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Mental Health... - 9/24/2008 2:38:02 PM

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For those of you more up to date on clinical psycology or therapy...

I have heard that if a person claims to 'not feel' emotions or 'feels socially seperated from people', that it can be a harbinger of serious mental illness.

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RE: Mental Health... - 9/24/2008 2:44:36 PM

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It could be aspergers, but without clinical diagnosis that's just a simple guess.
It could be clinical depression.

Either way, the person should at least see their doctor if they feel this way.

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RE: Mental Health... - 9/24/2008 2:49:13 PM

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It depends on which text you read or clinician you talk to. Some of the texts will say that it's a Possible indication of a fairly narrow (yet relatively common these days) group of personality disorders that are dissociative in nature. Others will tell you that in and of itself, that one symptom means less than nothing.

Talk to a clinician and they'll almost Certainly tell you that it's a good indication of some underlying, deep seated, hard to treat, uncommon, dissociative disorder. Then again, the clinicians are the ones that are going to be making a buck from your therapy sessions.

In all honesty, if a sense of social seperation is the Only problem - I'd take a look at whether it's UnWanted social seperation or Intentional. Dissociation is one of the human pysche's defence mechanisms, to distance us from trauma either emotional or physical in nature. All people go through Some degree of it at some point or other. It is the Degree of such, and it's prevelance, that can (not does - Can) indicate maladjustment of some sort.

You might also consider that those who say they absolutely "do not" experience Any emotions are lying - either to themselves, or to you. They might subconsicously be Hiding from emotions, whether specific emotions or emotional responce in general - but they're feeling Something, even if they aren't certain how to sucessfully identify what it is that they're experiencing.

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RE: Mental Health... - 9/24/2008 2:49:35 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: wulfgarw

For those of you more up to date on clinical psycology or therapy...

I have heard that if a person claims to 'not feel' emotions or 'feels socially seperated from people', that it can be a harbinger of serious mental illness.

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...it can be...but so can a mild headache be a harbinger of fatal meningitis......best to get a specific diagnosis from a professional.

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RE: Mental Health... - 9/24/2008 3:00:17 PM

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i'm pretty up to date on clinical psychology....but of course, before we go any further, let's discuss a little thing we in the field like to call "billable hours".....

Seriously, seek a mental health professional if you have serious concerns. You may be surprised to find out that your company will pay for such help. Many people don't know what recources are available. Check and see whether your company has an employee assistance program, or something similiar...even without health insurance many jobs offer free counseling. (they don't want people going 'postal'

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RE: Mental Health... - 9/24/2008 3:01:48 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: wulfgarw

For those of you more up to date on clinical psycology or therapy...

I have heard that if a person claims to 'not feel' emotions or 'feels socially seperated from people', that it can be a harbinger of serious mental illness.

Any comments?

Well that really isnt enough information to draw any conclusions. A therapist would have to do an assessment to really tell if something is going on.

I guess the biggest question is onset. If this is a sudden change in behavior, you are more likely looking at something like depression. If it is something that has been ongoing since the childhood, teen years, or early adulthood, it is more likely something like a schizoid personality disorder or even avoidant disorder.

The fact that they are "emotionless" would sound some alarm bells that something is going wrong somewhere. But those two symptoms alone done equal a mental illness. More investigation needs to be done.

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RE: Mental Health... - 9/24/2008 3:28:01 PM

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or he may be vulcan.

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RE: Mental Health... - 9/24/2008 3:40:59 PM

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It could be aspergers, but without clinical diagnosis that's just a simple guess.
It could be clinical depression.

Either way, the person should at least see their doctor if they feel this way.

the.dark.

I was thinking this, as well.

Or sociopathic tendencies, or borderline, or....

A professional would best assess the situation.

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RE: Mental Health... - 9/24/2008 4:09:48 PM

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The first thing that comes to mind for me is sociopathy, but it could also be Asperger syndrome...or they're a Cylon...

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RE: Mental Health... - 9/24/2008 4:35:19 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: wulfgarw

For those of you more up to date on clinical psycology or therapy...

I have heard that if a person claims to 'not feel' emotions or 'feels socially seperated from people', that it can be a harbinger of serious mental illness.

Any comments?

Well as some one who has a psychological illness I'd like to agree with E/everyone else and suggest that Y/you don't just go with your gut and do some reading online and see a professional counselor who deals with mental problems such as feeling seperated or be it isolated from others...anything is possible so just don't take it with a grain of salt. That's just My two cents worth.

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RE: Mental Health... - 9/24/2008 4:54:08 PM

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Technicly they dont use the term sociopath except in court rooms. They are diagnosed with extream forms of anti-social personality disorder. Which might be what is ailing you. In a less extream case. Which isnt as serious as it sounds, my little brother has anti-social personality disorder. Its just harder for him to form connections with people, and he is just a little bit uncaring. Once you understand how it works its not so bad. It might also be a form of depression, or a form of Bipolar Disorder, as there are a few. I would suggest going to a psychiatrist, not a psychologist, that way if you do need some form of medication you wont have to pay another co-pay just to see another doctor for him to tell you the same thing as a psychologist did and then give you medication. If you have questions about your mental health it is best not to just wait and see how it turns out and if it goes away. Dont be scared about the lable of mental illness. Dont let it keep you from getting treatment. In many cases these problems are correctable. As a woman living with Bipolar Disorder 1 I know first hand what its like to have a mental illness affect your life. Its always best to get it treated. Who knows, you could be going into a Manic episode and if you dont get it treated it could end up getting much much worse. I hope you get well :D

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RE: Mental Health... - 9/24/2008 5:57:33 PM

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He describes it as a feeling of "a wall between himself and everyone else" or 'a emotional zombieness in which emotions are very dull or nonexistent". I told him to at least talk to a therapist, but he's afraid of being labeled and losing his significant collection of firearms.

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RE: Mental Health... - 9/24/2008 6:17:08 PM

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hey.

Dont push him!!!!!!!!!!!!!

He has let you peak past the wall. People with walls around them are that way for a reason. If someone comes thru the wall that is not wanted there- the outcome is horrific. [the potential is]

you could instead talk about goals. What the plans are. Then help him sort out which goals are stategic ...etc

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RE: Mental Health... - 9/24/2008 6:19:01 PM

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ORIGINAL: wulfgarw

For those of you more up to date on clinical psycology or therapy...

I have heard that if a person claims to 'not feel' emotions or 'feels socially seperated from people', that it can be a harbinger of serious mental illness.

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Taking too much Nyquil does that to me.

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RE: Mental Health... - 9/24/2008 6:25:07 PM

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He describes it as a feeling of "a wall between himself and everyone else"

That definately sounds like Intentional lack of socialization - even if it's the subconscious which is Intending it to happen. That sort of social dissociation happens for any of a number of reasons, and only someone who takes the time to study the specifics of his background and any other symptoms (specifically with his consent and Active cooperation and 100% honesty) will be able to determine whether it's cause for significant alarm.

(Oh... and take it from someone who has both an extensive firearm collection And a therapist - it won't make a difference unless he gets to a point where he's involuntarily commited as a danger to himself and/or those around him. If that happens, he's fucked himself by not seeking out a therapist sooner.)

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RE: Mental Health... - 9/24/2008 8:39:26 PM

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Could be a lot of different things. I can think of at least 10 different diagnoses (And, I am half asleep) that might have that sort of presentation.
Is it causing significant distress or impairment in functioning?
If so, how?
Not a reason for loss of firearms per se, lol. He's got 'em and unless he proposes to do something nefarious with 'em, it'd be difficult for someone to have them taken away. May pose a problem for purchasing more depending on the state and the diagnosis.
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RE: Mental Health... - 9/24/2008 10:17:33 PM

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There is not enough information presented here to really know what is happening to this man mentally and emotionally.

Is the way he is feeling a long term situation or something relatively new? Is he stable or have mood swings? Does any outside influence change the way he feels?

You should be able to call the local Hotline or Crisis Line in your area for recommendations on local resources. I advise caution due to the circumstances you mention below.

If he starts talking about hurting himself or others then it is time to get professional help ASAP.

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He describes it as a feeling of "a wall between himself and everyone else" or 'a emotional zombieness in which emotions are very dull or nonexistent". I told him to at least talk to a therapist, but he's afraid of being labeled and losing his significant collection of firearms.

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RE: Mental Health... - 9/24/2008 10:30:54 PM

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This sadly sounds like the beginning of another bad outcome sequence. Negative change in self perception...resistance to unlock the issue...abundance of fatality inducing items intimately close at hand...slippery slope of pre psychotic thoughts further separating him from feeling connected. For those of us with psychiatric backgrounds and or histories; we know how avoidance/ resistance /denial and the myriad of other stuck perceptions sink in and prevent positive movement.
Suggesting rarely works. Demanding is futile as well. Supportive concern might be best...with the statements of: if I see you getting worse and/or displaying these behaviors (as referred to by others posts) ; I will show you how much I care about you by making sure you are safe any way I can.
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RE: Mental Health... - 9/25/2008 3:02:45 AM

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I have heard that if a person claims to 'not feel' emotions or 'feels socially seperated from people', that it can be a harbinger of serious mental illness.

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RE: Mental Health... - 9/25/2008 1:51:33 PM

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He isnt going to be labled as anything. From what you are describing he sounds like he is dealing with some sort of anti social personality disorder... They cannot take his guns away from him without due cause. If he has no type of homicidal or suicidal tendancies then he will be fine. He just needs to go see a psychiatrist. Trying to get help from those on CM isnt going to fix his problems. Just do your best to convince him to go seek medical attention. Im Bipolar and I can still own guns, hell I even joined the military and built up bombs for a few years... They even let me carry around M14s, M16s, use 50 cal machine guns and M60s (my personal fav)... Mental illness doesnt automaticly qualify you as a threat to yourself or society. My brother with the anti social personality disorder is in the marine corps. Hes a machine gunner... So dont let the stigma of mental illness hinder him from getting treatment. Most of the stuff that he is thinking is probably a falacy.

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