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The Science of Eugenics is alive and well - 9/22/2008 6:04:16 AM   
Aneirin


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Status: offline 		Often on here we debate Racism, and the desperate need to stamp it out, as if it is something like a habit we are forming,when in reality it could be that , many of us were bred into racism by the science of eugenics, scientific racism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenics

The term which is Greek for ''well born'' was first coined in the 1880s by Sir Francis Galton, a cousin of Charles Darwin, (author of ,''The Origin Of Species '' ), suggesting that some races were better than others.

Of course, we know of Nazi Germany and it's quest for the 'Master Race ', but eugenics was alive and well in other countries before that and after Nazi Germany was in ruins.

In America, a movement was set up and became  very popular in the 1920-30s, when it was realised by the '' elite '', who were alarmed at the influx of immigrants  and the large existing black population, saw eugenics, as a scientific basis to maintain their supremacy. The ''science '' was even exhibited at fairs to educate the honest American that the science was good for America, and Good for the human race.

In Britain Funnily enough, eugenics was based upon '' Class '', not racial or ethnic origin.

Eugenics does have it's positives, those concerned with the control and wiping out of degenerative diseases, but as with all positives, there are always more devasting negatives.

So, it could be the type of racism that exists for no other reason than dislike, might be because of eugenics, the science taught to us by our leaders. Other forms of racism are often products of social deprevation, a culprit to blame, often a minority. Again social deprevation could be a product of those elected to lead us.

Eugenics then, a good idea, or a very bad idea ?

Is it still alive and kicking ?







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RE: The Science of Eugenics is alive and well - 9/22/2008 6:13:02 AM   
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RE: The Science of Eugenics is alive and well - 9/22/2008 6:21:30 AM   
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Status: offline 		Eugenics has been thoroughly discredited and its a philosophy, not a science.

Eugenicists have less credibility than economists and that is saying something in the current economic crisis.

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RE: The Science of Eugenics is alive and well - 9/22/2008 6:27:36 AM   
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Status: offline 		Subjects that can be described as a can of worms, I believe need opening and those worms be examined, so they can be put back where they belong, in the ground. There is no point in keeping lids on things that can be sorted out.

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RE: The Science of Eugenics is alive and well - 9/22/2008 6:38:05 AM   
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Status: offline 		Can I ask you for the reason behind the title of your thread? Is it current news that made you think of it, or something else? Just curious.

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RE: The Science of Eugenics is alive and well - 9/22/2008 6:48:09 AM   
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Status: offline 		Where I found about eugenics, a term before I had not come across, was whilst reading about the Indian caste system. It made me sort of angry, but not that surprised the West has dabbled in much the same sort of discrimination as that in India. I am a firm believer of before one dishes out crap against other people, look at yourself first.

What was that famous quotation, 'Let he who is without sin, cast the first stone'


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RE: The Science of Eugenics is alive and well - 9/22/2008 10:07:13 AM   
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Status: offline 		I have a friend from Dublin, Ireland who's a bio-chemist in Boston.
When people ask him what he does he tells them that he's ,"working on the Master Race Project to breed out all the English."

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RE: The Science of Eugenics is alive and well - 9/22/2008 10:21:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		I rather think that the concepts of Eugenics were formulated to provide a pseudo-scientific rationalization for institutionalized Racism. Some of the so-called characteristics of the "Races" are repeated today when people adhere to "racial" stereotypes.

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RE: The Science of Eugenics is alive and well - 9/22/2008 10:25:03 AM   
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I have a friend from Dublin, Ireland who's a bio-chemist in Boston.
When people ask him what he does he tells them that he's ,"working on the Master Race Project to breed out all the English."


No offence meant to you personally, but what a wankish thing for your friend to say.

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RE: The Science of Eugenics is alive and well - 9/22/2008 10:27:48 AM   
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Is it still alive and kicking ?


sure...it just goes by a different name.
 
for instance, let's say you don't have any viable eggs in your ovaries, but you want to have a baby.  you can buy someone else's, but hey, you don't just have to pick any ol' egg...just take a look at

this website

here's a little excerpt from their pitch:

quote:

What is the significance of beauty? It has been reported that young babies prefer to look at a symmetrical face, rather that an asymmetrical one. Beautiful people are usually given the job of selling to, and interacting with society. This continues throughout our adulthood. The act of creating better looking, or in some organisms, more disease resistant offspring (known as Genetic Modifications), has been taking place for hundreds of years. All genetic modifications serve to improve the shape, color and traits of the organism.  "Aroma and attractiveness is natures shorthand for health and hardiness". If you could increase the chance of reproducing beautiful children, and thus giving them an advantage in society, would you?

Any gift such as beauty, intelligence, or social skills, will help your children in their quest for happiness and success.

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RE: The Science of Eugenics is alive and well - 9/22/2008 10:33:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		Except that site isn't so much eugenics as commerce.

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RE: The Science of Eugenics is alive and well - 9/22/2008 10:45:51 AM   
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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

I have a friend from Dublin, Ireland who's a bio-chemist in Boston.
When people ask him what he does he tells them that he's ,"working on the Master Race Project to breed out all the English."


No offence meant to you personally, but what a wankish thing for your friend to say.

Hah will never happen, we be tenacious bastards
another failed experiment!!


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RE: The Science of Eugenics is alive and well - 9/22/2008 10:49:24 AM   
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Except that site isn't so much eugenics as commerce.


it might not be "so much" eugenics, but it still is eugenics...the OP asked if it was alive and kicking.
 
apparently, it's alive and kicking and accepted by members of our society, even if it is referred to under a different name...like "commerce".

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RE: The Science of Eugenics is alive and well - 9/22/2008 10:51:20 AM   
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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

I have a friend from Dublin, Ireland who's a bio-chemist in Boston.
When people ask him what he does he tells them that he's ,"working on the Master Race Project to breed out all the English."


No offence meant to you personally, but what a wankish thing for your friend to say.


KittinSol, in the U.S. that's what's known as a, "joke."
Perhaps you heard of them before?

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RE: The Science of Eugenics is alive and well - 9/22/2008 10:54:29 AM   
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Status: offline 		It is commerce because it depends on mercantilism (selling a chick's egg to a punter). In my book, a mercantile philosophy is no more benign than a dodgy social philosophy.

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RE: The Science of Eugenics is alive and well - 9/22/2008 10:56:28 AM   
kittinSol


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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

I have a friend from Dublin, Ireland who's a bio-chemist in Boston.
When people ask him what he does he tells them that he's ,"working on the Master Race Project to breed out all the English."


No offence meant to you personally, but what a wankish thing for your friend to say.


KittinSol, in the U.S. that's what's known as a, "joke."
Perhaps you heard of them before?


Popeye, by any definition, and anywhere in the world, a wankish joke is a wankish joke :-). See, some jokes are good, and some jokes suck. But each to their own taste and ability :-) .

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RE: The Science of Eugenics is alive and well - 9/22/2008 11:03:49 AM   
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RE: The Science of Eugenics is alive and well - 9/22/2008 11:09:57 AM   
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It is commerce because it depends on mercantilism (selling a chick's egg to a punter). In my book, a mercantile philosophy is no more benign than a dodgy social philosophy.


this particular website isn't just selling "a chick's" egg...what they are selling is what they posit a "gentically superior" egg.
 
"eugenics" could also be known as "marketing strategy", to make it more palatable.

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RE: The Science of Eugenics is alive and well - 9/22/2008 11:12:54 AM   
kittinSol


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Status: offline 		On the other hand, why buy a rancid egg from an old hen when you can get one from a genetically perfect one  ?



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RE: The Science of Eugenics is alive and well - 9/22/2008 11:32:45 AM   
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I am sure they have "plans"  for us

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