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Getting over PTSD - 10/1/2008 4:21:04 PM   
Bella73


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This is my first post, although, I'm posting under a different user name.  I'm hoping I can get some advice and suggestions from others that may have had to deal with PTSD.  I was sexually abused when I was little and it has left some pretty big emotional scars.  I have been in therapy and have resolved most of my past issues.  However, there are certain things that do still trigger bad feelings and memories.  Specifically I am unable to swallow when preforming oral sex.  I know this is something my Dom really likes and I want to do this for him.  He has never pushed me to do this but I have tried because I wanted to please him.  When I've done this I go into a really bad place and it's hard to explain.  Basically I freeze and just start feeling very strong emotions out of the blue...fear, anger, grief and I fight hard to hold everything in.  I would welcome any suggestions on ways to keep me from going into this "freeze".  One thing I thought about was to just continue doing it and hopefully it will just eventually go away?     
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RE: Getting over PTSD - 10/1/2008 4:30:07 PM   
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As someone that has suffered from this disorder there are aspects of it that you may never "get over", this is one of those things. You have a choice it seems to me, do this even though it upsets you, or be thankful that your dom does not require it of you and seems to understand that you have issues...

I would just keep the lines of communication with your dom, and see how important it is to him, perhaps experiment, and stay in therapy.

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RE: Getting over PTSD - 10/1/2008 4:39:48 PM   
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hi Bella....this is just sorta off the top of my head.....possibly try using your sense of smell to create positve memories...lighting strong candles or insense while with your Dom, a fave smell, but one to associate only with Him....i know nothing of PTSD, this is only a suggestion....~hug~

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RE: Getting over PTSD - 10/1/2008 4:41:26 PM   
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quote:

...One thing I thought about was to just continue doing it and hopefully it will just eventually go away?...


that's the tack this slave is using and it is working pretty well.  slow progress, but progress just the same.
it helps that this slave explained the details of the rape to Master and He is very encouraging and patient with her as she works to overcome her internal reactions to the same stimuli.
 
in addition, Master allows this slave to take medicine to combat anxiety that helps greatly to reduce the PTSD reactions as well.
 
best of luck!!!

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RE: Getting over PTSD - 10/1/2008 4:43:48 PM   
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Hi, Bella73----
I am so, so sorry to hear of the past abuses that have led to your developing ptsd.  That you have been working on/through it in therapy is a really good thing.  :>  Have you discussed this particular scenario with your counselor and, if so, what was his or her suggestion(s)? 
What you are describing sounds like you lose your sense of grounding when you attempt to swallow.  Are you familiar with that terminology?  Does this sound accurate?  What tools/techniques have you learned in therapy that have helped with you maintaining your grounding?  Do you think that those tools could be generalized to the oral sex and swallowing situation? 
Freezing, fear, anger, grief, holding everything in.  Those are strong things.  The first and last seem linked, the middle 3 seem a distinct grouping, though they, of course, all roll together. 
It is wonderful that your Dom is understanding.  I think that asking him for more help, to build trust and to better distinguish him from your abuser when you have those very strong emotions is important.  Also, to process and share the emotions above may help.  How can he help cue you to the present rather than the past? 
Without some effective symptom management, I fear that if you "just continue to do it", your response/revulsion toward the past abuser could generalize to your Dom which could be really, really bad unless you were looking for a really dangerous way of potential catharsis which I would strongly, strongly, strongly advise against. 
Disclaimer here:  I am a licensed counselor who has worked heavily with clients who have ptsd.  I am not your counselor, though, so these are only thoughts I am offering within a scenario of which I am getting a little snippet and I am treating it as a hypothetical as I don't have specifics and I don't know you.  I am offering some general thoughts and queries that I would offer in any such question-posed scenario; I am not intending this as treatment.  Your safety does not appear to be in jeopardy, which is good.  If at any point that changes, please seek help immediately.  I urge you to be sure you are attending to your therapeutic needs with your own counselor.  I will be glad to talk more about this issue with you, but I have to put out there that despite my background, I am doing it as a participant on the message boards and not as someone who is treating you.  Be safe!  :> 
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RE: Getting over PTSD - 10/1/2008 4:45:55 PM   
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Bella, my heart goes out to you.  Been there, done that, feel that and truly empathize.  I have "worked" in therapy for 30 years on and off and it just doesn't go away.  As a matter of fact, it was hidden so far inside of me that  after about the half way point did I even allow myself to bring it to my mouth to say what I knew.  But every time I brushed my teeth and esp my tongue, it was THERE! 
 

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ORIGINAL: Bella73

He has never pushed me to do this but I have tried because I wanted to please him.  When I've done this I go into a really bad place and it's hard to explain.  Basically I freeze and just start feeling very strong emotions out of the blue...fear, anger, grief and I fight hard to hold everything in.  I would welcome any suggestions on ways to keep me from going into this "freeze".  One thing I thought about was to just continue doing it and hopefully it will just eventually go away?     


These are not strong emotions out of the blue, they are part of you and "working them" is the only way I have been able to mostly over come.  These last 2 months have been esp difficult as the "parasites" have been eating at me again.
 
Some one shared with me these thoughts:
Sometimes fear makes cowards of us all.
Sometimes it is easier to stay in a miserable place, than risk moving on.
The risk is of course fresh new pain when one hasn't yet recovered from the old.
So we stay in our miserable place.
We embrace the known pain.
We wrap it around us like a warm blanket on a cold night.
We begin to believe we are warm and safe and dry. However, we are lying to ourselves.
The blanket doesn't keep us warm.
It is wet and heavy, and a burden to carry.
It keeps us down, not warm.
Worse yet, this blanket is infested with insidious, evil creatures, that burrow into our heart and soul. Creepy, crawly creatures.
Worms of self doubt, and self loathing.
The longer we remain wrapped in this blanket,
the deeper inside of us they dig.
Finally, they nest, and create a comfortable environment for themselves within us.
They are parasites.
Like all parasites in nature,
they will continue to eat away at the host, until they the host dies from their destructive ways.
Killed from within.

And what I took away from what was shared it that I need to rid every parasite by removing the blanket but the parasites have dug so deep (tis why it is PTSD) that I seem to removing some just about every year.  The blanket is truly a friend and I do still slip it on occasionally.
 
"Pleasing" someone, for me is like seeking approval.  I must find approval within myself to rid myself of these parasites.  MY approval, pleasing MYself. 
 
If you want to mail on the other side, please do so.  I am sure others have helpful advice because PTSD is not uncommon and there are other threads on this in archive.

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RE: Getting over PTSD - 10/1/2008 5:12:33 PM   
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Hi, Bella73----
I am so, so sorry to hear of the past abuses that have led to your developing ptsd. That you have been working on/through it in therapy is a really good thing. :> Have you discussed this particular scenario with your counselor and, if so, what was his or her suggestion(s)?
What you are describing sounds like you lose your sense of grounding when you attempt to swallow. Are you familiar with that terminology? Does this sound accurate? What tools/techniques have you learned in therapy that have helped with you maintaining your grounding? Do you think that those tools could be generalized to the oral sex and swallowing situation?
Freezing, fear, anger, grief, holding everything in. Those are strong things. The first and last seem linked, the middle 3 seem a distinct grouping, though they, of course, all roll together.
It is wonderful that your Dom is understanding. I think that asking him for more help, to build trust and to better distinguish him from your abuser when you have those very strong emotions is important. Also, to process and share the emotions above may help. How can he help cue you to the present rather than the past?
Without some effective symptom management, I fear that if you "just continue to do it", your response/revulsion toward the past abuser could generalize to your Dom which could be really, really bad unless you were looking for a really dangerous way of potential catharsis which I would strongly, strongly, strongly advise against.
Disclaimer here: I am a licensed counselor who has worked heavily with clients who have ptsd. I am not your counselor, though, so these are only thoughts I am offering within a scenario of which I am getting a little snippet and I am treating it as a hypothetical as I don't have specifics and I don't know you. I am offering some general thoughts and queries that I would offer in any such question-posed scenario; I am not intending this as treatment. Your safety does not appear to be in jeopardy, which is good. If at any point that changes, please seek help immediately. I urge you to be sure you are attending to your therapeutic needs with your own counselor. I will be glad to talk more about this issue with you, but I have to put out there that despite my background, I am doing it as a participant on the message boards and not as someone who is treating you. Be safe! :>
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Davan,
I'm currently not in therapy, honestly with the exception of a few small things that are only triggered during sex I very well grounded.  Thank you for the advice and I don understand what you are saying about seeing my Dom as the abuser if I keep pushing this.  That actually has happened with someone else in the past and I don't want it to happen again.  You mentioned some ideas for staying grounded and I would be very interested in learning some techniques that might help.  I do know the exact trigger that "freezes" me and that's the feel of it on the back of my throat.  I have a really strong urge to vomit, but it's not like it's gagging me.  When I was little and forced to do this I always vomited.  That sensation is what makes me have all the feelings that I struggle to hold back.  My other idea is to just allow myself to have these feelings.  I usually push people away when I'm trying to keep everything together.  I told my Dom to insist on holding me no matter how hard I push him away so I'm forced to feel what I'm trying to suppress.  I'm not sure if that is a good idea either, but even after he's done this I've been able to keep it in. 

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RE: Getting over PTSD - 10/1/2008 5:16:01 PM   
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My sympathies as well as one who has/is going through similar things.  I would caution against forcing yourself to do what seems is basically unbearable for you.  I would instead work on low desensitization alongside your therapist and with open lines of communication with you Dom.  Also, learning and using grounding techniques can also help bring the flooding under control.  Use as many of your senses as possible to separate the past and the present.  Tactile and voice are often very potent.  As unsexy as it sounds, keep your eyes open and name objects in the room to yourself and name the color, texture, size, etc of it as a reminder of your present surroundings as well.  This keeps your mind busy.  If needed, discuss anti-anxiety medications with your doctor.  These are some things that have gotten me through things that were either extremely difficult or that I wanted to take back in the worst way.  I wish you all the best and feel free to message me on the other side.

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RE: Getting over PTSD - 10/1/2008 5:20:01 PM   
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Oh and another thought....

There is this great workbook out there called The Courage to Heal.  I don't recall who the author is, but it can be ordered or purchased at most bookstores.  It is specifically designed to address sexual abuse survivors and particularly those suffering with PTSD.  It talks about grounding techiques, learning your triggers, and how to recover memories if needed.  I thought you might want to check it out.

Again all my best to you,
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RE: Getting over PTSD - 10/1/2008 5:32:52 PM   
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You don't say if you're on medication to attempt to lessen the flashbacks. You might want to try that and then work through.

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RE: Getting over PTSD - 10/1/2008 5:40:06 PM   
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Hi, Bella----
You said: 
Davan,
I'm currently not in therapy, honestly with the exception of a few small things that are only triggered during sex I very well grounded.  Thank you for the advice and I don understand what you are saying about seeing my Dom as the abuser if I keep pushing this.  That actually has happened with someone else in the past and I don't want it to happen again.  You mentioned some ideas for staying grounded and I would be very interested in learning some techniques that might help.  I do know the exact trigger that "freezes" me and that's the feel of it on the back of my throat.  I have a really strong urge to vomit, but it's not like it's gagging me.  When I was little and forced to do this I always vomited.  That sensation is what makes me have all the feelings that I struggle to hold back.  My other idea is to just allow myself to have these feelings.  I usually push people away when I'm trying to keep everything together.  I told my Dom to insist on holding me no matter how hard I push him away so I'm forced to feel what I'm trying to suppress.  I'm not sure if that is a good idea either, but even after he's done this I've been able to keep it in. 

My reply: 
Depending on how important sex is to you, reinitiating therapy with a sex-positive therapist (Check out the Kink Aware Professionals List on the National Coalition for Sexual Freedom web page), esp. one that is at least cognizant of basic ptsd treatment would be a good idea. 
I am glad that you understand what I am saying about re-traumatizing yourself and coming to see your Dom as your abuser.  That would be reeeeeeeally bad for you and for the longevity of the relationship. 
What grounding techniques do you currently use elsewhere that help?  I think it would be valuable to see if these can generalize into matters sexual.  Use what works.  What works elsewhere? 
I have a very close friend who warned a male that if he ejaculated in her mouth, she'd vomit.  He didn't believe her/didn't care/etc.  He was mighty surprised when he did his thing and she promptly vomitted on him.  Sounds like you're dealing with a natural gag reflex (Even though it's not gagging you) that is worsened by the trauma.  Have you and your Dom tried anything that could safely approximate the same sensation without being the actual body part where he could support you as you are working through the impulses? 
If a dear friend who may be reading my posts sees what I am about to say next, he may point out to me that I need to take my own advice, so I am noting in advice his correctness (On a different scenario but the general thought): It's not an either/or proposition that you either let the feelings bowl you over or you wrestle to keep them inside.  You can choose to learn to safely let them out.  And while it may seem like absolutely necessary self-preservation to push others away in the face of the feelings, it may not be necessary if you are able to be safe with them and to share them with someone safe.  I would hope that your Dom would wish to help with that. 
I have grave concerns about the re-traumatization of holding you there as you try to pull back.  If you didn't have trauma issues, the thought-process I would have on the scenario would be entirely different but you do and I fear it's not a good approach, to put it mildly. 
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RE: Getting over PTSD - 10/1/2008 5:56:58 PM   
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Bella,
I understand where you are coming from. Additionally, I also understand the need or desire to over come this issue or work through it, or however you want to phrase this.  My main concern, as well as my experience is that the more you try and force yourself to be okay with something the more out of control you may feel and behave.   I know someone else mentioned the Courage to Heal book. I'm not a fan of that book, however there is a book that's helped me tremendously regarding PTSD.  It's called Seeking Safety by Lisa Najavits. It's got about 80 something coping skills that may help. My over all recommendation would be to find a competent and qualified therapist. I understand that you've done the majority of the work necessary to heal the damage from your past; however the reality is most of us can use a fine tune every once in a while.
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RE: Getting over PTSD - 10/1/2008 10:34:30 PM   
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I was abused when I was little by a neighbor.  Not only sexually, but mentally and physically as well.  I was not a very co-operative victim needless to say.  Abuse like this is not centered around sex as much as it is power.  Kids fighting back can be over powered, if anything perhaps this made it all the more excieting for my abuser that I fought back and was non-complient.

It's a bit of a catch 22 mind fuck situation.  Where if you fight back you are only goning to somehow make it worse for yourself, but if you don't you are giving in to what is being done to you.  This abuse happened to me when I was between 4-5 years old.  Thank God my family moved.  All this happened when it was 1970.   The education awareness and levels of this stuff has greatly improved.

However, for the next 10 years I suffered extreme Night Terrors (All part of PTSD).  Although we had moved I still was being attacked at night by some evil force in my dreams.  There are other ways that it had effected me, but it's all taken time and many years to deal and sort out.   Many years without knowing anything about PTSD, nor anybody realizing what was really going on with me.   Thank God, PTSD is something that people are aware of now days.

The Night Terrors, with waking Dreams, being totally froozen in bed with my eyes open and unable to move, experiecing what is comparable to what a demonic attack by some supernatural force.  Scarey Stuff.   Part of my life felt like I was living out my personal Horror story with a Demonic Enity watching me over my shoulder, ready to strike at any moment.

I remember at one point in time, I turned towards God and Jesus to save me.  I had started making crosses like mad, blessing them and hanging them all around my room.  Prayers and all that.  Still my demonic friend of night terror dreams did not stay gone for long.  I actually resorted to exploring wiccian ways as well.   Working with spells, wards and anything having to deal with magical protection.  That did not work out so well either.  :-(  The older I grew, I would try anything spiritual or magical that I discovered to no avail.

Something amazing started to happen.  Instead of being fearful of this Demonic attacker in my Night Terror dreams.  I grew frustrated.  I wanted it to go away.  I wanted it to be gone.  I wanted to sleep safe and sound.  So many years and this thing had not killed me yet.  OK, frustration sets in.  

Frustration leading to something called angar.  I actually started to become pissed off.   It's now the 1980-1981 time period.  10 years of this Hell was enough for me.   I became menatally empowered to want to fight back.   If God, Jesus and witchcraft and all things spiritual have failed me.  Last resort is for me to fight back myself.  Nothing else was working.  So, I started working with manipulating things inside my dreams.  The attacks would occur while I was dreaming and I'd open my eyes to have it continue to happen outside of my dreams.  Whenever I was attacked in my dreams, I was working on trying to not run and stick it out.  Felt like this process took forever, however I felt myself growing stronger in my dreams.  Then there was that one last night, when I was in waking dream mode.  Eyes wide open and feeling my legs being shook, being attacked.  I tried really hard to speak.  It was so hard, it was like being in a paralyzed body.  I managed to slowly and speak for the first time ever.   I asked "Who are you".   I still don't understand to this day, why I asked that question.  Of all things in the world I could have said.

I felt my legs stop being shook, the hands letting go of me.  Silence, the attack at stopped.  I was laying there waiting for the response.  Intense new territory to be in.  I was wondering what my evil demonic attacker was thinking.  Then Next thing I felt, the complete weight of my Demonic attacker come crashing down upon my whole body.   Another new first.  Wow... what happened next I was not prepared for.  I had never heard this demonic enitity speak ever!!  However, is a low low low deep voice there was a whisper I'll never forget!   Slowly speaking and saying ... "On of these days I'm going to get you"... then it felt literally like it disappeared.  The weight upon me vanishing off my body. 

That was it, the last time I had had a direct attack.   I felt somewhat empowered.   However for a few more years, it would attempt to attack me in my dreams.  Whenever it tried, I would chase it down and go after it.   I wanted to kick it's fucking ass.  My demonic attacker was really a pussy.  Oh boy lions and tigers and bears.

Now, this was just one of many battles I've had with PTSD.  There are many things I've had to overcome, deal with or work past.  However, one thing remains consistent.   That that when I've had enough of something, to be bold enough to face it and work at dealing with it.   To push myself even.  

There was another time period, when I myself literally started ripping into things and turning my world upside down.   As somebody pointed out on this thread already.   The whole flooding sensation that can occur.  I discovered a whole treasure chest of hidden memories by accident.  It was literally a flood and there were moments when I literally found myself curled up and reliving the whole experience again.  I had one conselor who noticed I literally was talking like a 4-5 year old during one of these memories when it unsurfaced.  I was still in touch with myself as an adult, however during this flashback.

The kicker is this, that I was urged by some to take things slowly.  However, I'm a little hard headed and I pushed myself really hard.  It was a crazy time period.  It really paid off, no matter how much of a Hell ride it was.

As others have mentioned grounding helps a lot.   I actually have to ground myself at times and be attuned with my own past, and rationalize what is going on.  I have to make a conscious choice of pushing forward and doing.   The more you do, the more you actually sort of deprogram your mind.   Should I say reprogram yourself with new actually living experiences.   You really can't replace your past.  However you can some to new understandings, see things in a different light as an adult.  When you are a kid, you really don't understand nor are able to cope with a lot things, that you can as an adult.  

So for me, I had to open up my past, gain a different view or perspective of what happened to me.  To push myself past some hangups and do things that were not always easy to do.  To repeat repeat and rinse.  (a little humor there).

Also one thing that is empowering is to open up and talk about this with other people at times.  It's another way of breaking the chains that are holding you to the abuse.

One thing I deeply appreciate are the strengths that resulted from my abuse.  It effects you in both positive and negative ways.  I know it might seem difficult to see the good in the middle of so much darkness, but it's there if you really look at yourself and who you are as awhole person.

One thing with PTSD and how past abuse effects you,  just when you think you've figured everything out and have worked pasted every problem, you discover a new one to work through.  Not a bad thing, even more so when the new issues are not as bad as the previous ones.  :-)

Needless to say, I no longer believe I was the victim of Demonic attack.  My mind is free from that sort of ingorance and dark age thinking.  However, for the longest time, I believed this in my mind because it was the only thing that made sense to me.

Spotting PTSD early on, getting help for it and being able to understand it can make all the world of difference in somebody's life. 

I wish you the best of luck in dealing with your issues.  You can work past them!!  It gets better in time with the more work you put into it.  One thing is for certain ingoring the problems or what is going on won't fix it.   Take it at whatever pace you feel is right or needed for you.  


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RE: Getting over PTSD - 10/1/2008 10:46:02 PM   
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Hi bella, I work in the mental health field, and urge you to work with a therapist regarding the specific symptoms. If you go to the Kap website, you may be able to find a therapist in your area who will work with you around specific targeted activities that trigger PTSD symptomology. Dealing with the effects of post traumatic stress disorder is a lifelong process as triggers appear when you might not exect them, they can be an activity, smell, sight or situation. Please feel free to take advantage of any help you can get dealing with them.
Take care and I wish you the best of luck in serving the way you desire.

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RE: Getting over PTSD - 10/4/2008 9:44:54 AM   
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Thanks to everyone that took the time to respond.  However, I'm do feel a bit frustrated that most people believe the only answer is therapy or medication.  I'm sorry, but I do not totally agree.  I do agree that there is a time and place where therapy and medications are needed.  I have in the past done both those things.  I really don't believe that I'm in a place where I need it at this time.  My life no longer feels out of control or like it's run by the abuse.  In fact because of what I had been through and my previous therapy I am very in touch with my feelings and am able to tell when I need help.  I believe that the biggest thing to learn in therapy is how to take care of yourself and deal with difficult emotions on your own.  A therapist is there to teach you the tools you need so you can help yourself.  I had a wonderful therapist that taught me the skills I needed to "survive".  After giving birth to my last child I suffered from depression.  I had dealt with it before and knew what I needed to get over it.  I went on anti-depressants for about a year and then just "knew" when I felt well enough to stop using them.  Because of this I am an extremely strong person, I have confronted my abuser, I rarely have flashbacks, I rarely have night terrors, I know what my triggers are.  When I posted my goal was just to get some suggestions on ways to ground myself during the the one sexual act that still brings me back to my past.  I was just curious what works for others that have dealt with this.

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RE: Getting over PTSD - 10/4/2008 11:26:51 AM   
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I've been on the other side of this -- doing the "same thing the perpetrator did" with the trauma survivor.  You don't go into how your partner/Dom deals with these acts.  For me, it's been very difficult, both emotionally and sexual-technically.  I feel guilty as hell if I induce a flashback, but on the other hand I don't want to give off a vibe in any way that I think she is sullied or somehow untouchable because of the experience, so I do my best not to hold back, and treat her as though she is healthy.

A lot depends on the energy the two of you have together, not just what you bring to the table alone.  Has he come to terms with this?  I mean really really?  For me, it is soooo hard to hit someone who has been hit-for-real, or to full-on dom someone who has been subjugated-for-real.  It's the only thing about topping that genuinely frightens me.  But the reality is that she is just as deserving of sexual pleasure, and emotional intimacy, as anyone else, and I'm not doing her any favors by acting as though she's some fragile China doll.  So it's a problem inside of me -- an insecurity about my own sexuality -- not her fault or responsibility to deal with.

Have you had a serious conversation about how this situation bothers him, not just how it bothers you?  If not, weird as it might sound, you might be well served by focusing on his needs and insecurities about your PTSD.

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RE: Getting over PTSD - 10/4/2008 11:52:59 AM   
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I've been on the other side of this -- doing the "same thing the perpetrator did" with the trauma survivor. You don't go into how your partner/Dom deals with these acts. For me, it's been very difficult, both emotionally and sexual-technically. I feel guilty as hell if I induce a flashback, but on the other hand I don't want to give off a vibe in any way that I think she is sullied or somehow untouchable because of the experience, so I do my best not to hold back, and treat her as though she is healthy.

A lot depends on the energy the two of you have together, not just what you bring to the table alone. Has he come to terms with this? I mean really really? For me, it is soooo hard to hit someone who has been hit-for-real, or to full-on dom someone who has been subjugated-for-real. It's the only thing about topping that genuinely frightens me. But the reality is that she is just as deserving of sexual pleasure, and emotional intimacy, as anyone else, and I'm not doing her any favors by acting as though she's some fragile China doll. So it's a problem inside of me -- an insecurity about my own sexuality -- not her fault or responsibility to deal with.

Have you had a serious conversation about how this situation bothers him, not just how it bothers you? If not, weird as it might sound, you might be well served by focusing on his needs and insecurities about your PTSD.

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Not with envy, not with a twisted heart, shall you feel superior, or go about boasting. Rather in goodness by action make true your song and your word. Thus you shall be highly regarded, and able to live in peace with all others.
- 15th century Aztec


Red,
Thanks for the reply, you made me think of things I have not thought of.  I see why you are having trouble dealing with your own feelings surrounding this as well.  I don't know if this will help or not but this is just how I see things.  I can see how D/s and abuse can at times seem like the same type of act.  For a long time I wondered why I was turned on by something that had acts very similar to the abuse.  The abuse was obviously very damaging, but I some how find D/s empowering.  With my abuser I had no control, no power, no choice.  But the truth is I have all of those things in my D/s relationship.  Although, D/s is all about giving up control, it is my choice to do so.  It's empowering for my because I'm doing all these things by choice and I'm finding pleasure(with the exception of that one act) in doing them.  It's like shoving it in my abuser's face and saying:  "Look! I'm giving myself freely and finding pleasure in it". 

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RE: Getting over PTSD - 10/4/2008 11:55:04 AM   
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To some degreee, the type of trauma suffered will indicate spome paths you can take to heal. A good suport group is excelent especially if it is made up of others who suffered similar traumas.. Personally, I suffered PSD from Vietnam intitially but have other layers of similar trauma from opps undertaken by my Mercinary Company in both SE Asia and South America as well as my Body Guard Team in the Middle East.  generall;y speaking having good counsellors who are empathic helps a great deal to enable you to talk and tell it how it was for you. Maintaining friendships will comrads helped me as well and a family who are caring and understanding and who will let you just do your thing (but keep you from harm at the same time). Personally I still work things out on a combat range with a wide variety of military weapons which is something I both need and am still required to do). Time does help heal if not completely at least to a level where you can confront your daemons and take back control...

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