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stella41b -> Meyerhold's constructivism in the D/s and M/s dynamic (9/24/2008 12:38:40 PM)

First example: practising with a cane, a single tail, a flogger.

Second example: tying your submissive to the bed.

Third example: mentally preparing yourself to go into a scene.

The above are all examples of a psychophysical action influenced by something external which you do so that leads to a similar action, during the course of interaction with someone else to satisfy or fulfill an inner need.

But how do you know that the rattan cane hits the exact spot required on the pillow? How can you be sure that you can achieve the same result on someone's bottom? Or with a single tail?

How do you learn to interact with your partner during a scene? Where does this knowledge come from?

All the above are examples of Meyerhold's constructivism. Meyerhold was a Russian actor who maintained that the emotional is influenced by the physical and vice versa. Emotions can be invoked by practising and assuming poses, gestures and movements which as we can see go to developing rituals which we all develop in our dynamics.

This is my theory, that Meyerhold's constructivism is an important fundamental element of any dynamic. Just a theory mind, and I just wanted to share it to see what others think.

Just how much of what it is that you know has been acquired from external sources and developed into some sort of ritual? How much is spontaneous, instinctive, coming from within?

How much of what you do is ritual, and how much do you allow for spontaneity? How do you balance the two?




DesFIP -> RE: Meyerhold's constructivism in the D/s and M/s dynamic (9/24/2008 12:56:35 PM)

I'm not sure ritual is the right word. In martial arts you practice kicks and blocks over and over until the correct response is built into the body. Someone tries a certain kind of kick, and you respond immediately without thinking it over with the appropriate block. It seems to be a kind of muscle memory.

The same is probably true of practicing hour after hour with a singletail, you build in the correct posture and wrist position and tension in the hand to produce the appropriate action.




SimplyMichael -> RE: Meyerhold's constructivism in the D/s and M/s dynamic (9/24/2008 1:18:01 PM)

I think empathy has more to do with interactions than anything else.  You look at those who adopt rigid roles and their interactions are often rather shallow.  Look at how someone plays an instrument, it isn't "scientific" it is an art, they learn when to press, when to pull, how hard and it isn't a conscious process, they are listening to the end result and manipulating.

When I turn objects on the lathe, I know where I want to end up but I don't think how hard to press or how fast to roll the skew, I just move so the shape I want appears.  Same with making love to a woman, my hands and tongue weren't trained on a pillow, and what works for one often doesn't for another, one simply DOES, looking for that sweet music to fill the air.

When I do a scene, there is rarely a plan, rarely an agenda other than to make it hot for both of us.  I watch, I listen, I even smell, part of it is concscious but much of it goes on without me noticing, I might sense she needs to be emotionally cared for, a bit of love and softness or she might need to have her face shoved into the corner while use her as only I can for what only I may.

Nah, it isn't something that is forced, nor can it be trained, it must simply be done.




RCdc -> RE: Meyerhold's constructivism in the D/s and M/s dynamic (9/24/2008 2:05:52 PM)

It can be forced.  It can be trained.  And it can be done.  But it isn't constructive unless it is felt and learnt from.
I have seen countless attempts by people to follow rules to simply fit in and they ignore the essence of what they feel and end up emulating a ritual rather than creating their own.
 
You can do everything to a tee - follow the rule book - live the game.  But unless you can empathise with the person you are playing with and be open and admit to your own desires, it is all just a game with players, rather than a play with actors.  So I would suggest that, Meyerholds theory could pretty much rock in terms of any healthy relationship.
 
the.dark.




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