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subtee -> RE: What exactly is an "undecided voter?" (9/24/2008 8:16:35 PM)
See? Why you guys always gotta be mean? I respected what you said about voting "other." You can't deny that you've championed Palin and McCain, can you? Have I ever intimated that anyone has to agree with me? Mostly the tee MO is to ask questions; that really wasn't fair. Within this thread, I take issue with those who say it's not been made clear the differences between the candidates, whoever they may be. Seriously, it's too hard? Do you disagree?

pusssnbooots2 -> RE: What exactly is an "undecided voter?" (9/24/2008 8:18:59 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: fearghusBut, I am narrowing it down. I have eliminated the following candidates so far: 1) Obama - too socialist 2) McCain - his running mate is too neo-con. 3) Bob Barr (Libertarian) - its Bob Barr .... do I need another reason? 4) Ralph Nadar - too 'one trick pony' Still consdiering Ron Paul, or maybe my cat. Oohhh.. can I vote for your cat too? I'm undecided also (registered Independent) and your cat seems the best option - for exactly the reasons you list above. I'm hoping after the debates I'll know which way I'll go ... but somehow I rather doubt it.

DarkSteven -> RE: What exactly is an "undecided voter?" (9/24/2008 8:20:44 PM)
We are all undecided at first. Some make up their minds soon, others wait till the last minute. But by Nov 5, the decision is made.

subtee -> RE: What exactly is an "undecided voter?" (9/24/2008 8:25:40 PM)
Yes, at first, you sexy beast, but the campaign has been in the media for over a damn year. Maybe 'cause I be Iowan I be a "decider" already.

Thadius -> RE: What exactly is an "undecided voter?" (9/24/2008 8:27:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: subtee Yes, at first, you sexy beast, but the campaign has been in the media for over a damn year. Maybe 'cause I be Iowan I be a "decider" already. Most folks don't start paying attention to the election coverage until after Labor Day. Except for those of us that are junkies and follow this stuff even in off cycle election years. [;)]

pusssnbooots2 -> RE: What exactly is an "undecided voter?" (9/24/2008 8:29:40 PM)
I am really a middle-of-the-road kinda gal. Both sides seem too extreme to me. That leaves me vascillating between someone conservative, with oodles of experience I can respect but with a rather surprising VP candidate and someone too socialist for my comfort, intelligent, but without much to back him up experience-wise with a VP candidate is a bit of a loose cannon . I see pros and cons with both. I need to see them go head-to-head in a debate and see who comes out on top in my opinion. Then I will have my answer. I think a lot of undecideds are independents who don't fall solidly within liberal or conservative.

subtee -> RE: What exactly is an "undecided voter?" (9/24/2008 8:36:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Thadius Most folks don't start paying attention to the election coverage until after Labor Day. Except for those of us that are junkies and follow this stuff even in off cycle election years. [;)] Iowans do because they're on our doorsteps and in our restaurants. I do because I'm a news junkie, and not just politics. But right now I'm really, really scared...

slaveboyforyou -> RE: What exactly is an "undecided voter?" (9/24/2008 8:40:03 PM)
quote: Shit, a mixup - I was actually making fun of myself with the 'back to the regular schedule' allusion. I've always enjoyed the courtesy of our exchanges too: never crossed my mind to try to offend you. Sorry if that's how it came across [&o]. Oops, I apologize. It seems to be a mixup. I've had some drama going on the last couple of weeks, and it's apparently making me hypersensitive. I'm sorry I took it out on you. I appreciate your clarification.

Vendaval -> RE: What exactly is an "undecided voter?" (9/24/2008 9:41:17 PM)
For certain individuals, being indecisive is a major part of their personality. They agonize over what to do, where to go and how to do it. They cannot make up their mindswhere to eat, what to order and whether or not to have dessert. So when they get around to voting they waver and weave back and forth like a broken down boxer before the final bell.

Hippiekinkster -> RE: What exactly is an "undecided voter?" (9/24/2008 9:56:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: subtee quote: ORIGINAL: Thadius Most folks don't start paying attention to the election coverage until after Labor Day. Except for those of us that are junkies and follow this stuff even in off cycle election years. [;)] Iowans do because they're on our doorsteps and in our restaurants. I do because I'm a news junkie, and not just politics. But right now I'm really, really scared... What bothers me is that many of the undecideds will buy the rhetoric without knowing what the words mean. For instance, the TPAYou claims that Obama is "too Socialist". Not meaning to be too adversarial here (hahaha), but I seriously doubt that very many who use that term understand what it means. I"M a Socialist. Obama is a Centrist; most definitely to the right of me. The US doensn't have a viable leftist opposition, unfortunately. I have vacillated somewhat during my life as to my political philosophy, but as I get older, I increasingly reject the politics of fear, indifference to the poor and working people, unconcern for the environment, active oppostition to Science, hatred for the Arts, scapegoating of Teachers' Unions, Xenophobia, sociopathic selfishness and greed, and racism of the right. I recall watching the RNC and seeing a SEA of WHITE faces. That, more than anything, told me exactly who the Repubs' constituency really is. (Johnson said he'd loose the South by signing the 64 (65 actually) Civil Roghts Act, and he was right on the money. Oh, the Dems are hardly perfect (and I'm not a Dem anyway. I'm a Green), but they at least are not the political arm of the US Chamber of Commerce. It's been my observation that the Dems lezn more towards practicality than ideology. At least they don't claim to "talk to god". It's the Repubs slavish adherence to the Chicago School of Economics Dogam and the discredited "research" of Arthur Laffer that has gotten us in this mess. Now the Dems have to try and fix it, and, mark my words, we will never see as much armchair quarterbacking as the Repubs are salivating to do (didn't Bernanke today blame this mess partly on "future administrations"? Or was it that other fuck?) I have never been so decided.

philosophy -> RE: What exactly is an "undecided voter?" (9/24/2008 10:21:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Vendaval For certain individuals, being indecisive is a major part of their personality. ...oh i'm not sure. You might be right, but on the other hand... not every decision not to make a decision is indecisive though[;)]

Vendaval -> RE: What exactly is an "undecided voter?" (9/24/2008 10:24:20 PM)
What indecisiveness looks like - [sm=seesaw.gif]

nobhobbery -> RE: What exactly is an "undecided voter?" (9/24/2008 11:43:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cyberdude611 Im not trying to bash anyone but what exactly is an undecided voter? I mean how long has this election been going on in the news? 2 years? How many speeches have their been? How many political ads have their been? How can anyone possibly be "undecided?" quote: Easy. Things change. If your opinion is not drastically changed by the things that go on in the news, you are an uninformed and dangerous voter. To be frank, if you haven't changed your mind three times during this election, you're not giving it enough thought. quote: Im not talking about independants and "swing voters." But they always talk about how some people dont make up their minds until they are in the voting booth. I just cant make sense of that logic. If you are making an instant decision like that, how do you know you are making the right decision? I agree with what Winston Churchill. He once said talking to the average voter for five-minutes is the best arguement against democracy. I also agree with Winston Churchill. However, I believe that you, sir, are the average voter. Understand, this is no insult; most people simply cannot or just don't put the thought behind their vote that they should, not because they're stupid or ignorant or callous, but rather because they have been confused and misled by the media and the people around them. Take your time to decide before you vote. If you're going into this election knowing who you're going to vote for, you are not voting correctly. The idea behind the platforms put forth by both candidates is that each is given a chance to convince you of their position based on the facts at hand. Two weeks ago, you didn't have the facts that you have today. If you were a McCain fan two weeks ago, you could reasonably not be one today. It's late and I'm tired, so I'm not going to go any further, but I respectfully suggest that you and everyone else give your vote more thought than you already have. Don't decide until you have all the facts; aka, five minutes before you step into the voting booth. And carry a portable tv with you, you never know what shit could go down before the buzzer.

philosophy -> RE: What exactly is an "undecided voter?" (9/25/2008 12:11:03 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Vendaval What indecisiveness looks like - [sm=seesaw.gif] LOL

meatcleaver -> RE: What exactly is an "undecided voter?" (9/25/2008 1:08:09 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cyberdude611 Im not trying to bash anyone but what exactly is an undecided voter? I mean how long has this election been going on in the news? 2 years? How many speeches have their been? How many political ads have their been? How can anyone possibly be "undecided?" Im not talking about independants and "swing voters." But they always talk about how some people dont make up their minds until they are in the voting booth. I just cant make sense of that logic. If you are making an instant decision like that, how do you know you are making the right decision? I agree with what Winston Churchill. He once said talking to the average voter for five-minutes is the best arguement against democracy. Let's get real about western democracies here and then wonder why people can't make up their mind about voting. Economic or socio-political systems aren't up for grabs in a western democracy, the same economic/socio-political system will exist after the election as before it. The same class system will exist and the economy will still be skewed to benefit the same people at the expense of the same people. What people are usually choosing between, is two ambitious, self serving, professional politicians with egoes that dwarf their capabilities. They aren't usually intellectual and don't think much outside of the box and they are usually owned by the party and sold to the highest bidder, which are of course the rich who fund the party for favours. Politicians say they believe in public service but nowadays there is certainly no evidence that they believe what they say. Now why does it take so long to decide between Mr Shit and Mr Fart? I really don't know.

meatcleaver -> RE: What exactly is an "undecided voter?" (9/25/2008 2:01:53 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou Well we don't have a democracy for exactly that reason. True. The constitution was purposely written as a conservative document to protect the minority haves from the majority have nots. With a little added propaganda along the way, the writers of the constitution have been enormously successful in protecting the rich from the poor. As Rosa Luxemburg commented, if you don't move, you don't feel your chains.

Aynne88 -> RE: What exactly is an "undecided voter?" (9/25/2008 12:41:59 PM)
Me too tee. quote: ORIGINAL: subtee quote: ORIGINAL: Thadius Most folks don't start paying attention to the election coverage until after Labor Day. Except for those of us that are junkies and follow this stuff even in off cycle election years. [;)] Iowans do because they're on our doorsteps and in our restaurants. I do because I'm a news junkie, and not just politics. But right now I'm really, really scared...

sub4hire -> RE: What exactly is an "undecided voter?" (9/25/2008 3:23:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Thadius Each election it keeps getting worse. So why keep banging ones head against the same dead horse hoping for a different outcome? If we are fed up with what keeps being presented, the time to make that known is when we vote, not in between elections. I am not saying there isn't anything that can be done between elections, I am just suggesting that this is the time when that voice can really be heard. quote: It is for these reasons why I will more than likely write in "none of the above" I want voter reform in this country. I want my vote to actually count. If enough people vote none of the above it will show the people in power we don't like what they have chosen for us. It will be a step in the right direction for reform. I hope for a day in my lifetime when I can vote in my choice for president and it actually count.

fearghus -> RE: What exactly is an "undecided voter?" (9/25/2008 6:00:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: christine1 quote: ORIGINAL: fearghus I am undecided. It takes so long because one keeps hoping that one candidate or another will actually SAY something. So far, not-so-good. But, I am narrowing it down. I have eliminated the following candidates so far: 1) Obama - too socialist 2) McCain - his running mate is too neo-con. 3) Bob Barr (Libertarian) - its Bob Barr .... do I need another reason? 4) Ralph Nadar - too 'one trick pony' Still consdiering Ron Paul, or maybe my cat. i'm undecided as well, and while ron doesn't thrill me any more than the others, i am quite interested in your cats name when it comes down to a possible write in. [:D] Her name is "Mudd" ... and in cat years she is probably closer to Jon McCain's age. I am thinking a voting for her because I don't want to vote for a LESSER evil!

fearghus -> RE: What exactly is an "undecided voter?" (9/25/2008 6:03:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Thadius quote: ORIGINAL: subtee ~FR I have nothing against undecided voters, although, as my comment suggests, it troubles me that they are the folks who will decide the election. I have no doubt that they will. What is troubling is to hear that it's too hard or [the candidates] don't say anything or you have to research. I don't know of other reasons to have not decided thus far, except for Thadius, and sorry, your championing of Sarah Palin really leaves your comment that you are undecided disingenuous, at least to me. I can't understand how anyone who intends to vote cannot have any idea of who they will vote for. It's not as if we're comparing Braeburns to Golden Delicious. They are pretty diametrically opposed and it is not NOT difficult to learn or understand what they say they will do. We have the Internets, it's all over the radio, TV, the newspaper. I don't accept, sorry, that it's too much of a burden to learn about the candidates, their policies and how they differ. They do. A lot. I keep hoping that Ron Paul will take up Barr's offer to be his VP. Even with the antiwar position they take, I like many of their thoughts on giving back some of the freedoms that define the American spirit and dream. I also like their thoughts on getting spending under control and fixing the insanity of the current tax system. Thadius, You may sway me yet. I DO NOT like Bob Barr, but I am a libertarian.

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