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is a slave girl low? - 9/22/2008 7:47:20 AM   
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So.  I was thinking today about a discussion I had last night with a potential slave girl.  One of the things she asked is whether I look down on my slave girls.
I told her no.  Quite the opposite.  I consider the love of a slave to be the most perfect and pure love attainable.  I see Slave girls as absolutely amazing and higher then any other.  I am a Dom because that's my part in fulfilling her needs, just as she is a slave because her perfect love drives her to do whatever it takes to please her Master.
I was wondering what other Doms and subs alike think about this.
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RE: is a slave girl low? - 9/22/2008 8:09:09 AM   
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Sometimes I like to feel that I am low but I would not want to be with someone who thought that of me all the time. I am not a "mere" slave. (I may not even be a mere submissive at this point.) and I refuse to be taken in by a man who views me as a "mere" anything. I am all about living up to one's full potential which just doesn't leave room for less than.

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RE: is a slave girl low? - 9/22/2008 8:13:03 AM   
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Slave girls are only low if they're told to kneel with their cheek resting on the floor and their ass raised.  Sometimes it's very gooood to be low.

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RE: is a slave girl low? - 9/22/2008 8:14:29 AM   
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I don't look at myself as lower than my Master, and He has told me from the beginning He has nothing but total respect for the slave who can wear His collar. It takes a lot to submit to some one's will fully like that and I wouldn't ever want to be with some one who looked down on me for it and disregarded everything it took to be a good slave.

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RE: is a slave girl low? - 9/22/2008 8:15:02 AM   
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Slave girls are only low if they're told to kneel with their cheek resting on the floor and their ass raised.  Sometimes it's very gooood to be low.


Your a dirty dirty little girl.

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RE: is a slave girl low? - 9/22/2008 8:24:14 AM   
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This is something that Fox and I have discussed repeatedly because mainstream mundane culture and "pop" kink culture say that the "slave" is inferior and low and less.

Frankly if someone has proven himself through formal training and commitment to be worthy of being my slave then I would consider him of much higher rank and status in my eyes than any submissive or bottom I was in a relationship with. I think being my slave (note the "my" here) takes a good deal of inter-strength and self-motivation as well as a intellectual, social and household skill level beyond what I'd expect from a sub or bottom.

I think it is a very rare person who can be my slave and who can last over 8 years in that position.

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RE: is a slave girl low? - 9/22/2008 10:26:41 AM   
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Being a good slave takes a lot of courage, determination, trust, and dedication.  They are often blindsided by new tasks or circumstances and expected to "behave" well.  Most have willingly handed over their body, mind, heart and soul in the hopes of pleasing another, and would put up with degradation, silly games, radically unexpected circumstances, and submit themselves to punishment for "indiscretions".   While Dominants have a lot of responsibilities when it comes to taking good care of this prize, the work of a slave is equally difficult if not more so.  What would you do for the sake of a smile?  No, slaves are not low at all but perhaps the most valuable jewels of all.  They know how to put the interests of another first.  There is never anything low in that.

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RE: is a slave girl low? - 9/22/2008 10:31:21 AM   
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I see Slave girls as absolutely amazing and higher then any other. 



Good luck  .

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RE: is a slave girl low? - 9/22/2008 10:53:33 AM   
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slaves arent high... they arent low... they are just... as they are.  no one is perfect, even the best slave isnt perfect, though, she may be seen as perfect in her Owners eyes

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RE: is a slave girl low? - 9/22/2008 11:11:43 AM   
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Lower level of power?  - YES Lower in rank and command?  - YES
Lower in value as a human?  - NO Slaves are my subordinates and that has to beat strongly in their little slave hearts.  However, slaves are important as people as because they are part of the balance in life.

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RE: is a slave girl low? - 9/22/2008 11:15:53 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Aslanemperor

So.  I was thinking today about a discussion I had last night with a potential slave girl.  One of the things she asked is whether I look down on my slave girls.
I told her no.  Quite the opposite.  I consider the love of a slave to be the most perfect and pure love attainable.  I see Slave girls as absolutely amazing and higher then any other.  I am a Dom because that's my part in fulfilling her needs, just as she is a slave because her perfect love drives her to do whatever it takes to please her Master.
I was wondering what other Doms and subs alike think about this.



To me, this depends on how you look upon the term 'low'. Traditionally, slavery, as a non-consensual state forced upon a being and demanding servitude -was- at the lowest level of the social scale. If one were to retain the characteristics of slavery in this sense, then yes, a slave-girl (or slave-boy) would be of the lowest sociopolitical caste.

Though I do not abide by the traditional terms (hence, I don't 'own' slaves -- I 'keep' servants), there is also a D/s hierarchy which places the servant in a position under the scrutiny and command of the Keeper -- in this sense, too, the servant is of a 'lower' sociopolitical caste, in that xhe must defer to another in the decision-making process, unless given the right to make certain decisions on hir own by the Keeper.

This being said, being a slave or servant has NEVER meant that the slave/servant was intellectually less capable, or philosophically/emotionally/intellectually less well endowed than the Keeper. In fact, in cultures in which traditional slavery was common and well-considered (like, say, in Ancient Greece or Egypt), the knowledge, wisdom, intellect, and artistry of a slave was often remarked upon, and those skills were put to work in the benefit of the Keeper's household.

Pride of effort and pride of place have also traditionally been an aspect of slavery. A slave or servant who cannot be proud of the work that xhe does is not giving hir best effort to hir Keeper -- also, a servant can be dignified, graceful, and proud in hir expression of her servitude, but pride does not mean to be obnoxious about or boastful... and this is the difference between being "prideful" and "proud".

In regards to the OP, I would also like to say that, having existed on both sides of the leash, I do not see any special inherent perfection, nobility, purity, etc., in being a slave OR in being a Keeper, per se. I don't find the love of a servant to be any more perfect, undeserved, or unattainable than love in general, nor do I find service without romantic attachment to be unfulfilling, unworthy, disrespecting of the service, etc., In fact, I find the issue of love to be completely irrelevant to acceptance of grace, dignity, pride in service, pride as a Keeper, etc. They are two entirely different types of relationship, and while they may intersect, it is neither required nor preferred that they do so, in general, whether or not specific relationships are required to have one or both.

Just my few cents,
Calla Firestorm

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RE: is a slave girl low? - 9/22/2008 11:17:04 AM   
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I imagine some do see them as lower... just as some don't... those are individuals.  I have personally known slaves who considered themselves lower, and some who didn't... those too were individuals.  I had a discussion about it with one in particular, as she wrestled with it.  She didn't like the idea of actually being considered worthless (literally "worth less", note the spelling), but she did like the idea of being considered "lower".  In talking with her, eventually we came to separate two concepts.  The idea of being valued as a person and a slave... even having high value.... but being of low status.  That is, her social rank or status was lower... a lowly slave, her place was beneath me figuratively and literally.  However, as both a slave and a person she had value and was valued... she was useful, she had a purpose, she could increase that value through merit.

High value... low status.  It worked for her.  Thought it might be a useful perspective to others.

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RE: is a slave girl low? - 9/22/2008 11:18:32 AM   
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I'm of equal value to him. If I weren't, then what use could I be? If my thoughts and opinions were of no use, then he'd be losing the best part of me.

Dominants who need to consider submissives as worthless are highly insecure imo.

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RE: is a slave girl low? - 9/22/2008 11:29:12 AM   
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ORIGINAL: ResidentSadist

Lower level of power?  - YES Lower in rank and command?  - YES
Lower in value as a human?  - NO Slaves are my subordinates and that has to beat strongly in their little slave hearts.  However, slaves are important as people as because they are part of the balance in life.


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RE: is a slave girl low? - 9/22/2008 12:02:14 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Aslanemperor

I told her no.  Quite the opposite.  I consider the love of a slave to be the most perfect and pure love attainable.  I see Slave girls as absolutely amazing and higher then any other.  I am a Dom because that's my part in fulfilling her needs, just as she is a slave because her perfect love drives her to do whatever it takes to please her Master.




Could not have said it better myself.  

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RE: is a slave girl low? - 9/22/2008 12:04:49 PM   
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Reminds me of the title of a Lewis Grizzard book:

"Shoot Low Boys, The're Riding Shetland Ponies"

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RE: is a slave girl low? - 9/22/2008 12:11:17 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Aileen1968
Slave girls are only low if they're told to kneel with their cheek resting on the floor and their ass raised.  Sometimes it's very gooood to be low.


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RE: is a slave girl low? - 9/22/2008 3:54:29 PM   
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Well I have no problem with someone saying "You are the most supreme partner I could ever imagine."

But that's different than saying "You are the most supreme partner ever in the whole world"

And I agree Ms TammyJo- it is wonderful that at least one person can and does though :)

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RE: is a slave girl low? - 9/23/2008 4:12:23 AM   
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I look down on my slave.

She is just under 5' and I am just under 6', so I don't have much of a choice.  That does not mean I don't enjoy the view....


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RE: is a slave girl low? - 9/23/2008 4:16:42 AM   
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Morning CL,

I read your comment as it scrolled on the D-ring and thought that SJ had posted, since those are our heights too!  (or lack thereof in my case)

well wishes ~ fairer


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