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AquaticSub -> RE: Can a skilled Dominant be sufficient to help a sub with a drug problem? (9/24/2008 2:34:37 PM)

~Fast Reply~

I feel very strongly that, in many/most cases, it is unethical and a rotten idea to treat family members and friends. The more serious the problem, the worse an idea it is. The attachment clouds one's judgement, no matter how pure the intentions or how successful a few people may be at it. It is my opinion that it would be better for a dominant to use their authority to enroll the submissive in a treatment program and check up on their progress.

As already pointed out, being a supportive partner does not require one to be dominant or submissive.




lronitulstahp -> RE: Can a skilled Dominant be sufficient to help a sub with a drug problem? (9/24/2008 2:37:27 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Alumbrado

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ORIGINAL: youngstownsubm

For subs with serious drug problems, can a skilled Dominant be sufficient to cure them of it?

I talked with a Domme in #subs_for_Dommes who said She had taken in a sub who was a meth addict and cured him of his addiction, so I tend to think this is possible.



Exactly the same chances as a 'skilled Dominant' curing cancer.
LMFAO!!!!
Diet Dr.Pepper burns the nasal passages...just sayin'......




Kana -> RE: Can a skilled Dominant be sufficient to help a sub with a drug problem? (9/24/2008 4:16:48 PM)

Hell no!
Its irresponsible
It can be fatal
And in some cases it could be considered practicing medicine without a license.






oceanwynds -> RE: Can a skilled Dominant be sufficient to help a sub with a drug problem? (9/24/2008 4:46:01 PM)

i use to be an drug addict. i am 30 years clean. when i got clean my husband told me he would not help pick me up. If i was going to heal myself, then i needed to want it bad enough to crawl out of my hole by myself. Best gift he gave me. He did not become my Higher Power, because he knew if i counted on that i would never heal. When he died 3 yrs ago, i did not go back to drugs. i didnt lose my Higher Power, but i lost one of the most important persons of my life. i still have an addictive personality, that i will admit. When hubby died, i had no experience of taking care of me. i wanted to learn independence. Along came Sir a year later, and he too will not let me become addicted to him. Instead he let me fall and get myself out of my emotional hole. He taught me how to become financially independent. Hubby's health wiped us out completely with finances. Sir is helping me to become all i can be to be independent. He will not pick me up when things get bad. He will not pick me up when life outside of me goes crazy. Says He will not fix me. Again, i am grateful for that. i do have a Higher Power, Goddess and i hold tight to Her. Through all this i am learning to serve Sir in a healthy way, because i have my self esteem and self worth back. Both Hubby and Sir cared enought to let me fall and climb out of my own pit. To use a Dominant to pull you out of your pit and help you heal is another excuse to remain addicted. Instead of the drugs or alcohol you become addicted to your Dominant. When that Dominant leaves, what do you have? Get well first, then you will have something to give to a Dominant.

oceanwynds




housemouse61 -> RE: Can a skilled Dominant be sufficient to help a sub with a drug problem? (9/24/2008 4:58:46 PM)

If i may expand on SailingBum's reply...

They do, indeed, need professional help.  BUT, they also need to *want* and be willing to accept that help.  And they need a strong support system of *new* friends and family to stand behind them and encourage every step of the way.  One of the main factors that cause addicts to relapse is that it is often difficult for them to change their "people, places and playthings".  And in that capacity, alone, a Dominant can be helpful by introducing the addicted to sub to friends who don't use and can be supportive of the addict's desire to get clean and sober.  However, in my opinion, a Dominant should never take on a sub in a D/s relationship as the potential for "trap doors" is too great.  In the capacity of supportive Friend, a Dominant can do wonders.  But, to pursue a relationship with a submissive with addiction issues could actually do more harm than good in the long run.

People tend to change when they are coming off of addiction: even their personality.  Drugs and alcohol distort a person's perception of reality and when they get clean that, too, changes perception.  It also changes emotional make-up.  What was needed during the "clean-up" process may no longer be needed once the addict has succeeded in getting clean.  And during this time, it's not unusual for addicts to want to face life on it's own terms w/o a human "crutch".

As a Dominant, One can be supportive, encouraging and can even help with some of the "leg work" to get the addicted submissive to the professional help he/she needs to get clean. 





MadRabbit -> RE: Can a skilled Dominant be sufficient to help a sub with a drug problem? (9/24/2008 6:10:26 PM)

I don't know.

If we realigned the question to be "Can a husband/boyfriend/wife/girlfriend help a husband/boyfriend/wife/girlfriend with a drug problem?", what do you think the answers would be?

Edited : Because I am tired.




subtee -> RE: Can a skilled Dominant be sufficient to help a sub with a drug problem? (9/24/2008 6:15:38 PM)

But you're so beautiful...




Kalista07 -> RE: Can a skilled Dominant be sufficient to help a sub with a drug problem? (9/24/2008 6:33:50 PM)

No offense intended to the Op, however in my (professional) opinion i think you are still minimizing the problem and still looking for someone to take responsibility for your issues. Hell, who can blame you...If i could get someone else to take responsibility for my issues................well..................i'd probably be dead or drunk.
At any rate i did want to comment on your attempt for sympathy thing with the whole 'i don't have insurance that means i can not get good treatment' routine. According to your profile you live in youngstown OH. i found 13 treatment centers that are less than 15 miles away from  you.
Just follow this link and put in the necessary information.

http://dasis3.samhsa.gov/PrxInput.aspx?STATE=Ohio

Kali
(who's obviously too tired, old, and fed up with people's crap today)





daddysliloneds -> RE: Can a skilled Dominant be sufficient to help a sub with a drug problem? (9/24/2008 7:21:33 PM)

i am a drug addict; i'm addicted to nicotine.  after 38 years of such a habit, i'm currently trying to quit smoking,with the assistance of the new 'wonder drug', chantix...

since starting my treatment, i vomit every morning or at the least, have severe naseau.  i'm averaging 3 hours of sleep a night.  i'm a walking zombie who can barely mustre up enough energy to get up and go to the bathroom.  now, even coffee makes me sick, so i'm also going through caffeine withdrawls...

my dominant partner can help me by holding my hair before i barf; make me oatmeal to settle my stomach, do chores that i can't get to, and be understanding as to my lethargia and lack of excitement over anything these days.  that's as good as it gets in the helping me department!




christine1 -> RE: Can a skilled Dominant be sufficient to help a sub with a drug problem? (9/24/2008 7:26:06 PM)

i was born the youngest into a family of addicts...they are all now dead as a result of their addictions, i'm 42 and have lived 10 years longer than any of them did.   i don't have a lot of hope for "another", being motivation for an addict to quit.  from my experience, the addict needs to want to quit for themselves and be very motivated, even during the "holy shit" times.  it's a hard road i know, but the traveller on that hard road needs to want to be there.




IrishMist -> RE: Can a skilled Dominant be sufficient to help a sub with a drug problem? (9/25/2008 4:40:15 AM)

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ORIGINAL: MadRabbit

I don't know.

If we realigned the question to be "Can a husband/boyfriend/wife/girlfriend help a husband/boyfriend/wife/girlfriend with a drug problem?", what do you think the answers would be?

Edited : Because I am tired.

MR, anyone who wants to put forth the effort can help another with addiction. However, when an addict is ready to stop the addiction, they need professional help...family, friends, and so called dominants do not have the proper training to deal with withdrawl and the reasons behind addiction.

To answer your question...yes, a husband, wife, GF, BF CAN HELP with a drug addiction by being there for support...they can not however, be the professional medical help that is needed.




MercTech -> RE: Can a skilled Dominant be sufficient to help a sub with a drug problem? (9/25/2008 7:09:45 AM)

Hmmm, thinking back....

Perhaps a Dom actually helping an addict is shifting the addiction to being addicted to sub space.

Stefan




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