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Position Questions - 12/3/2005 6:11:39 AM   
snellbucket


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Status: offline 		Hello Slaves..

I've met a master who is going to meet my needs. I am really into being bound and gagged in many different ways and lenghts of time.

However, I am very new at it. He has asked for limits and we will train from there.

He said he wants to quickly work me up to strappado but I am not sure if I can handle that right away.

Any thoughts on how to settle and endure the pain of strappado?
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RE: Position Questions - 12/3/2005 9:12:21 AM   
ginawithaB


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ORIGINAL: snellbucket

Hello Slaves..

I've met a master who is going to meet my needs. I am really into being bound and gagged in many different ways and lenghts of time.

However, I am very new at it. He has asked for limits and we will train from there.

He said he wants to quickly work me up to strappado but I am not sure if I can handle that right away.

Any thoughts on how to settle and endure the pain of strappado?



Ok, I'll bite...what in the world is Strappado? And what is the rush? Slow down, cowboy! If you just joined cm on the 28th (Sunday?) and just met this guy here, I think it's pretty safe to say you don't know him well enough to be able to say he is going to meet your needs. He may be into some of the same things you are, but that's two different things. And sounds to me like he wants to go full steam ahead and skip the getting to know you part...which is fine, if it's just for play...but you need to talk with him abt safe words, safe calls and plans for aftercare...those are part of your needs and you need to be sure he is ready, willing and able to step in and do what's necessary to fill those crucial needs as well as your needs/desires for kink.

Go easy, brother and take care of you.

gina

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RE: Position Questions - 12/3/2005 9:32:47 AM   
IrishMist


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quote:

ORIGINAL: snellbucket

Hello Slaves..

I've met a master who is going to meet my needs. I am really into being bound and gagged in many different ways and lenghts of time.

However, I am very new at it. He has asked for limits and we will train from there.

He said he wants to quickly work me up to strappado but I am not sure if I can handle that right away.

Any thoughts on how to settle and endure the pain of strappado?



I have to agree, it sounds like you are moving way too fast. Slow down, take your time, and make sure that this is RIGHT for the both of you. Otherwise, the experience is going to be highly disappointing.

Best of luck to you :)

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RE: Position Questions - 12/3/2005 9:50:17 AM   
Krasnaya


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Status: offline 		I 2nd that...what is strappado?

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RE: Position Questions - 12/3/2005 10:02:28 AM   
mnottertail


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Status: offline 		I didn't expect the Spanish Inquisition. LOL.

Suspension by your hands, it is a little more lenient perhaps than crucifiction, but to be gagged as well............I don't know, you will be slowly suffocating anyway.......

You better have a think on this one..........

Ron

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RE: Position Questions - 12/3/2005 10:32:40 AM   
perverseangelic


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Status: offline 		From my reading (mostly of inquititions and witch trials) it's a little more than suspension.

THe hands are bound together at the wrists, and that rope stretched over a high beam. The rope is then pulled, strongly, raising the body by the wrists and dislocating the shoulders. For -extra- fun, weights are sometimes added to the feet.

May I ask -why- your partner wants to dislocate your shoulders? Ow.

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RE: Position Questions - 12/3/2005 10:36:34 AM   
Krasnaya


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Status: offline 		Ok now that that's been explained...

This is planned for your FIRST visit? I would strongly re-consider that. I am not here to knock anyones fantasy, but since you don't seem sure...

You have said that he wants to know your limits and you'll work from there. This being the first time you'll play together in person I don't see why you'd need to start at your limits. Limits are meant to be streched with trust and in YOUR time. Thats why its a "limit". I read your post in the other forum so thats where I got some of the info about your plans. Also...it doesn't seem safe/smart for him to LEAVE and have you in this seemingly dangerous position. If you do in fact begin to suffocate shouldn't he be there to protect your well-being?

Think about it.

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RE: Position Questions - 12/3/2005 11:27:09 AM   
Wolf1020


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Status: offline 		Limits should be worked up to, not started at IMO

As to dislocating shoulders I am asuming that the person wouldn't be lifted completly off the ground or in some way it would be modified to prefent that from happening, also to get the shoulders dislocated depending on weight could take more then the persons body weight.

That said I don't really advocate bondage on a first meeting, things that in effect trap you, prevent getting help, or are dangerous I think are best left to doing later on after more trust has been built. The sad truth is there are a lot of sickos in this world you don't want to end up tied and gaged for.

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RE: Position Questions - 12/3/2005 12:37:17 PM   
Krasnaya


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That said I don't really advocate bondage on a first meeting, things that in effect trap you


I absolutely agree. If you don't know what to expect I wouldn't wait to be in a helpless position to find out.

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RE: Position Questions - 12/3/2005 12:39:01 PM   
snellbucket


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Status: offline 		OK...taking DEEP Breath! Ok, done.

Yes, I am excited. Many years of waiting. And I've already met the master before and we just talked again about just going slow and discovering things. As someone said, we want to enjoy it and not hate it the first time.

So, going to go slow....thanks for the tips and my chill pill has been taken! :)

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RE: Position Questions - 12/3/2005 12:44:55 PM   
snellbucket


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Status: offline 		Well, it wont be a real strappado like you described, off the ground. Something like this:

http://www.aussieropeworks.com/images/JBC11905demo.jpg

or this
http://www.darkmachines.com/041203/006.jpg

And he will not leave the room...but as I said, we agreed to work up to it over time.





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RE: Position Questions - 12/3/2005 12:46:12 PM   
windchymes


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Status: offline 		Did anyone maybe forget to mention that the wrists might be bound BEHIND the back? That would pretty much guarantee dislocation when hoisted up. Being bound in front and then lifted sounds more on the tame side.

If it is behind the back.....this has got "be careful what you wish for" written all over it!

Wasn't this one of the torture methods employed by Ho Chi Min in the Hanoi Hilton???

(I'm not judging or disapproving....except for myself!....just asking!)

chymes

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RE: Position Questions - 12/3/2005 12:48:21 PM   
windchymes


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Status: offline 		Ok, the post directly above me wasn't there before I wrote the first post. So it is wrist-behind-the-back. And hopefully, only implied dislocation, lol.

chymes

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RE: Position Questions - 12/3/2005 1:21:45 PM   
mnottertail


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Status: offline 		OK, I will have that beer now, windchymes.

I kinda thought this is the stuff we were headed for, not dislocating shoulders, you are 35, OP and the other guy is how old? In front or above head arms is not entirely harmless as I have alluded to before. In either case, if you are hauled however gently off the floor in this manner of suspension, it has the effect of severely restricting aspiration by reason of stretching your diaphram. (no not that one you goofs!) Gagging at the outset is gonna be a problem for most. I don't know your physical condition or his, but it is gonna be alot worse for men than women.....couple reasons.....(nah, not gonna be pedantic about that aspect).....so do you lift weights? full shoulders, traps and pecs would help, not reps but slow endurance lifts. if you are a little paunchy( I didnt look) that is gonna be a harm. Heart or respiratory problems, either one?

Can you imagine the delight and absolute rapture you will experience when you are hoisted upon your own petard in this fashion? Thrilling; to say the least.......and the fuckwad drops dead in front of you. uh oh; oh no; I see your cameltoe...............LOL (but a consideration..........)



What's the escape plan, please?

Ron

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RE: Position Questions - 12/3/2005 1:32:37 PM   
snellbucket


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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

OK, I will have that beer now, windchymes.

I kinda thought this is the stuff we were headed for, not dislocating shoulders, you are 35, OP and the other guy is how old? In front or above head arms is not entirely harmless as I have alluded to before. In either case, if you are hauled however gently off the floor in this manner of suspension, it has the effect of severely restricting aspiration by reason of stretching your diaphram. (no not that one you goofs!) Gagging at the outset is gonna be a problem for most. I don't know your physical condition or his, but it is gonna be alot worse for men than women.....couple reasons.....(nah, not gonna be pedantic about that aspect).....so do you lift weights? full shoulders, traps and pecs would help, not reps but slow endurance lifts. if you are a little paunchy( I didnt look) that is gonna be a harm. Heart or respiratory problems, either one?

Can you imagine the delight and absolute rapture you will experience when you are hoisted upon your own petard in this fashion? Thrilling; to say the least.......and the fuckwad drops dead in front of you. uh oh; oh no; I see your cameltoe...............LOL (but a consideration..........)



What's the escape plan, please?

Ron


Well, a ball gag harness with straps around the lower head for the ball and upper head for the blindfold and one for the chin will be used too, so only breathing from nose can be used.

Again, don't worry now. We both talked today about going slow and he has ideas for the "mostly" first timer...

So has anyone been in this position as in the pictures?


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RE: Position Questions - 12/3/2005 1:46:29 PM   
mnottertail


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again, do you work out? What is your physical situation? Do you have these problems or does he? anyone who can render the glimmer of an opinion before knowing these, is ..................\


Look, pal, I understand it excites you, I once dove off a watertower because it excited me...........I lived....so that's me.

And you?

Ron

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RE: Position Questions - 12/3/2005 2:33:07 PM   
Krasnaya


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Status: offline 		With the ball gag I'm assuming theres no safeword being used, and you obviously won't be able to get out on your own.

I realize that you're asking for advice on how to do it and not if you should. What's exciting in theory isn't always safe/fun in reality, and you need some sort of plan of getting out of this situation if you decide that you want to.

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RE: Position Questions - 12/3/2005 2:57:05 PM   
perverseangelic


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Status: offline 		(The reason I responded as I did is that I've never heared the term used for something -other- than the interogation technique. I'd never heared it used for the "arms behind back" bondage. Thanks for expanding my vocabulary.)

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RE: Position Questions - 12/3/2005 3:55:38 PM   
LuckyAlbatross


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Status: offline 		As usual- it depends. It depends on where you body is now, your diet, your limit to flexibility, how actively you train and practice and other factors.

The one thing we can say is "time."

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RE: Position Questions - 12/5/2005 2:07:01 PM   
snellbucket


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Status: offline 		Well, I returned safe and happy from my vist visit. It was a good "training" session and a lot of trust was built.

The Strappado position, for those who want to know, was great, however, for me, feeling in my hands were about gone after 20 minutes. It wasn't as scary as I expected and very good for those who want to endure things.

I am very new but learning.

Is there a good position for long term bondage for those with some circulation issues? Straitjacket perhaps? Extreme short term is something I can work on but long term, not sure.

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