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-=Healthy BDSM relationships, the law & SSC from Forens... - 9/23/2008 5:56:43 AM   
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I can’t imagine what the colleagues of Dr. Bruce Gross think when they read his curriculum vitae and see his Forensic Examiner article titled The Pleasure of Pain.  I was very surprised when I read valid BDSM information and advice coming from the Forensic Examiner magazine.  Here are some excerpts if you need to be “sold” on reading the article.  Otherwise, jump to full article link at bottom of page.   

“There is evidence of BDSM occurring across time and cultures, with perhaps the most widely known example being the Kama Sutra, written by Vatsysayana in 450 AD as a guide to maximizing sexual pleasure (Vatsysayana, 1964). As suggested by the Kama Sutra and as raised by Ellis in 1927, “pain” may not be an appropriate term or applied concept in the context of sadomasochism, in which (regardless of the underlying reason) pain is experienced as pleasure resulting in sexual gratification (Eulenburg, 1911). This paradox led to a paradigmatic shift away from a singular focus on pain, as pain itself is not perceived as erotic for every practitioner of BDSM and may be included in only one of many BDSM rituals practiced by those who do. As BDSM includes the desire or need for submission, domination, and humiliation for sexual gratification (often without requiring pain), the definition of BDSM shifted to a focus on the construct of an erotic power exchange.”

“Clinical and lay views on the practice of BDSM range from its being a form of normal, healthy sexuality, to being reflective of issues related to vulnerability and intimacy, to its being synonymous with mental illness. While dominance and submission are generally accepted as normal aspects of the continuum of sexual behavior, sadism and masochism are less so. In light of the fine line between pleasure and pain, it has been hypothesized that BDSM is associated with an atypically high pain threshold. As endorphins are autonomically released in response to both pleasure and pain, it has also been suggested that BDSM is associated with abnormally high levels of endorphins reinforcing an initial experimental or accidental experience with BDSM.”

“Within the BDSM subculture, there exists a division in thought (and in practice) related to safety measures (Masters et al., 1995). On one side are those who believe BDSM requires heightened risk to achieve heightened pleasure. The requisite imbalance of power becomes illusory when the interaction is negotiated and scripted, drawing emphasis to the difference in authenticity between playing a sexual sadist/masochist and being one. On the other side of the ongoing controversy are those who are adamant that the transfer or surrender of power and control should always be negotiated in advance.”

“The social and legal expectation for all sexual encounters is that each party has given informed consent and that each will respect and behaviorally conform to the other’s “no.” Without both elements a sexual act becomes a punishable crime.”

“Compared to more traditional or vanilla sex, the potential for missing or misreading a partner’s “no” is far greater in BDSM, given that the identifying power imbalance is manifested in signs of servitude, acts of blind obedience, desperate begging, vigorous resistance, and complaints of pain.”

“An increasing number of states are enacting mandatory arrest laws in situations of domestic violence that could potentially result in the arrest of one party (most likely the top) if for any reason the police are called to the location of the BDSM scene.”

“Those who advocate safe, sane, consensual (SSC) BDSM—also known as riskaware-consensual-kink (RACK)—recommend establishing safe-words (other than “no” or “stop”) that once spoken by either party will immediately stop the scene. If gagging is part of the sexual experience, a safe-sign should be created as well.”

“As a result of this normalization through familiarity, by the mid-1980s BDSM was no longer considered inherently indicative of mental illness.” “With the revisions made to the DSMIV in 2000, sexual sadism/masochism can be diagnosed if the fantasies or urges are acted upon, even if the individual does not suffer consequent distress or impaired functioning (APA, 2000). As noted by Masters et al., there are individuals with sadistic or masochistic fantasies that, while ego-dystonic, do not result in a level of distress sufficient for diagnosis and do not meet the criteria for obsessive-compulsive disorder (Masters et al., 1995).”

“Healthy relationships are characterized by mutual trust and respect manifested in the negotiation of roles and boundaries in interactions. When BDSM is part of a relationship, this negotiation of roles and boundaries is critically important not only for the health and survival of the relationship, but also that of the individuals involved.”

The entire article is eloquent, informative, well researched and well written.  I have never seen someone wrap up BDSM so thoroughly in a nice 6 page read like this before.  Although short, it covers the origins, practice, cultures, SSC, legal consent, TPE vs D/s, legal issues, legal exposure of practitioners, beating the law, safety, psychology and etc.  Hell, he even claims it’s normal and is one of the few doctors I’ve seen to associate algolagnia with SM.  If the article presents nothing interesting to you I at least hope you enjoy the irony of the source being the Forensic Examiner as much as I did.  Someone buy Dr. Bruce Gross a beer will ya! 

Refernce:
Forensic Examiner, Vol:15, Issue:1,  Date: Spring 2006,  Pg: 56 – 61
Article: The Pleasure of Pain
By Bruce Gross Ph.D.
Format: PDF
http://www.theforensicexaminer.com/pdfs/spring06.pdf
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Please note: although this a magazine publication it is not BDSM in the news.

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RE: -=Healthy BDSM relationships, the law & SSC from Fo... - 9/23/2008 9:35:17 AM   
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Thank you for this RS, I'm considering printing it up and sending it to both the Detective of the local SVU and the deputy who handled my rape case so poorly due to my being involved in "bondage dominance and satanic masturbation". I only wish more people in these fields were as educated on this topic as Dr. Bruce seems to be.

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RE: -=Healthy BDSM relationships, the law & SSC from Fo... - 9/23/2008 9:55:19 AM   
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This is an amazing article. I am very grateful for the link to it. There are a couple of points for me at least that the article raises.
Firstly, as some are aware, i am myself a therapist. Indeed i was asked just two days ago why did not become a clinician. (The dividing lines may be somewhat different in the UK than in the US but basically i am qualified, insured, registered to practice but do not have a medical qualification.). I answered that i am not a clinician because i do not particularly agree with the process of and labelling by diagnosis. i have alsways worked from what is known in the trade as the experiential-phenomological approach.
Based on the fact that the DSM IV and ICD both have text revisions, it seems that when we least understand an issue we lable it a syndrome and it thus ONLY BECOMES A DISORDER WHEN WE LOOK FOR IT AND FIND GREATER PREVALENCE. i put that in capitalisation because i hope to point out the fallacy of labelling.
i myself would be absolutely atypical and indeed not even fit within the articles dicussed parameters.
Whilst i have no doubt that throughout adolescence and my drug taking/risk taking twenties i was ego-dystonic, now i am relatively ecstatic about who i am and what i want to be as i have grown towards the resolution of the two. i also disagree with the premise that as a person involved in bdsm i have a relatively high pain threshold. i simply do not. it fucking hurts and it hurts as badly as it ever did regardless of my exposure/tolerance/sensitivity to pain.

But the world of the clinician is perched in an ivort tower: one which exerts a great deal of pervasive power in this world. And so of course i welcome any attempt to clarify bdsm within a scientific framework. great also to see historical references made. One wonders sometimes why so many empirical studies simply sweep history aside.


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RE: -=Healthy BDSM relationships, the law & SSC from Fo... - 9/23/2008 10:00:08 AM   
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quote:

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Thank you for this RS, I'm considering printing it up and sending it to both the Detective of the local SVU and the deputy who handled my rape case so poorly due to my being involved in "bondage dominance and satanic masturbation". I only wish more people in these fields were as educated on this topic as Dr. Bruce seems to be.

Satanic masturbation? You mean the cops rely on the reality of the Devil but not on the relaity of bdsm?

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RE: -=Healthy BDSM relationships, the law & SSC from Fo... - 9/23/2008 10:25:39 AM   
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Excellent article, RS. Thanks for the link.
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RE: -=Healthy BDSM relationships, the law & SSC from Fo... - 9/23/2008 11:38:35 AM   
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It appears so.  I don't think he even knew such a thing as BDSM existed before then. 

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RE: -=Healthy BDSM relationships, the law & SSC from Fo... - 9/23/2008 5:02:38 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: SlaveSimone
Thank you for this RS, I'm considering printing it up and sending it to both the Detective of the local SVU and the deputy who handled my rape case so poorly due to my being involved in "bondage dominance and satanic masturbation". I only wish more people in these fields were as educated on this topic as Dr. Bruce seems to be.

Being that The Forensic Examiner is a registered trademark of the American Board of Forensic Examiners and is a publication of the American College of Forensic Examiners and Dr. Robert O'Block, it certainty seems to qualify as a peer reviewed publication.  The article should carry some weight as they are carefully scrutinized and reviewed before being published.  Often an author has to edit and rewrite several times before a submission is finally accepted if at all.  My father and girlfriend are doctors so I know how hard it is to get published in peer reviewed publications.

Whatever you choose to do, I am glad you enjoyed the article.  Good luck with the rape case.   Satanic masturbation brings a thousand jibes and funny flirtations to my mind but I will exercise good taste and refrain out of respect to the frustration of your situation.

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RE: -=Healthy BDSM relationships, the law & SSC from Fo... - 9/23/2008 7:25:40 PM   
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Thank you, ResidentSadist, for this link. The article is very informative, very professional in it's neutral approach to BDSM (on the one hand, it acknowledges the potential dangers, on the other, it doesn't use the potential dangers as an excuse to condemn those who practice BDSM), and I think the good doctor deserves a medal for his contribution to public awareness and acceptance. Just a shame this article wasn't published in a dozen magazines rather than one. Oh, well... one can wish. ~laughs~

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RE: -=Healthy BDSM relationships, the law & SSC from Fo... - 9/23/2008 7:34:02 PM   
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I am also very sorry, SlaveSimone, to hear about how the legal system has thoroughly abused you. Just because you are a participant in power-based sexplay does NOT remove your right to tell somebody no and have it respected. As to "Satanic masturbation"... Excuse My outburst, but what the FUCK are they talking about? Can someone even DEFINE Satanic masturbation for Me? Unless you're riding a blow up doll of Lucifer, it doesn't happen.

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RE: -=Healthy BDSM relationships, the law & SSC from Fo... - 9/23/2008 8:03:32 PM   
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Thank you, ResidentSadist, for this link. The article is very informative, very professional in it's neutral approach to BDSM (on the one hand, it acknowledges the potential dangers, on the other, it doesn't use the potential dangers as an excuse to condemn those who practice BDSM), and I think the good doctor deserves a medal for his contribution to public awareness and acceptance. Just a shame this article wasn't published in a dozen magazines rather than one. Oh, well... one can wish. ~laughs~

It was far too great a treasure to leave buried in forensic magazine, I had to post a link to it.  It feels like he jammed 10 books into 6 pages.  I am so glad you enjoyed it too.

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RE: -=Healthy BDSM relationships, the law & SSC from Fo... - 9/24/2008 3:32:52 AM   
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I disagree with his basic definition that humiliation is required for sexual gratification with BDSM.
However, that's a relatively minor quibble.

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RE: -=Healthy BDSM relationships, the law & SSC from Fo... - 9/24/2008 7:30:10 PM   
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 Due to ignorance and stupidity on both the part of the Deputy and the Detective, the process of dealing with them was about as equally traumatizing to the actual event, but I'm able to look back on the whole satanic masturbation thing and laugh.  I'm guessing it might involve masturbation with a cross? 

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RE: -=Healthy BDSM relationships, the law & SSC from Fo... - 9/26/2008 7:47:57 AM   
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While it was undoubtedly a good article, and thank you RS for the link, it is, not unsurprisingly, still bogged down with an emphasis on sex and psychology. While bdsm CAN be sexual, not all aspects of it are always sexual for Me. So for eg, bondage is not always sexual for Me, I just love using rope on a sub's body. It's not essential that he or I get turned on, let alone actually have sex! And humiliation rarely enters into it for Me, either as a Domme or as a sub.

I don't fit any of their "theories" - no childhood sexual trauma, I don't think My hormones are unduly wild (and if they were, explain how they've made Me both Domme and sub!), and I had no early experiences or observations of bdsm to become reinforced. And I'm definitely not a young boy being spanked over mother's knee LOL! In fact, as a child I NEVER got spanked, My parents didn't believe in physical discipline (they preferred the mental torture of making Me sit in a chair with nothing to do!). I have sometimes wondered if My love of spanking (AND of being spanked as a sub) stem from some sense of having "missed out" when I was a kid. But that doesn't fit the pretty theory ...

Neither does the idea that bdsm is associated with an atypically high pain threshold. Not for me anyway! i squeal from pain as much as anyone else! And while he mentions endorphins, he doesn't seem to have a particularly good handle on that which is subspace ... and why subs might want to go there. Also don't agree that someone who is dominant in everyday life will necessary be submissive in private and vice versa. I've met plenty of people who are dominant in everyday life and in their bdsm life, others that are submissive throughout, some for whom the theory applies ... and others like Me who may operate equally well in either or both roles, irregardless of which role we are currently using in daily life. The article seems to concentrate on people who incorporate some bdsm-like play into their sex lives, as opposed to D/s lifestylers who live in their role continually and therefore link it less obviously to sex.

I'm also not sure I agree that there is "far greater potential for misreading no in bdsm than in vanilla sex" ... simply because so much air time is given to safewords and safe gestures in bdsm, as well as concepts such as SSC and RACK. Those things don't rate a mention in vanilla-land ... so someone can blithely continue believing that "she didn't really mean no" with the girl having no other recourse for stopping the action.

All that said, it is GREAT to have such an article out there in a refereed journal. May it spark some interest in studying bdsm further! It's sadly overdue ...

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RE: -=Healthy BDSM relationships, the law & SSC from Fo... - 9/26/2008 8:40:12 AM   
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That was a wonderful link RS, thank you for posting it.  I appreciated the objectivity in the article, although I have to agree with one of the previous posts that I do not fall into any of the supposed categories of reasons people are attracted to BDSM.  I even learned more about the law- thanks again!

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RE: -=Healthy BDSM relationships, the law & SSC from Fo... - 9/27/2008 12:37:51 AM   
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Absolutely fascinating, and a good read!

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