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Termyn8or -> OTD>OPD-Off Politics discussion-Cleaning the toaster oven (10/2/2008 9:40:49 PM)

Sometime between now and the end of the year something important is going to happen. I am going to clean my toaster oven for the first time in about six years. Of course you never clean a grill, but every once in a while you must clean a toaster oven.

Now let's get on the same page here, because there are important issues to many, and one of those in the forefront for many is germs. That is a valid issues if not addressed properly. My toaster oven is thoroughly preheated to 400F prior to putting any food in there. At 400F the germs are pretty much gone, I mean really gone. This also reduces the amount of moisture in the toaster oven thus reducing capital waste.

Soap shall not touch these surfaces, even the chrome plating is well seasoned, things do not stick. By capital waste, I mean that you could've just put the food in a microwave. A toaster oven is not made to bake in. It is not meant to be run at 325F for an hiour to cook a piece of chicken. In fact you NEVER put uncooked or uncured meat in a toaster oven. That is simply asking for problems. If you stick to this rule, your toaster oven will be safe.

There are, and have been more even, people who will not allow a drop of soap to touch their cast iron skillet. Those who do usually dilute it so it does NOT soak in, which would screw up the seasoning. And the grill the same way, I never use foil, if the food needs foil, wrap it in it. People have eaten steaks I cooked and never suffered one ill effect, and I do it the same way as always.

First of all I only use charcoal, and I use enough of it to make a VERY HOT fire. There is a time the flames are shooting up, that is when the cleaning happens. The grate itself gets so hot I have to use a pair of pliers to handle it. And THEY get hot, even after a short time. The grate leaves dark marks, and all that is is carbon with a bit of grease and juice mixed in. The carbon could be from last year, but all carbon is from millions of years ago anyway. Once the grate is in that fire for a bit, which is a while if you know how to grill, there are no germs there. Yes I am careful about the edges and other things of course. Anything that didn't get super hot is suspect.

So the main reason to clean the toaster oven is because the grunge down at the bottom has been outgassing. Soap will never touch it, but water will, probably after it is preheated to 400F.

Also if I actually COOK meat in a skillet, I make sure to take the temperature up high AFTER cooking. Before washing.

Washing dishes - what good does it do to wash dishes if they are just going to contaminate each other ?

Now realize that I am chiefly talking about cooking surfaces here, other things bear more careful scrutinization. It all has to do with the handling of cooked meat vs uncooked. If cooked meat is to placed somewhere, that surface was not usually raised to 400F beforehand, like a plate or bowl. This is a whole different thing.

People love the steaks I cook and part of it is those lines seared into it, in fact I started turning them just slightly to make an X pattern in them. They eat them up, literally as well as figuratively. First time people "Where's the foil ?". Lol. About an hour later they will never ask again.

OK, before this really become rambling on, the idea is, if you can burn it you can cook on it. If raw meat touches it, you can only cook on it. If you can't burn it, care must be taken to avoid the spread of disease etc.

But when it comes to a burning surface, that is an acceptable meat cooking surface, burn it clean. Like I have a buddy who makes pretty good ribs (who doesn't), and between the first and second batch he changes the foil. Why ? You are putting uncooked meat on the surface from whence cooked meat just came ? Makes no sense.

What makes sense is NOT to go the other way.

Anyway, uncooked meat has never been in my famous toaster oven, and never will be. It is perfect, small, very fast in heating, and can bring french fries back alive. Yes you read that.

Get you some restaurant fries or pizza place fries, if you like them. I suppose I could do McD's and all that but this is different. The slightly bigger fries. It seems no matter what you do with them it just comes out terrible.Well I have a solution.

Now you take the fries out of the package and put them in a bowl.Start preheating, 400F or more. Once the thermostat kicksout for the second time, it is HOT. Keep it hot and pour water into the bowl with the fires. Cold COLD water.

You need them right under the top element(s), and turn once. Actually I did a batch I forgot to turn and they were still good, just not "right" IMO. In a way it is a temperature shock I guess. 

A microwave has a totally different function, understand the difference. In fact there are dishes for which I use both of them. Let it nuke for a little while, warm it just a bit, take the chill off, then to the toaster oven for real cooking. Something like chicken courdon blue would be best heated like that. Any kind of stuffed meat, as long as it is already cooked.

Any meat that is not cooked has to go one of a few places, a grill, a real oven, a skillet or a pot of boiling water.

Agree or disagree.

T




rexrgisformidoni -> RE: OTD>OPD-Off Politics discussion-Cleaning the toaster oven (10/2/2008 9:44:18 PM)

holy
shit

I think I need some sleep





slaveboyforyou -> RE: OTD>OPD-Off Politics discussion-Cleaning the toaster oven (10/3/2008 12:57:20 AM)

I don't EVER use soap in cast iron pots and pans.  I have a really old Dutch oven and some cast iron skillets.  I better not catch any guests attempting to plunge them into soapy water.  I do clean a grill with a wire brush on occassion, and spray it with oil to keep rust away.  I had a toaster oven, but I hated it.  You couldn't keep that damn thing clean.  I haven't had one in several years.  In my old place, it was a magnet for mice and I didn't have the trusty Miss Kitters (mistress of mousers) to fend off the little disgusting vermin.  I have a deep fryer that I never wash with soap too.  I simply strain the oil back into a jar, and wipe it out with a wet paper towel.  I keep two jars of oil, one for fish and one for other stuff (mainly chicken and potatoes.).  The microwave is a pet peeve of mine.  It REALLY pisses me off when people don't cover certain foods.  You can't heat up chili or frozen burritos in a microwave with out a cover.  I usually heat up some lemon juice and water to boiling in the microwave, than I wipe it down. 




MadAxeman -> RE: OTD>OPD-Off Politics discussion-Cleaning the toaster oven (10/3/2008 1:58:25 AM)

Couldn't you have cleaned it by the time you typed all that?




DesFIP -> RE: OTD>OPD-Off Politics discussion-Cleaning the toaster oven (10/3/2008 5:13:01 AM)

All I do in the toaster oven is sweep out the crumbs and Windex the glass door. And put the baking tray in the dishwasher when it's sticky.

But although a lot of people leave their grill on for ten minutes after cooking, I don't. I forgot about it once and drained the 5 gal propane tank. I do preheat it to 600 first and then scrub it. Plus a couple of times a season I tackle it with windex, newspapers and paper towels. If I could disassemble the damn thing easily I would spray it with oven cleaner and then hose it off.




rexrgisformidoni -> RE: OTD>OPD-Off Politics discussion-Cleaning the toaster oven (10/3/2008 7:13:07 AM)

My Dad has a cast iron skillet I have never seen anything touch it besides a paper towel every now and then...perfect fried potatoes...yummmm




Aileen1968 -> RE: OTD>OPD-Off Politics discussion-Cleaning the toaster oven (10/3/2008 7:17:43 AM)

1. Unplug.
2. Pick it up.
3. Turn it over.
4. Shake.
5. Done.




bipolarber -> RE: OTD>OPD-Off Politics discussion-Cleaning the toaster oven (10/3/2008 9:27:33 AM)

Or, better yet, since the thing is over 6 years old:

1) clip power cord off.
2) drop off at your local dump for metals recycling.
3) buy a new one, thus stimulating the economy that's been maimed by the GOP.
[;)]




LaTigresse -> RE: OTD>OPD-Off Politics discussion-Cleaning the toaster oven (10/3/2008 9:36:32 AM)

I don't own a toaster oven so I have no opinion there.

The grill gets wirebrushed to get rid of the chunks, that's about it.

My cast iron is soooooooo old and well seasoned a dip into soapy dishwater has no effect on the finish. If it were still even a few decades close to new I would season it after cleaning.




faerytattoodgirl -> RE: OTD>OPD-Off Politics discussion-Cleaning the toaster oven (10/3/2008 9:48:14 AM)

they are cheap enough to buy a new one so you dont need to clean the old one.




LaTigresse -> RE: OTD>OPD-Off Politics discussion-Cleaning the toaster oven (10/3/2008 11:40:40 AM)

I've just never felt the need to have a toaster oven. What exactly does a person do with one, that other appliances cannot do?

Now I am curious.




Aileen1968 -> RE: OTD>OPD-Off Politics discussion-Cleaning the toaster oven (10/3/2008 11:53:15 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

I've just never felt the need to have a toaster oven. What exactly does a person do with one, that other appliances cannot do?

Now I am curious.



I have a toaster not a toaster oven.  The one time I had a toaster oven, my electric bill went up substantially.  Those things are electric whores.




sub4hire -> RE: OTD>OPD-Off Politics discussion-Cleaning the toaster oven (10/3/2008 12:32:19 PM)

So, are you going to clean the toaster oven or not?




bipolarber -> RE: OTD>OPD-Off Politics discussion-Cleaning the toaster oven (10/3/2008 12:37:00 PM)

Well, according to a summer back issue of Mother Earth News, (yes, I'm a hippie M.E.N. reader) they say you CAN clean your cast iron skillits and other cookware using soap and water... however, you may have to re-"season" the metal by rubbing it with vegitable lard and baking it into the metal for about an hour at 350 deg. The main thing to watch out for is: to not allow the metal to rust... immediately wipe it down with a dry rag after washing it.




Termyn8or -> RE: OTD>OPD-Off Politics discussion-Cleaning the toaster oven (10/3/2008 2:09:17 PM)

You don't understand, first of all this one is many many years old. It was cleaned six years ago, that was the second time. It used to be my Grandmother's.

It does 400F in about two minutes PLUS radiant heat. Things like a chicken breast or something come out great. The fries are a newer development, after I figured it out. All I did was to put them in at 400 and found they were dry, then decided on the water, now they come out supurb.

I still haven't gotten fish or shrimp to come out really good, but I am still working on it.

I know it is an electricity hog, it already burnt the plug off once. And there are no vents for the mice to get in. It is perhaps 35 years old.

Thing is, you can't buy a toaster oven with this power in so small a size anymore. Well I guess at a second hand store.

T




MadAxeman -> RE: OTD>OPD-Off Politics discussion-Cleaning the toaster oven (10/4/2008 12:42:27 AM)

Have you tried any of the numerous sites dedicated to the cleaning and maintenance of toaster ovens?




thishereboi -> RE: OTD>OPD-Off Politics discussion-Cleaning the toaster oven (10/4/2008 6:31:32 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: bipolarber

Or, better yet, since the thing is over 6 years old:

1) clip power cord off.
2) drop off at your local dump for metals recycling.
3) buy a new one, thus stimulating the economy that's been maimed by the GOP.
[;)]


OK, I gotta ask......why do you clip the power cord off?




thishereboi -> RE: OTD>OPD-Off Politics discussion-Cleaning the toaster oven (10/4/2008 6:34:16 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

I've just never felt the need to have a toaster oven. What exactly does a person do with one, that other appliances cannot do?

Now I am curious.



When I moved in with my ex, she didn't have a stove or oven. I got a huge toaster oven instead. My mom used to use hers if it was really hot out and she didn't want to turn on the oven and heat up the whole kitchen. In my last house, I used to use it to heat up mini pizza's and stuff because I didn't want to turn on the oven for something that small.




Termyn8or -> RE: OTD>OPD-Off Politics discussion-Cleaning the toaster oven (10/4/2008 10:00:12 AM)

I think I figured out fish last night. Water it down and nuke for like 30 seconds, then into 400F it goes. Came out pretty good.

Mini pizzas aren't the only pizza that comes out better. I hate nuked pizza. I found one microwave that can do it fairly well, I found it for my Mother years ago. When you could buy a microwave for $79 this was over $150 wholesale. Other microwaves seem to just melt the cheese onto the plate while leaving in center cold. The toaster oven seems to sear the cheese a bit, which keeps it on the pizza. It makes the crust nice and crispy as well.

I also make a sausage sandwhich from time to time, like the pizza place kind. With an uncut hoagie bun make a V cut in the top, like subway does. After you fry up the sausage and throw a bit of sauce or salsa on it put a little cheese at the bottom (this keeps the sauce from blowing out of the bottom), add the sausage and sauce, then cheese on top. The innards are already hot and fully cooked, so into the 400F it goes. When the cheese on the top starts to brown, bon apetite'.

Note that you do let it cool a bit.

Reheating meat is it's best function. Say you have a pork chop dinner. A couple of chops, some spuds or homefries and a veggie. It all gets nuked for a bit, but the meat goes in the toaster oven after about a minute.

In fact I had to make it a point not to put the microwave and toaster oven on the same circuit, each pulls around ten amps and the breakers are twenty amps. Mathematically that makes it alot more likely that I would have to go all the way down in the basement to reset the breaker. Not fun at midnight when I am walking around in my underwear.

T




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