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And Here Comes the Sarahcuda... - 10/5/2008 10:17:47 AM   
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Status: offline 		          The traditional role of the veep nominee is the campaign attack dog.  The leash is off.

    The Associated Press "analysis" is here 

   It just seems to read better with this playing in the background   Great riff.


"Our opponent ... is someone who sees America, it seems, as being so imperfect, imperfect enough, that he's palling around with terrorists who would target their own country,"
"This is not a man who sees America like you and I see America," she said. "We see America as a force of good in this world. We see an America of exceptionalism."


    

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RE: And Here Comes the Sarahcuda... - 10/5/2008 10:22:26 AM   
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Status: offline 		Aah, the old McCarthyist unAmerican slurr. I guess the Republicans nevewr get that far up the barrel so its easy for them to scratch the bottom of it.

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RE: And Here Comes the Sarahcuda... - 10/5/2008 10:27:31 AM   
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Status: offline 		"Our opponent ... is someone who sees America, it seems, as being so imperfect, imperfect enough, that he's palling around with terrorists who would target their own country,"

that is why it is hard to have reasoned discourse.

This is why, since it pales to give any creedence beyond: she's a dumb fuckin' cunt. 

Just like the bottom line to the thread started by Sanity, saying something regarding Palin.

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RE: And Here Comes the Sarahcuda... - 10/5/2008 10:33:53 AM   
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Status: offline 		      Who the hell said anything about reasoned discourse, Ron?  This is the last 30 days of the campaign.  It gets nasty now.  Talking about Obama having a very different worldview than the people he wants to lead is going to get her called a rascist, and you calling her a cunt is going to get you labeled as a sexist.

    

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RE: And Here Comes the Sarahcuda... - 10/5/2008 10:37:28 AM   
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Status: offline 		LOL, Rich....nobody has to make a mad dive for the Ronco LabelPerfect.

I have never claimed to be other than a sexist.  She has claimed by dint of lousy arts to be other than a dumb fuckin' cunt.

There is a distinction of import there.

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RE: And Here Comes the Sarahcuda... - 10/5/2008 10:45:03 AM   
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Status: offline 		She is not a cunt, but nor, as a woman, do I have to respect her just because she is a woman.  My boy, who is oddly a far better carrier of the torch of female equality than I will ever be, pointed out that just because she is a woman is no reason to ‘respect’ her accomplishments, to do so is itself is sexiest.  I personally feel that there are few great crimes than acting stupid because that’s what (some) of the boys like.  If she choices to repeat statements which were long ago disproved (and she has done this with SEVERAL different statements she is just further showing herself to be the vapid, mindless mouth piece of her handlers.  A ‘twue maverick’ would end the harmful cycle of ‘going negative’ cause, you know, going negative is really what the American people would see as change.       

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RE: And Here Comes the Sarahcuda... - 10/5/2008 10:50:56 AM   
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She is not a cunt, but nor, as a woman, do I have to respect her just because she is a woman.  just because she is a woman is no reason to ‘respect’ her accomplishments, to do so is itself is sexiest.


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RE: And Here Comes the Sarahcuda... - 10/5/2008 10:53:25 AM   
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This is old ::koffs:: news. This minnow is going to have to do better than dredge up old copies of Fox News scripts.

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RE: And Here Comes the Sarahcuda... - 10/5/2008 11:01:28 AM   
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She is not a cunt, but nor, as a woman, do I have to respect her just because she is a woman.  just because she is a woman is no reason to ‘respect’ her accomplishments, to do so is itself is sexiest.


well said!




         But to raise any challenge of Barack Obama, probably to not vote for him, before all is said and done, is rascist.

      Got it.

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RE: And Here Comes the Sarahcuda... - 10/5/2008 11:07:15 AM   
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Status: offline 		I have no idea where you are getting that idea other than your apparent desire to make assumptions.  The same goes for him and goes for her.  To regard his accomplishments as more (or because of favors do to his race) is equally wrong.  On so many levels this is a highly historic race and yet there is a group (on both sides) which seem to which to draw back the argument to nonsense.  I am equally allowed to question why her 17 year old pregnant daughter is some how NOT an issue if his meeting face to face with a (note- WHITE 60s-ear terrorist; shame even further on those who leave the issue ambiguous to make link him with Islamic terrorists) somehow makes him a terrorism himself.  The reality is, it does all matter, all this personal baggage; shame we can’t actually make an informed decision as a society based on the actual  issues at hand.      

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RE: And Here Comes the Sarahcuda... - 10/5/2008 11:11:07 AM   
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....in my opinion, this is a serious error on Palins part. There are substantive issues that divide the two candidates. Real issues that deserve, even demand, debate. Palin going in this direction isn't harsh or tough. It's just a blatant attempt to distract attention away from real issues.

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RE: And Here Comes the Sarahcuda... - 10/5/2008 11:16:19 AM   
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Status: offline 		       It is what it is, Phil.  Isn't every attempt to call McCain '4 more years' a similar falsehood that is only intended to distract from the very real issues?  It comes to this pretty much every time.  Hate the game, not the player.

       And btw, thanks for your efforts on the topics behalf, but they just kicked it down to the basement.  Glad you found us.

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RE: And Here Comes the Sarahcuda... - 10/5/2008 11:33:48 AM   
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She is not a cunt, but nor, as a woman, do I have to respect her just because she is a woman.  just because she is a woman is no reason to ‘respect’ her accomplishments, to do so is itself is sexiest.


well said!




        But to raise any challenge of Barack Obama, probably to not vote for him, before all is said and done, is rascist.

     Got it.

I do not see.in any way that Sarah Palin qualifies as a "cunt". And as LadyL stated, i do not praise Palin's accomplishments because she is a woman.

If you care to qualify that as racist...feel free.


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RE: And Here Comes the Sarahcuda... - 10/5/2008 11:35:44 AM   
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      It is what it is, Phil.  Isn't every attempt to call McCain '4 more years' a similar falsehood that is only intended to distract from the very real issues?  It comes to this pretty much every time.  Hate the game, not the player.

     


.......i'd say this isn't even in the same ballpark. McCain is the Republican candidate, so was GWB. Thus the 'four more years' thing has at least some passing acquaintance with a resonable argument..........it's not a falsehood. It's merely recognising the reality of party politics. What Palin has done here is to suggest that Obama consorts with terrorists. Not even close in my opinion.

i have no idea what we're doing in the basement here........odd.

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RE: And Here Comes the Sarahcuda... - 10/5/2008 12:04:10 PM   
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"This is not a man who sees America like you and I see America," she said. "We see America as a force of good in this world. We see an America of exceptionalism."
    


And this is where I see one of the biggest problems - this implied sense of a right way and a wrong way to be, speak and do with the accompanying idea that unless one is, speaks and does as I do then one is somehow against the nation.

And more than that, this rather cynical and transparent ploy to encourage support not because of weight of argument or great policy ideas or supreme qualification for office but by appealing to a sense of common national identity which simply doesnt seem to exist and is as elusive to define as "Christian values". "Come on - you're one of us, arent you?".

And this wilful ignorance of quite why so much of the rest of the world has over this last eight years grown at best suspicious but in the main hostile towards the US, and worse still the total lack of interest in or even acknowledgement of that fact, based on the utter conviction that right and good reside exclusively in the US, is really quite troubling on its own account, let alone in combination with the "with us or against us" and obligation to prove oneself one way or the other of the first two paragraphs.

Its time for some serious change in foreign policy, a more reasoned approach by which the US might regain some of the respect it has lost overseas - and by that same mechanism for many of its inhabitants to break away from the dualistic and simplistic mindset that has been preached to them from the Whitehouse for two terms - a mindset which is certainly believed to be present given the appeal of the above quote.

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RE: And Here Comes the Sarahcuda... - 10/5/2008 3:49:00 PM   
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What Palin has done here is to suggest that Obama consorts with terrorists. Not even close in my opinion.




       His association with William Ayers is fair game, Phil.  It goes straight to character.  I'm sure we'll get some frantic whitewash going on his background (Wikipedia starts their article with him being an educator, for instance), but the device that prematurely detonated and killed his girlfriend was an anti-personnel bomb, packed with nails.  The organization Ayers helped found was planning to murder other people with it, than the ones who died that day.

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RE: And Here Comes the Sarahcuda... - 10/5/2008 4:00:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		McCain and Palin also have their radical connections.  MaCain- a 60s radical who denounced the war while he was still a POW) and Palin and the Alaskan secession movement.  It is true what they say, politics makes for strange bedfellows.  

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RE: And Here Comes the Sarahcuda... - 10/5/2008 4:02:31 PM   
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If you care to qualify that as racist...feel free.




          I was referring to the angle taken by the author in the link, Holly, and my own personal view on what path the tone of this campaign will take over the next 30 days.

        I fully expect to see the accusation flung around that anybody who opposes Obama must be a rascist, and that every attack on him will be characterized that way, as we see in the link.  William Ayers is white, yet somehow, there is a "racially tinged subtext" to talking about him.

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RE: And Here Comes the Sarahcuda... - 10/5/2008 4:08:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		This is because when the so-called ‘palling around’ is mentioned it is left open to interpretation that by ‘terrorist’ they mean Islamic terrorists.  After all, the same people running the campaign for the GOP also managed to mislead the American public into thinking that Iraqis were directly involved (and, more to the point, on the planes) in 9/11.   

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RE: And Here Comes the Sarahcuda... - 10/5/2008 4:10:21 PM   
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MaCain- a 60s radical who denounced the war while he was still a POW)



        Oh yeah.  It's gonna get ugly.  Thanks Lupi. 


     

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