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RE: The Appearance of Ds - 9/30/2008 3:05:32 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Dnomyar

As far as the genders being the deciding factor. I would say mostly yes. One is there mainly to please the other.  


How does that work in same sex dynamics? Not a judgment, just asking your opinion and clarification.

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RE: The Appearance of Ds - 9/30/2008 4:23:30 PM   
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RE: The Appearance of Ds - 9/30/2008 4:58:02 PM   
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Ok, to the point: When witnessing the interactions of people in Ds relationships, do you find the nature of the relationship to be more often expressed in the words/actions of the Dominant or the submissive? Do you find the genders involved to be a deciding factor, or is it the dominant or submissive nature of a person to be the most common factor making one more, or less, expressive of the nature of that relationship?


I have seen couples that are both overtly expressing their particular orientation, or neither, or everything in between.  I can't say that one is more common than another.  Maybe it depends on the point of view of the person looking and watching?

In my own relationships...I think the expression of the nature of the relationship is done equally.  To an outsider, it may appear that the actions of the submissive show their submissiveness to me more than my actions show my dominance.  Or the reverse may be true based on how close the viewer is to us, and whether or not they can hear or see our more intimate interactions. 



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RE: The Appearance of Ds - 9/30/2008 4:59:11 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Dnomyar

As far as the genders being the deciding factor. I would say mostly yes. One is there mainly to please the other.  


Which is which?


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RE: The Appearance of Ds - 10/1/2008 1:59:51 AM   
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For Me, I think it's more the submissive's behavior, but that's because I think My own perception zones in more on a submissive.  It doesn't necessarily have to be something they do or say.  It's more the vibe I get from them.  I might not pick up so much on the energy of a Dominant, but a sub I can read from miles away.

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RE: The Appearance of Ds - 10/1/2008 6:40:45 AM   
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I think it depends on the two in question, CD.  I agree that every new thing that comes up shouldn't call for an act of Congress but if it's someone you don't know all that well and he wants to tie you up....well, once the sub is immobilized, what can she do?  I sometimes think dominants forget just how vulnerable the submissive is at times.  Just because I let someone flog me and I trust him not to go too far, that doesn't mean that I am necessarily going to let him tie me up and partake in a bit of knife or fire play. 


I understand the slowness when it comes to each new, more dangerous area of play.  I think though...and I could be wrong... that what Des is referring to is the D/s dynamic-relationship itself and the deeper, more willing/obedient/ less to "balk" submission that comes with each added layer of trust.  If she wasn't, then I was wrong in my thought...but it is what I was addressing.

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RE: The Appearance of Ds - 10/1/2008 7:10:07 AM   
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Anyone meeting me for the first time would not ever think of me as a slave..even when Blackphx and I are together, at first glance you would never know the dynamics of our relationship. However spend more than a few minutes with us and you know to whom my head bows and how much we are both involved and in love with the other. I am not sure if that shows in our speech as BP usually phrases his orders as requests even using please and thank you..and I rarely call him Sir or Master save where high protocols must be observed.

Perhaps it is best expressed in the fact I do not pull or move away when I am not in a mood to be touched, sniffed, pained, licked, bitten or have my hair pulled ( I hate it and have to fight the urge not to fight back against it). It is his right to do as he will, no matter my mood or desires.

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P.S. CreativeDom.. I will trust someone with my body far faster than I will with my emotions. My body will heal or worst case I will be dead..my emotions are a very fragile thing and once opened to someone, they have a method in which to hurt me over and over again for a lifetime. Yes, we can be very slow in handing over that trust..after all, you are recieving our most precious posession..our lives.

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RE: The Appearance of Ds - 10/1/2008 7:21:20 AM   
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Years ago, when I was new, it was those outward signs that I saw, the kneeling, the orders, etc.  Only after years did I begin to see other things (probably because of my own maturation process)  and there is one thing I look for.  To me, the dominants I admire share one quality, even if their dominance is very different than mine.  There is a part of them that is always paying attention to their partner in some way.  Not in a jealous or micromanagement way but in the sense of an emotional bond and care for them.  Same goes for submissives, that careful watching but done in a way that is at the same time almost unconscious.

Merc this weekend was a great example, in the middle of bossing her around, he told her to sit down because he wanted her to rest her feet.  He didn't make a big deal about it, but it is that attention, care, and concern, all while having her meeting his needs, was just hot. 

Many in my local scene have never seen me with a partner and a long time ago I was at a party with a wonderful woman and our D/s dynamic wasn't overt and she was looking smoking hot but not the least bit submissive.  So this person who runs a local playspace asked me what/who she was to me, thinking I might be her submissive.  At that very moment I saw over his shoulder that she was strutting into the room.  Keeping perfect eye contact with him, never glancing at her, I simply made our our signal for "toilet" a position that is a basic kneel, head back, mouth open, tongue extended.  We had in fact never used that signal in public, I made no overt attempt to catch her attention and yet she walked up, slid into position at my feet, ready for my use.  It was a very VERY proud moment for me but it was that attention she paid to me that was "OUR" D/s.  She had been checking out the party, her returning at that moment was a fluke but it was that connection, that KNOWING your other partner and almost psychically, certainly subconsciously that to me IS a major part of what makes D/s work.

This last weekend I played with a woman who is outwardly a "perfect" submissive, all those hot little graceful actions flawlessly exectued.  However, I can "see" that that grace, that training, is to ensure SHE looks perfect, it isn't about ME.  There is no D/s there in her actions in general.  So anyone watching us would "see" an intense D/s interaction but her and I both know there was none at the time.  Nobody watching us could see the ACTUAL D/s that was going on because it was almost purely in the energy and emotional interaction.  The first thing most men do is strip her naked as she has a rather splendid body, I have yet to remove any.  Why?  Because I want her truly naked, emotionally naked and that simply, at least at this point, isn't something someone can see.

I don't think one can "see" D/s at the level the OP is talking about until one can do it at that level. 

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