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persephonee -> RE: Why do I have to pay attention? (9/26/2008 5:58:45 PM)

lally!...lally!!....are you okay???

For goodness sake....someone nearby check on the girl.....



lally3 -> RE: Why do I have to pay attention? (9/26/2008 6:17:10 PM)

[:@]  [&:]    ...............[:)]  im cool



Zechriel -> RE: Why do I have to pay attention? (9/26/2008 6:35:45 PM)

Good evening,
Well, it seems to me that either way he tells you to vote it is ALWAYS a good idea to know both sides of any issue. I may hate Xtianity or Sufism but I still must know what their beliefs and dogma are in order to decide to hate it. Besides, any knowledge is good right? What happiness than to acquire knowledge for its own sake? Like awareness/consciousness it is something that once you have it-no one can ever take it away, even under torture.
  Okay, long night I am being philisophical. But as far as the elections-I am Native American (apache) so "Americans" can deal with all the problems and debates that come along with taking over another's country and setting up your own government. Love it or give it back to us.
Love,
Zechriel  [sm=soapbox.gif]



djaleksandr -> RE: Why do I have to pay attention? (9/26/2008 6:51:37 PM)


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ORIGINAL: MadRabbit

quote:

ORIGINAL: markbugger

There is only one reason to watch and pay attention, it is because your Master says he wants you to.   It is because it pleases him to have you watch, any other questions?

Cheers,

Markbugger
Stafford, VA


Interesting. Do you find that line of thinking to be effective in your dynamic regarding things like....

a) Amputations
b) Selling your slave's children to the circus
c) Taking over their bank accounts and account numbers
d) "Hey, put your foot in this bucket of water and stick this knife in that electrical outlet"

Seriously, unless it's something where the reasoning behind the command is obvious like with "Do the dishes in the sink" and you have reasonable, legitimate questions or concerns, then the inability to voice them leans more toward a problem of "communication issues" rather than the pinnacle of ego-fueled super dominance.

Sorry to go off on a rant and maybe we'll just have to agree to disagree, but "Do it because I said so" is slightly below "Disobey me once and I throw you to the curb" on my list of flawed dominant clichés.

Good thing I am not strongly opinionated, huh?

/Flame on!


Amen!



catize -> RE: Why do I have to pay attention? (9/26/2008 7:05:28 PM)

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 they want a sub or slave with a mind and a brain.  


That's assuming the political speeches and debates are intellectually stimulating.



persephonee -> RE: Why do I have to pay attention? (9/26/2008 7:07:39 PM)

im watching it now and would rather rehash my feelings on faceslapping than listen to any more of their shit....im literally revisiting threads from June over here. Obviously im going to vote...but do i need to be punished as well??



NumberSix -> RE: Why do I have to pay attention? (9/26/2008 7:11:48 PM)

You listen and at some point you have an IOU from me that I will kick the dogfuck out of you.

A girl needs some goals, don't she?

6 



persephonee -> RE: Why do I have to pay attention? (9/26/2008 7:26:01 PM)

You say the sweetest things Sir....gawd im so sorry i moved...i literally had no idea i could get my needs met there...live and learn.
Hopefully, the kicking of the dogfuck will force me to vote in alignment with Your wishes, Sir....lets hope. im a tad unruly.



Missokyst -> RE: Why do I have to pay attention? (9/26/2008 8:00:02 PM)

...so they can feel more powerful for having their thoughts discounted and do it his way.
Brains are only for show.
Kyst
quote:

ORIGINAL: Morniel

Mebbe he wants both of you to listen, watch, and educate yourselves, then discuss.  A lot of masters don't want a "barbie doll", they want a sub or slave with a mind and a brain.



antipode -> RE: Why do I have to pay attention? (9/26/2008 9:54:45 PM)

You married or sumtin'?



NihilusZero -> RE: Why do I have to pay attention? (9/27/2008 12:27:45 AM)

The volatility of this thread dissipated a lot quicker than I would have guessed. Come one, people!

Meh. I'm probably too tired to offer up something coherent in the event there was a death-match debate going on anyway. Just as well, I suppose.




lally3 -> RE: Why do I have to pay attention? (9/27/2008 1:30:02 AM)

im not sure but i think people backed off for tsatske's sake -



littlekitten1 -> RE: Why do I have to pay attention? (9/27/2008 2:45:05 AM)

I don't know.. This thread saddens me.. alot..

I think that voting is not an issue that can be taken lightly, and please, please don't.
I'm from europe, but I'd give anything to be able to vote for this election, because whether you like it or not, the outcome is gonna affect more than just USA.
I think that voting for the candidate your master told you to is, in my opinion, VERY disrespectful for those who fought for voting rights.
In my opinion, this isn't a friggin BDSM game, it's USA's future.
And voting for someone else is like lying... Dishonest... The candidate would win based on dishonesty.
I don't mean to judge Tsatske.. But it's just my opinion, and this saddens me alot.




gypsygrl -> RE: Why do I have to pay attention? (9/27/2008 7:23:00 AM)

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My question is, if He is planning to tell me how to vote, why do I have to watch the speeches and debates that He keeps having me watch with Him?


Maybe because he enjoys your company?  Or, values your input in making such a weighty decision, so before he comes to any conclusion, wants to make sure he's gotten your educated opinion.  In which case, it makes sense to make sure you're educamated.  Or, he could just be an evil mofo. :)

But, my guess is as good as anybody elses.



WinsomeDefiance -> RE: Why do I have to pay attention? (9/27/2008 7:51:48 AM)

(pets the Mad Rabbit) 

Tsaske, As you have stated you are ok with things, just frustrated and ranting all I can say is I feel for you.  I almost wish (not really, but kinda sorta) that someone would just tell ME who to vote for because in this particular election, I'm stumped and undecided for the first time in - well, won't go there but you get my drift.  

I think that your Master wanting you by his side, suffering with him, is very sweet.  Or even better than sweet!  Maybe he's really just a sadistic bazturd who enjoys watching you squirm or has some weird  catatonic sub fetish.  It's all good!



persephonee -> RE: Why do I have to pay attention? (9/27/2008 7:52:53 AM)

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ORIGINAL: littlekitten1

I don't know.. This thread saddens me.. alot..

I think that voting is not an issue that can be taken lightly, and please, please don't.
I'm from europe, but I'd give anything to be able to vote for this election, because whether you like it or not, the outcome is gonna affect more than just USA.
I think that voting for the candidate your master told you to is, in my opinion, VERY disrespectful for those who fought for voting rights.
In my opinion, this isn't a friggin BDSM game, it's USA's future.
And voting for someone else is like lying... Dishonest... The candidate would win based on dishonesty.
I don't mean to judge Tsatske.. But it's just my opinion, and this saddens me alot.




Waaaaiiittt a minute...are you telling me that an innocuous voting thread on humble ole CM is the gateway to the admission that wiitwd....could be a ....*gasp*...sex game?



Worldly1 -> RE: Why do I have to pay attention? (9/27/2008 8:45:51 AM)

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ORIGINAL: lally3

oh good lord and you call yourself Worldly!!!

since when did being collared and asking for advice from other Doms become outlawed.


lally3 - I would have responded to you privately, with respect, but I could not find your profile.

We all come from different backgrounds, and our perspective is shaped by those backgrounds and what we have been taught.

I have attended several international bdsm conferences, and have been a presenter at some, and I believe that I am perhaps a bit more worldly than  a few people, and not nearly as worldly as many others.

My advice is never correct, except for me. Other people's advice is also not correct, except for themselves. We all have the right to express ourselves, ideally without fear of being attacked personally for our views. All of us have the ability to sift through the many opinions and perhaps learn something, if only what we would or should not do.

I was brought up in the bdsm lifestyle by old guard leathermen, where honor and integrity is stressed above everything else.

In that environment, for a collared submissive or slave to openly challenge his or her Domininant is not acceptable behavior. The choices are either submit and obey, or work it out, or remove the collar and leave. The choice is not there to seek advice from a group of total strangers.

For example, I was taught that it's ok to disagree, but it's not ok to be disagreeable.

I was taught that it's ok to disagree with someone's opinion, but it's not ok to criticize or attach the person who expressed it.

I was also taught that you never say anything about someone that you would not say to their face. If I had a problem with advice I received from my Mentor, it remained between the two of us and we resolved it ourselves.

Yes, it is quite possible that this girl has her Dom's permission to seek advice elsewhere. However, without knowing this for sure (she hasn't said), I can not imagine many Doms telling their collared submissive that if he or she disagrees with an instruction, that they are free to go to strangers in a public forum and ask for their opinions.

My opinion on this question stems from my background and training.

You may have a different background, and I respect both you and your right to disgree with me. I merely ask you to confine your disagreement to the view that is expressed.

Thank you for the opportunity to express my opinion again.

Respectfully,
W1



GreedyTop -> RE: Why do I have to pay attention? (9/27/2008 8:52:54 AM)

Worldly:

this is taken from the op's second post:
quote:

Yes, I am allowed to ask questions of others in the lifestyle. He, in fact, is surprised by how circumspect I feel the need to be. For instance, when a sisterslave was making me want to pull my roots out by the hair, one of my issues was I had no where I felt I could talk about it, since almost all members of our social group belong to CM - I think most don't read the forums, but how can i KNOW that? I joined a sub support group to have a place to talk, only to discover, that I had found the GREATEST online group I could imagine, made up entirely of TPE real time slaves, but, that, unfortunatly - all the members of our social group belonged there. (well, you know what i mean, all the slaves)

I do not air dirty laundry in public. Whine every now and then a little bit? sure. I am not really questioning His authority to order me to watch the damn debates. Honestly, I am just whining, because, with my current job hours, my time to play on the computer/watch tv/clean the house/engage in hobbies/art/painting, ect/talk on the phone - whatever - is done to an hour in the morning and an hour or so at night. (reading did not make that list because, honestly, i do get a chance to do that at work, on some days). So I am just whining about using my hour at night to watch some idiots yell at each other about to whom (instead of even asking rather) they should give MY money away. that's all.


Just sayin'



Worldly1 -> RE: Why do I have to pay attention? (9/27/2008 8:59:07 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: GreedyTop

Worldly:

this is taken from the op's second post:
quote:

Yes, I am allowed to ask questions of others in the lifestyle. 
I do not air dirty laundry in public. 


Just sayin'



Thank you for pointing this out. I had not noticed that post.

I believe that some of my other points may still have some merit, but I thank you for the correction.



GreedyTop -> RE: Why do I have to pay attention? (9/27/2008 9:01:17 AM)

:D  yes, you do have some good points :) 



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