have went out of their way to procure things i needed/wanted in pursuit of my religious obligations.

Can you support an apotemnophiliac's wishes/desires without actively wanting to be in a relationship with one?
 
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ORIGINAL: Twicehappy2xThe trick is we NEVER force our beliefs on one another. Or anybody else for that matter. We can talk about our individual beliefs, answer and ask questions politely. Without attempting to force any one true wayism on another human being.

This will get into a discussion that has nothing to do with the OP before long (atheism is not a set of beliefs...it is implicitly a lack thereof).

Yet, if you espouse the notion of not "forcing" worldviews upon others, then it only reinforces my point to seek likeminded individuals with whom I can feel intellectually fulfilled rather than try and "convert" someone heavily attached to their metaphysical notions.




CelticPrince -> RE: D/s and Religion (9/22/2008 8:41:22 AM)

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ORIGINAL: littlewonder

While religion isn't important to me, spirituality is. We have to share a spiritual connection. Our belief system has to be very similar so that our morals, values and ethics are in line with one another.

If we don't share in that then we wouldn't be compatible along any lines whatsoever.



littlewonder,

Well that makes senseso I guess your in the important side given a broad interpretation.

CP



CelticPrince -> RE: D/s and Religion (9/22/2008 8:44:39 AM)

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ORIGINAL: IvyMorgan

Today was harvest festival at my local church.  Being a)traditional and b)rural, we do harvest in a very enthusiastic way.  As a church festival goes, it tends to be quite pagan in overtones, with a very heavy slant towards Tanak references, especially Deuteronomy 26 and traditional Jewish practices.

So, I've spent the day marvelling about how we can smoosh it all together quite well, and likening Christianity to the Borg.  Resistance being futile, for your religious practices will be assimilated and rebranded...

But, during the sermon this evening (evensong, as a service, rocks!) the idea of religious compatibility wandered into my head.  I am toying with the idea of thinking about pursuing the possibility of a relationship with someone.  (Yeah, very non committed, seed type phase right now)  But, I know they do not share my religious views.  I'm fine with this.  I don't believe in pushing my religion on other people (but my love of poetry in hebrew is a whole other matter, if only because of the general level of geeky excitement; I just bombard you with it until you relent, war of attrition and boy golly, you will submit to the enthusiasm like a high school pep rally).  We do share similar spiritual views (my religion and my spirituality being separate things, for the most part).  I guess I was just wondering, idly, as I listened to how covenants aren't contracts (erm, no) in a sermon where this would mean we ended up.

I guess religion itself, either orientation or practice, isn't important, but acceptane of mine is.  (Evangelical Christians, therefore, need not apply *smiles*)


Ivy,

And yours would be????

CP



CelticPrince -> RE: D/s and Religion (9/22/2008 8:47:05 AM)

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ORIGINAL: CallaFirestormBW

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ORIGINAL: CelticPrince

Question: How important is religion when determining a potential match for yourself?

CP


Religion is irrelevant, as I am of a religious path that is so rare that I -literally- know every single practitioner worldwide, and have trained a third of them. OTOH, this pretty much -requires- that the people who are going to interact with me for an extended period of time have an open mind and are willing to accept the eccentricities that are part and parcel of my path. If they can't do that, there is no hope for them in our household. I personally think that it is important to be spiritually connected, but I don't really feel any pressure to require them to express that connection in any particular way.

Our poly family and House itself is very diverse. Aside from my own path (Illuminance Fellowship), which has 3 practitioners in the House, we have a classic Taoist, a pagan, two agnostics, a non-denominational Christian, a Voudoun, a Catholic, and a semantic divinist.

Calla Firestorm


Calla,

Thanks for your input, but how in the hell do you keep up with such a large "family"

CP



CallaFirestormBW -> RE: D/s and Religion (9/22/2008 10:28:47 AM)


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ORIGINAL: NihilusZero


 
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ORIGINAL: Twicehappy2x
Do i still practice my family religion? Absolutely, taught it to my children when they were small, they are teaching theirs, though they will not force it on them.

Indoctrinating children, whose minds are open doors to assimilating new knowledge, into a religion is an act of forcing it upon them.
 


I would have to disagree with you here, Nihilus. If this were true, then children should never be taught history, biology, physics... in fact, we shouldn't teach children ANYTHING, because they might pick up some idea from our tone of voice that would FORCE them to think a certain way...

My kids were taught my path, their stepmom's religion, their dad's and grandparents religions, and my parents' religion. They attended church with their stepmom every Sunday, and Sunday-school twice a week. As adults, one of them chose my path, one chose his stepmom's religion, and one is an atheist. So explain to me again how teaching something forces the kid to either believe it or practice it...

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ORIGINAL: Twicehappy2xScooter and Jewel support my beliefs, Both have went out of their way to procure things i needed/wanted in pursuit of my religious obligations.

Can you support an apotemnophiliac's wishes/desires without actively wanting to be in a relationship with one?
 


Actually, yes.
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ORIGINAL: Twicehappy2xThe trick is we NEVER force our beliefs on one another. Or anybody else for that matter. We can talk about our individual beliefs, answer and ask questions politely. Without attempting to force any one true wayism on another human being.

This will get into a discussion that has nothing to do with the OP before long (atheism is not a set of beliefs...it is implicitly a lack thereof).



Choosing not to choose -is- a choice... and believing NOT to believe is a belief structure.

Calla Firestorm





SomethingCatchy -> RE: D/s and Religion (9/22/2008 11:33:36 AM)

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ORIGINAL: KatyLied

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Question: How important is religion when determining a potential match for yourself?


It's not important to me.  Unless it's something a potential match felt he had to dominate me into doing.  At that point he'd see the "hard limit" sign.



I tried subbing under a guy who I seemed to get along with who ended up trying to *force* me into becoming a Buddhist. Nothing wrong that religion (is Buddhism a religion?) but I don't have any respect for people who try to force their beliefs or opinions on you just because you're a sub. To me, it's a clear sign of insecurity that you've got to force everyone around you to be like you just so you feel happy/comfortable.



CallaFirestormBW -> RE: D/s and Religion (9/22/2008 12:02:22 PM)


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ORIGINAL: CelticPrince

Calla,

Thanks for your input, but how in the hell do you keep up with such a large "family"

CP


You get used to it after a while, I guess. I can't imagine any of our family not being a part of us -- and I think I can fend off senility long enough to handle more if we find people who are compatible. Honestly, having so much variety makes it impossible to take anything for granted -- it really -requires- that each person's idiosyncrasies and assets be recognized, remembered, and reinforced -- otherwise, I think we'd just collapse under the weight of all the angst. *chuckles* (and we get enough of that from our grown kids, now in their late teens and early 20s, who are even more angst-ridden than we were as kids, if that's possible!)

CFB



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