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Euro Falls Most Against Dollar Amid European Banking Fa... - 9/30/2008 11:49:05 AM   
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Euro Falls Most Against Dollar Amid European Banking Failures
Before everyone rushes off to meet Armageddon, it might be helpful to realize that the U.S. is in a surprising position of relative strength. As bad as the U.S. financial crisis is, there are signs that in Europe things are potentially even worse. If nothing else, the U.S. may be further along in identifying and resolving the "toxic" assets dragging financial markets down.

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RE: Euro Falls Most Against Dollar Amid European Bankin... - 9/30/2008 12:42:35 PM   
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I'm anticipating (praying for) a major rise in Sterling against the Euro to take it back to where it was (1.40 to 1.45)

This will increase my company's earnings by 15% at a stroke.

And I believe very strongly that there are a lot more problems in the Euro banks than they have so far admitted, possibly under political pressure to keep it under wraps.

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RE: Euro Falls Most Against Dollar Amid European Bankin... - 9/30/2008 1:59:47 PM   
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Most people know most of the key banks suffering in Europe are those that have exposure in the US housing market. The rest is just poor confidence and banks tightening their lending to other banks causing short term credit problems. How CL can isolate what happens in the US thinking it isn't going to have a knock on effect in Europe i.e. when people discover the strongest economy in the world is built on a house of cards and where people lend money not expecting it to be paid back, is beyond me.

We have a similar problem in the UK our economy is largely based on the housing market which is now finding a more realistic value and trapping a lot of people. Therefore banks are lending money at a more realistic rate so people can’t afford the houses they would have been able to in the past. Those that bought houses over valued will not be able to move unless they are willing to accept a loss. This is a cyclic even, seems to happen every few generations when people place the value in the wrong equities.

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RE: Euro Falls Most Against Dollar Amid European Bankin... - 9/30/2008 2:06:51 PM   
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Oh, how wonderful! The USA ends up in a shitpile, dragging the rest of the world's economies along with us, but at least the USA is near the TOP of the shitpile!

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RE: Euro Falls Most Against Dollar Amid European Bankin... - 9/30/2008 2:11:37 PM   
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So, you are of the mind that the American Government's greed and mismanagement of the economy enough to affect and bring down other countries finances is a good and positive thing?  We should be ashamed.



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RE: Euro Falls Most Against Dollar Amid European Bankin... - 9/30/2008 2:16:56 PM   
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Has anybody yet to say that this is simply part of the backlash from offshoring U.S. jobs?

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RE: Euro Falls Most Against Dollar Amid European Bankin... - 9/30/2008 2:17:08 PM   
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It's a global financial fuckup, it goes without saying, but the attitude of the OP is akin to the kid who stomps on another kid's sand castle and who's all happy because his didn't get destroyed in the process.

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RE: Euro Falls Most Against Dollar Amid European Bankin... - 9/30/2008 3:39:12 PM   
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Has anybody yet to say that this is simply part of the backlash from offshoring U.S. jobs?



This has nothing to do with the offshoring of jobs, and everything to do with the financial markets. Mainly its to do with bad credit, due to bad regulation. The only link with jobs is that more are likely to go.

Far from being in a worse position, Europe is in a better position, with the major treasuries taking quick action to stop the rot. The only worry is the world financial markets being stymied, until Congress gets its act together.

I am not sure what Pelosi was thinking attacking the free market. As i understood it her position as speaker should be neutral. Anyone who thinks this delay will help the US, and the world economy needs to think again. Its not a matter of socialism, or bailing out the bankers. It`s a matter of restoring world confidence in the American economy.

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RE: Euro Falls Most Against Dollar Amid European Bankin... - 9/30/2008 4:42:18 PM   
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It's a global financial fuckup, it goes without saying, but the attitude of the OP is akin to the kid who stomps on another kid's sand castle and who's all happy because his didn't get destroyed in the process.

No, kittin.....because no one is stomping on any sand castles. Banks worldwide have made similar investment and financing errors in judgment, and are suffering similar consequences.

That the American economy appears better positioned to absorb the impacts of these errors is merely an observation.

As an American, my primary concern is the American economy. Just as British are primarily concerned with the UK economy, and the French the French economy.

And, as an American, yes, I take a smidgen of comfort in knowing that, as bad as things are on Wall Street, they could be considerably worse.

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RE: Euro Falls Most Against Dollar Amid European Bankin... - 9/30/2008 5:10:21 PM   
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We live in a global economy. We have for quite some time. Sooner or later, we have to act accordingly.

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RE: Euro Falls Most Against Dollar Amid European Bankin... - 9/30/2008 5:12:46 PM   
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As an American, my primary concern is the American economy. Just as British are primarily concerned with the UK economy, and the French the French economy.


I think it`s a folly for anyone not to be concerned with the American market. Since so many Banks world wide have investments in it, both financially and with American institutions based abroad.

I wouldnt be in a rush to assume the economy there, is better than in Europe though CL. As i have said, the longer without a bailout, the worse the situation there will become. European banks have acted quickly to guarantee savings. America needs to do likewise.

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RE: Euro Falls Most Against Dollar Amid European Bankin... - 9/30/2008 7:45:43 PM   
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But the situation has dramatically changed during the past five years, and particularly since November of 2007.   This narrative will necessarily begin with the Japanese invasion of Manchuria at Mukden. That is a well known historical fact. What is not as well known and understood is the "Mukden Incident" which occurred on September 18, 1931 was, in essence, a subterfuge undertaken by a few junior officers of the Japanese army when they secretly dynamited the South Manchurian Railway (owned by Japan) to provide the motive for the Japanese military conquest of Manchuria which continued until the Japanese victory on February 18, 1932.   The most available explanation for the Japanese Manchurian invasion was that Japan coveted resource-rich Manchuria as a source of cheap raw materials for their burgeoning industrial complex. That explanation' s basis is true, especially given an increasing shortage of favorably priced raw materials which Japan had to otherwise purchase and import from other sources.   But there was another, and largely hidden, reason. In 1931, the Manchuria-China border was only a few miles from Beijing where the Chinese Emperor, Pu-yi resided. The Manchu emperors kept much of their gold and other treasury items in northern Manchuria just a few miles from the border, and therefore only a short distance from their Chinese capital.   Very shortly after the Japanese invasion commenced in southern Manchuria, a delegation sent by the United States Federal Reserve Bank to Beijing entered into negotiation with the Emperor. The Federal Reserve's offer was to quickly remove the Royal Treasury from its Manchurian location, and thereafter lease the contents of the Treasury for seventy years. In return, the Emperor received valid United States Federal Reserve bonds, maturing in seventy years, and in sufficient quantity to guarantee the debt as well as enough to pay the to-be accrued- seventy-year- interest.   The terms of the lease required the Emperor's estate, at the end of seventy years, to exchange the bonds with interest coupons attached, to the Federal Reserve in exchange for the return of all the Emperor's gold and other treasure, plus the accrued interest (to be paid in gold), to his estate's custody.   The contents of the Emperor's Manchurian Treasury were taken overland through China, and then by sea to Manila, Philippines, where the US quickly built and operated the largest gold refinery, at that time, in the world. After the gold was refined, some of it was sent to Switzerland where it was stored in extensive underground vaults under Zurich, while the greatest part was sent to the Federal Reserve vaults in New York.   Of course, much happened between 1931 and 2001, not the least of which was World War II and the Chinese Communist capture of all China except the island which was then called Formosa (now Taiwan). Pu-yi (the Emperor) remained a communist prisoner for many years and died as a gardener.   It apparently appeared to certain US and European financial interests who were interested parties in the leased Chinese Treasury, and it was probably their plan, that the Chinese imperial line died out, or at least was so impoverished that it had no means or power to recover any of their leased Treasury materials and articles.   So seventy years has passed.   In fact, the leasing parties grossly miscalculated. The Emperor, Pu-yi, had additional gold and other assets stored in protected places other than Manchuria-assets which escaped the attentions and discoveries of both the Japanese and Communist Chinese. Within the past two decades, much of that wealth has been returned to his grandson, a certain "Mr. Yi" who resides in Taiwan.   The ownership and control of the bonds which were exchanged for the Chinese Treasury were placed a number of years ago in the hands of certain surviving members of the Chinese royal family, and recently Mr. Yi.   So when 2001 came, Mr. Yi, The Emperor's grandson, by now a very wealthy and powerful individual, formally negotiated the return of the Chinese Royal Family's leased legal estate and the accumulated interest thereof from the United States Federal Reserve Bank (the lessor), in exchange for the Federal Reserve bonds and attached interest coupons. The returned amount of the Emperor's Treasury and interest was a very small part of what was owed.   A major part of the problem was that the United States Federal Reserve Bank, although owned by the United States Citizens by way of their Constitutional government, was operated from the beginning as a private organization whose assets were also privately owned, held and used (that included the entire amount collected from the Nationals/Citizens/ citizens as taxes).   The Chinese Treasury was divided for years among a number of wealthy and powerful European and North American interests, many of whom never expected the Chinese royal line to survive. Consequently, they never expected to repay either the principal or the interest due on the Chinese royal assets they held and used.   In fact, many of them have firmly resisted Mr. Yi's legal demand that whatever Chinese royal assets they held were required to be immediately returned with all due interest.   After some resistance, some of the Europeans holding Chinese Treasury assets returned some of the Emperor's Treasury, but that amount also fell far-far short of what was actually owed. */ snip

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RE: Euro Falls Most Against Dollar Amid European Bankin... - 9/30/2008 7:47:04 PM   
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Paragraphs.

A wonderful literary convention.

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RE: Euro Falls Most Against Dollar Amid European Bankin... - 10/1/2008 12:51:30 AM   
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ORIGINAL: celticlord2112

Euro Falls Most Against Dollar Amid European Banking Failures
Before everyone rushes off to meet Armageddon, it might be helpful to realize that the U.S. is in a surprising position of relative strength. As bad as the U.S. financial crisis is, there are signs that in Europe things are potentially even worse. If nothing else, the U.S. may be further along in identifying and resolving the "toxic" assets dragging financial markets down.


I think you should do a bit more research before you write off a whole continent. The extent of the financial infeection imported from America is limited. Britain is by far away the most exposed but it doesn't have the Euro. France has very limited exposure because people don't spend so much on credit and despite Sarkozy wanting to emulate US and Britian's credit irresponsibility the French have so far refused to go along with him. The Germans don't have a German equivalent of an American dream and the tax system is skewed in favour of people who rent rather than buy their homes, apart from that Germans are rather prudent spenders and tend to save.

America hitting the buffers is going to have an effect on the world, it is a huge market but just because the US is adversly hitting the eurozone (Americans are the German car industry's biggest market), it doesn't mean the EU has come of the rails too, most European countries didn't get involved in casino capitalism in the way Britain did.

One euro is still about $1.42. That is still along way up from its lowest point against the dollar which was 85 cents in 2001.

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RE: Euro Falls Most Against Dollar Amid European Bankin... - 10/1/2008 12:59:18 AM   
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Paragraphs.

A wonderful literary convention.
I've heard of those. How do they work? I'm curious about this punctuation thing, too. Any tips?

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RE: Euro Falls Most Against Dollar Amid European Bankin... - 10/1/2008 2:06:16 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Slavehandsome

Has anybody yet to say that this is simply part of the backlash from offshoring U.S. jobs?




Heh....It's always been my feeling that the real-estate/lending bubble is/was at least a partial cover operation to mask the final transitioning of a savings-driven, production-based economy to that of one with the hallmarks of credit-based consumption and service-industry wages.

Of course,you have to initiate somewhat of a soft landing while transitioning through the de-industrialization process.







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RE: Euro Falls Most Against Dollar Amid European Bankin... - 10/1/2008 2:36:00 AM   
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Has anybody yet to say that this is simply part of the backlash from offshoring U.S. jobs?



I'm reminded of Henry Ford who figured out that if he paid his workers a high enough wage that the workers would be able to afford to buy cars.

Some how in the last 100 years all bankers have lost this concept. I think it is the MBA mentality of quarterly profits at all costs.

It fascinates me to see Bank of America and Wells Fargo hiring foreign workers and then worrying about home owners not being able to pay off their mortgage portfolios.

Why don't they just make sure that homeowners have jobs with enough income to be able to pay for a mortgage?? Foreign workers typically send most of their paychecks out of the country.

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RE: Euro Falls Most Against Dollar Amid European Bankin... - 10/1/2008 5:38:27 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Paragraphs.

A wonderful literary convention.


Im sorry. I meant to edit that.  here is the source:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/atimetofight/message/6198

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