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sub or bottom ? which could switch ? - 12/3/2005 11:17:59 PM

Termyn8or

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Hi all;

Does bottom mean just that the person is the one tied up ? Does Master mean it's always a 24/7 thing ?

There are so many gray areas in kink that it would be futile to attempt to describe.

How many subs out there would be able to hold a key, or maybe play Hucklberry for their Master ? By that I mean close, if nothing else, the last lock. Then do what you were previously instructed to do with that key.

To absolutely refuse to simply put bands on your Master's wrists is almost saying the you won't help him on with a wristwarch, or necklace, or a holster for his gun. I know it's not quite the same, but some people are headed in that direction.

See, one of my stronger fantasies is mutual bondage, although I'm not sure exactly how to implement it. I know there is an "ask a switch" quarter, but I wanted to ask here.

Sometimes subs are told to Dom others. What if that happened ? You could do that I bet, but then you won't even apply something to Master's body, which He deems restorative and rejuvinating.

Which is it ? Will you serve or will you not ? That is the question.

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RE: sub or bottom ? which could switch ? - 12/4/2005 8:49:32 AM

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Does bottom mean just that the person is the one tied up ? Does Master mean it's always a 24/7 thing ?

There are so many gray areas in kink that it would be futile to attempt to describe.

It's not at all futile to describe it for yourself or learn how others describe it. It would be futile to insist we all agree.

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How many subs out there would be able to hold a key, or maybe play Hucklberry for their Master ? By that I mean close, if nothing else, the last lock. Then do what you were previously instructed to do with that key.

Not sure at all what you are asking here.

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Sometimes subs are told to Dom others. What if that happened ? You could do that I bet, but then you won't even apply something to Master's body, which He deems restorative and rejuvinating.
Well many people can be taught to both bottom and top. Whether they WANT to bottom or top is another story.

Teaching someone how to dominate and have the perspective in a relationship as the dominant...that's a trickier thing and in some ways might not be possible if it's not part of the persons innate orientation.

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Which is it ? Will you serve or will you not ? That is the question.

T

That's a question of limits, just like asking if a woman is willing to be bred or shave her head or anything else. For some people they don't care, for some people they love it and for some people it would be against their sense of self altogether.

Find one that works with you.

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RE: sub or bottom ? which could switch ? - 12/4/2005 12:08:16 PM

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What?

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RE: sub or bottom ? which could switch ? - 12/4/2005 1:07:14 PM

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Hi all;
...Sometimes subs are told to Dom others. What if that happened ? You could do that I bet... T

some subs can't dom a fly. it's just that way; they are submissive to the core. go figure.

i wish you well.

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RE: sub or bottom ? which could switch ? - 12/5/2005 12:00:06 AM

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It is sometimes hard to find words. Understand that I'm trying to make a specific point here and this is not all I am about. This is not quite playing devil's advocate, but it's close.
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So you're perfectly willing to put a collar on my dog but not on me. The time you spend stewing in restraints, regaining strength, testing physical limits and actually benefitting from this quiet time, time that I provide, will not be reciprocated because I guess Master status is lower than my dog.

From what Ive heard, Dee Luvbight enjoys damnear every bondage Mick puts her into, but hates the chastity belt. She wears it though, why ? Because he wants her to.

I wonder how glad she is to get released from it.

I think this goes back to the original topic, sub or bottom. Should there be another category or something ? A D/s switch versus a T/b switch, or something like that ?

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Kid: Mom ! (banging on bedroom door)
Me: Your Mom's not decent right now.
Kid: Then what are you doing in there ?.
Me: Guarding the door.
I take the gag off her and then;
She: Don't you have school in the morning ! .
Footsteps away.
Problem solved.

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RE: sub or bottom ? which could switch ? - 12/5/2005 12:06:44 AM

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i know you said you were playing the devil's advocate, but i don't understand a lot of what you said. i, for one, am not in any way dominant, and i can't imagine ever being that way. i can't dom a horse, i can't dom anyone. were i told by a dominant to dom him, i'd try but i already could predict the disaster that would ensue and hope that he'd be able to laugh about it. some can switch, some can't. it's just the wiring, i guess.

i wish you well.

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RE: sub or bottom ? which could switch ? - 12/7/2005 11:22:26 AM

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I do think that categorizing everyone in terms of d/s gets complicated. As a switch, it all depends on who I'm with, and perhaps on my mood. I don't think that a bottom is just "the one tied up." I know many masochistic dominants, also.

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RE: sub or bottom ? which could switch ? - 12/10/2005 5:23:23 AM

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I don't think being unwilling to put a collar on your Dominant implies that His status is lower than a dog. To some people, placing a collar implies control. Some submissives/bottoms/slaves simply have no desire for any kind of control. As others have said, some people just don't have it in them, since they are submissive to the core. If the submissive you are with doesn't fulfill a need you have to be tied, perhaps the two of you can negotiate a scene with a Dominant willing to do so. Or perhaps it's time to rethink the relationship. A BDSM relationship, as with any other relationship, is about meeting the needs of both parties. If you find yourself with your needs not being met, something needs to be done. Good luck.

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RE: sub or bottom ? which could switch ? - 12/10/2005 6:14:58 AM

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well usually a sub does as instructed...even if its tying up his/her owner

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RE: sub or bottom ? which could switch ? - 12/10/2005 8:08:40 AM

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To each their own.

If a Dominant man wants a submissive woman who will, occasionally, practice bondage on Him, then He should find one. Mind You, there will be women who have no inclination to do so, except in the case that it is following orders. There will also be bottoms who would make it a deal breaker. Some Dom/mes would make it one, too.

Personally? i could not pin my Master down if i tried, and i outweigh Him by a significant amount. Actually, i was talking to Him this morning, and the idea of what would happen if i had Him tied down came into my head. Then came the revelation of just how much trouble i'd be in, if He got out. Whoof, what a conundrum. You know how as a kid, you would be just out of reach of the person who wanted to spank you, and they were telling you to "Come here, and get your spanking?" Well... um... there is that moment (or 3) when i would have to weigh the options. "Can't reach me... can I run? Bigger trouble, but no spanking right now!" Once, i hid out in the honeysuckle bushes for 3 hours. Still got the spanking.

But that was not a "control" impulse for me, it was a flash of an idea, and a very strongly submissive repsonse. i am not sure i could effectively dominate someone else, sexually. i can lead at work. i can be bossy. But i am much better at surrendering control, or performing in the desire to reach a goal.

If my Master asked me to top someone, i would do my best. It is not abhorrent to me, it is just not really in my nature. i just don't think i'd be good at it. We'd get a lot of laughs, probably.

Termyn8or, if you want someone who is into the same things you are, just ask them before You commit!

Good luck to You.

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