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RE: Low expectation as they apply to Palin - 9/29/2008 8:33:37 PM

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Low expectations? She can hunt, fish, and knock out a grizzly bear with a single blow! If anything, she's more qualified than McCain!
It is worth noting, though, that I'm completely out of touch with reality.

Cool! Then you're apparently qualified to be Vice President, if you're a Republican.

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RE: Low expectation as they apply to Palin - 9/29/2008 8:37:51 PM

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      I for one am going to hope they have somebody good come in and lay hands on her in prayer Thursday night. Don't underestimate the psychological power of such rituals. She is capable of tearing Biden up, if she finds her footing and her own voice again.

     Out of her league? Somebody probably said that the first time she ran for city council from the PTA. Again when she ran for mayor, then when she took the appointment to the oil and gas commission. How many said that when she took on an incumbent governor in the primary, beat him, and went on to win the general election as well?

      I'm not sure what has been going on with her. She's a lot better than this. The wrong people prepping her, probably.

      I'll be watching the debate. Considering the week McC is about have in the polls, the pressure is going to be extreme for her to do well. They make movies about this kind of stuff, when the ending is right.

Well the right ending to this movie is she takes her minor league ass back to Alaska and entertains them for a good long time.....

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RE: Low expectation as they apply to Palin - 9/29/2008 8:45:47 PM

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Sarah Palin's abysmal interviews recently have lowered expectations to the point where all Palin has to do is not trip walking up to the podium, is this enough for you?

I don't think that this is what's happening. Rather than lowering expectations, Palin's abysmal interviews seem to be raising concerns for a lot of folks. It's raising suspicions about the McCain campaign's stated reasons for keeping her in a bubble. There are certainly folks who will love her no matter what, but they aren't the people the GOP has to worry about. kittinSol's quote from Kathleen Parker's article isn't an isolated phenomenon.

I don't think Palin will have to win the debate to come out of it a credible candidate, but she'll have to come across as confident and reasonably well-informed which doesn't seem very likely in light of the interviews. She might be able to pull that off if the debate format was like many in the past, where the moderator asks a question and the candidate recites their talking points, but that's not how it's going to be. The format will be the same as in last Friday's debate. She'll have to be ready to discuss specific issues at some length and not just respond to the moderator's questions but to Biden's comments. Biden can be counted on to shoot from the lip at least a time or three, but I suspect that it will not go well for her or for McCain no matter what Biden does.

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Does not McCain's selection of this train wreck prove he is unfit for the office he seeks?

No. Part of fitness for office has to be ability to get elected. These are very political times and he made a political decision. Things were looking pretty bleak for him last spring. They started looking up when the Democratic contest heated up. They looked even better when the Clinton supporters started getting angry about being told to sit down and shut up. I imagine he figures he has to go for broke, and that's what he did in choosing Palin. It definitely solidified his support among social conservatives and it got the attention of the pissed off Clinton supporters. It was a decision that would have paid off for him big in 2000 when the economy was good and we weren't at war, but the world's a lot more troubled and complex now.

I believe he made a mistake in thinking that they could pluck her out of nowhere and plop her onto the national stage with virtually no preparation. While I have no doubt she's politically savvy, she doesn't seem to be particularly quick on her feet when it comes to issues. Her handlers haven't done well by her - they haven't made the most of her strengths. They should have taken a page out of Jesse Ventura's playbook. Jesse wasn't up on every issue but he turned it to his advantage. That he didn't have positions on some issues meant that he was going to listen to what the voters had to say. Admitting that he wasn't an expert gave him a stable spot from which to question the professed expertise of his opponents. I think that Palin might have been able to pull this off.

It's still a long way from Nov 4, anything could happen, but I suspect that Palin will be a net loss for the McCain campaign.

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RE: Low expectation as they apply to Palin - 9/29/2008 8:46:41 PM

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Well the right ending to this movie is she takes her minor league ass back to Alaska and entertains them for a good long time.....

Only to come back in '12 to beat Hillary after the US figures out that Obama's idea of "change" was to be worse than President Bush II...

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RE: Low expectation as they apply to Palin - 9/30/2008 7:24:18 AM

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I'm not sure what has been going on with her. She's a lot better than this. The wrong people prepping her, probably.

Simple. The McCain campaign screwed up. They took a gamble on her positives outweighing her negatives, including her lack of having the spotlight on her. When she screwed up, they yanked her out of sight instead of letting her screw up, get past it, and get toughened.

She's been relegated to being pulled out for appearances, then stuffed back in the cellar so to speak. Any women angry over Hillary's treatment won;t appreciate Pail's treatment either.

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RE: Low expectation as they apply to Palin - 9/30/2008 7:31:12 AM

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Although Palin could have chosen to toughen up and to not let the GOP executives treat her like a mediocre student that has to be sheltered from sight - it's also that fact, that she obeyed her Lords and Masters, that tells the electorate that she is a weak minded politician.

PS: incidentally, the nail in her coffin has been driven even deeper by McCain himself, who attended an other interview Palin just had with Couric. Presumably, the aim was to play catch-up following last week's fiasco, but all it did to have McCain breathe protectively down Palin's neck and paternalistically object to Couric's spot on questions, was to show Palin for what she really is: a sad, lost little girl.

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RE: Low expectation as they apply to Palin - 9/30/2008 7:40:36 AM

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When was the last time they made a movie about a vice-presidential candidate???

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They make movies about this kind of stuff, when the ending is right.

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RE: Low expectation as they apply to Palin - 9/30/2008 7:44:41 AM

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In another one of Palin's spoon-fed rehearsed speeches she gave today about the debate, they stick in a line about Biden having been in the Senate when Palin was in the second grade.

I saw this on CNN. The line doesn't translate well into text. If you saw the video clip it was a sarcastic, condescending put-down of Biden implying he's too old for the job. Which left me totally confused since McCain is seven years older.

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RE: Low expectation as they apply to Palin - 9/30/2008 7:48:24 AM

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In another one of Palin's spoon-fed rehearsed speeches she gave today about the debate, they stick in a line about Biden having been in the Senate when Palin was in the second grade.

I saw this on CNN. The line doesn't translate well into text. If you saw the video clip it was a sarcastic, condescending put-down of Biden implying he's too old for the job. Which left me totally confused since McCain is seven years older.

Ditto - do they count on their own supporters being oblivious to factual references, perchance?

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RE: Low expectation as they apply to Palin - 9/30/2008 7:56:24 AM

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Actually I see Palin to be above Obama, she has much more experience.

Me too. After all she was mayor of Moosejaw or whatever the name of that Alaskan hellhole was.

And that stuff about being informed and articulate is highly overrated.

Besides, she's much more entertaining. We'll have daily stand-up comedy in the White House.

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RE: Low expectation as they apply to Palin - 9/30/2008 8:58:05 AM

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She is so entertaining I wonder if she is Michael Palin in drag.

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RE: Low expectation as they apply to Palin - 9/30/2008 10:55:54 AM

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I really am beginning to feel sorry for Alaska.

Maybe they will invite Cheney up to go hunting with her.........

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RE: Low expectation as they apply to Palin - 9/30/2008 11:00:56 AM

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Maybe they will invite Cheney up to go hunting with her.........

Oh, that was evil

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RE: Low expectation as they apply to Palin - 9/30/2008 1:04:54 PM

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The Heretic,

Oh, she's great when she has a script and a teleprompter. But, ask her questions, and suddenly, you're talking with Jerry Lewis from an old Martin&Lewis comedy movie...

If she's really, really lucky... Biden will get the flu. Otherwise, I think, she's going to feel like one of those wolves that she guns down from a helicopter.

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RE: Low expectation as they apply to Palin - 9/30/2008 1:21:18 PM

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Say, did Moose ever get back to Katie Couric with all those achievements of McCain?

Moose couldn't name a single major Supreme Court case after Roe v Wade. Hahahaha what a dolt. Being a gun freak she should at least have heard of Heller v DC.

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RE: Low expectation as they apply to Palin - 9/30/2008 2:35:52 PM

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I really am beginning to feel sorry for Alaska.

Maybe they will invite Cheney up to go hunting with her.........

heh . . . by now McCain may be having second thoughts and will suggest that himself!

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RE: Low expectation as they apply to Palin - 9/30/2008 2:59:24 PM

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and she can always go back to alaska to keep an eye on the rooskies

OMFG! Who's watching them NOW!

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RE: Low expectation as they apply to Palin - 9/30/2008 3:10:09 PM

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The other frontrunners, Leiberman and Ridge, were both pro-choice. McCain really had no option except to pick an anti-choice candidate to shore up the evangelical vote which he alone did not have. God had to become his co-pilot if he wanted any shot at winning.

Although representing the same party, Palin could not be farther from the ideals of the conservative movement's founder (Goldwater) if she tried.

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RE: Low expectation as they apply to Palin - 9/30/2008 10:08:47 PM

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And here is Moose ducking Couric's question about what news sources she reads...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRkWebP2Q0Y
Rumor has it she's painstakingly working her way through My Pet Goat, Shrubbie's window on the world.

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RE: Low expectation as they apply to Palin - 10/1/2008 1:52:13 AM

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Anyone see Countdown with Keith Olbermann? Oh...oh dear...she practiced for the VP debate, I think, in front of a creek, for one thing. Yeah, there were these to podiums...outside...in the grass...in front of a creek. I know this because I saw a picture of it, and I can only assume it wasn't made in Photoshop.
...Well, alright, then.

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