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Planet of the Apes - 10/5/2008 12:03:46 PM   
Aneirin


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Status: offline 		Somewhere in the Universe, there must be something better than man!

Quote by 'Taylor' played by Charlton Heston in the 1968 version of the film


There are a number of films that serve to brow beat the human race, and when the race as a whole is not denegrated, the attention is focused on a country. The odd thing about that is, it is often the country that is being vilified, the film is made by that country's own people.

Do we really dislike ourselves that much, does, it serve any purpose, positive or negative to focus upon our actions in media ?

One good thing that does come from the film, 'Planet of the Apes', is that when we have eventually destroyed ourselves, the planet will most likely continue on as has it ever done and will continue to until it reaches it's true end, if it has one.

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RE: Planet of the Apes - 10/5/2008 12:12:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think it is obvious to all thinking people, the human race is deeply flawed.

Do man blame god or should god blame man? (Nietzche I think.)

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RE: Planet of the Apes - 10/5/2008 12:13:14 PM   
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RE: Planet of the Apes - 10/5/2008 12:17:29 PM   
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The purpose of literature, and by extension the more modern form of storytelling the movie, is to examine and discuss our condition and occasionally to propose improvements to it in a way which separates the issues from their actual context in order to examine them relieved of social and political influence?

E

They didn't measure the enlightenment of people leaving the movie theatre after seeing the latest Batman film.

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RE: Planet of the Apes - 10/5/2008 12:19:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		There is a difference between entertainment and literature Raechard!

Andorra by Max Frisch = literature
Stephen King = entertainment (unless anyone knows different?)

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RE: Planet of the Apes - 10/5/2008 1:06:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		I thank a lot of people look at the rest of humanity and  are ashamed of there actions..while ignoring there own. They absolutely love  to dream up scenarios where man destroys himself.

They may be right.

Thanks Aneirin for all the interesting threads you have started lately.

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RE: Planet of the Apes - 10/5/2008 2:49:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		It's that religious programming again. All major religions start out with the idea that human beings are fucked up to begin with (original sin, or whatever they may want to call it... infection by Theatans or whatever) and we pick up on the idea that we're all basically peices of shit until we adopt their way of thinking, at which point we are "saved." This basic idea finds it's way into all of our art and literature and media. It's drummed into us from the cradle to the grave...

Is it any wonder we think of ourselves as screwed up to begin with?



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RE: Planet of the Apes - 10/5/2008 3:23:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ohhhhhhhhh how I detest that movie! Okay, most anything Heston was in. I never understood why anyone thought he was a good actor.

But, I kinda think that we are meant to self destruct. Almost like a wicked cosmic experiment.

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RE: Planet of the Apes - 10/5/2008 3:24:43 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

Ohhhhhhhhh how I detest that movie!


s'funny - that was the reaction of everyone in the house this evening when it came on TV (except my son, who was most annoyed we insisted he switch it over)

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RE: Planet of the Apes - 10/5/2008 3:26:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		Charlton Heston was in a lot of those "humanity is doomed" flicks.  The one that I found particularly spooky was Soylent Green.  I think my favorite dystopian sci-fi film is Blade Runner.  If you think about all the things in that movie that have came to pass since it's release in 1982, it's eery.  As fuel supplies diminish, we are going to have to abandon the idea of living in suburbs.  So I can see us living in crowded, polluted megacities.  We are already seeing genetic engineering, constant government surveillance, and huge global corporations with their fingers in everything.  I don't think we hate ourselves, I just think we honestly understand how humanity is. 

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RE: Planet of the Apes - 10/5/2008 3:35:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		i like Heston's futuristic movies from Planet of the Apes to Omega Man (the Will Smith re-make I AM Legend was good too which will have a prequel sequel).  Children of Men was very intense for me since it was set in a more realistic near future date. scary as it sounds, i can actually see a society in which women will be unable to have children.

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RE: Planet of the Apes - 10/5/2008 3:43:11 PM   
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RE: Planet of the Apes - 10/5/2008 3:57:33 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyEllen

The purpose of literature, and by extension the more modern form of storytelling the movie, is to examine and discuss our condition and occasionally to propose improvements to it in a way which separates the issues from their actual context in order to examine them relieved of social and political influence.



It can be: "Un roman, c'est un miroir que l'on promène le long d'un chemin." (Stendhal) .

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RE: Planet of the Apes - 10/5/2008 4:18:19 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Aneirin

Somewhere in the Universe, there must be something better than man!


I'm a 100% certain somewhere in the universe their are many intelligent creatures better than man, on every conceivable level.

We as a group are a pretty sorry lot, Now, there are exceptional individuals, which gives hope to the possibility of a future humanity that is not shameful. But at present, I'm not proud of humanity, just of some humans.

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RE: Planet of the Apes - 10/5/2008 5:05:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		If you have ever doubted the evolution of homo sapiens from the greater apes just tune into a football game and watch the hard-core fans in the stands.  Those fat, hairy topless guys with body paint spelling out their team across their and their friends torsos.  And all this in sub-zero weather.  Yup, evolution in action.
 
Ain't natural selection grande?

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RE: Planet of the Apes - 10/5/2008 9:00:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		We're a "species in progress." We keep improving, and we seem to be working toward creating our own replacements... (either through genetic engineering, or robotics) it's quite possible that we're just an intermediary step in the development of true intelligence.

Still, I have to be amazed at our progress. In less than 200 years, we've gone from simple baloons, to walking on the moon. We've wiped out several major diseases, just through our force of will, and we are working at "pruning" out dead end trains of thought that lead us back to our barbarian ways.

Over just the last month, via that "leftie" radio station NPR, I've heard stories about our progress against cancer, and degenrative retina disease. Diabetes is in our sights now, and I have every expectation that we will be able to treat it in a decade or so. Last month, three other natins have launched their first probes to the moon, Mars, and one to a cometary nucleus. The "x-prize" for developing a 100mpg car may be called off, since several manufaturers are already developing vehicles that come close for production. These, and about a dozen other major stories were featured in just the last month...

Aint we an amazing bunch of primates?

As Sagan once said, "We're alive and aware, so that the universe can know itself."

The downbeat religions of the world can suck my balls.

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RE: Planet of the Apes - 10/6/2008 5:51:28 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyEllen

There is a difference between entertainment and literature Raechard!

Andorra by Max Frisch = literature
Stephen King = entertainment (unless anyone knows different?)

E


I have found wisdom in some of Stephen Kings words. I haven't read much of his work though. Two novels I think. I find, and accept, wisdom from many sources.

"If you don't have the time to do something right when are you going to find the time to fix it?" Stephen King.

I also quote Bazooka Joe: "Take plenty of time to make a quick decision."

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RE: Planet of the Apes - 10/6/2008 6:03:18 AM   
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We as a group are a pretty sorry lot, Now, there are exceptional individuals, which gives hope to the possibility of a future humanity that is not shameful. But at present, I'm not proud of humanity, just of some humans.



Interesting.  In my view, I flip it around - some of us are a pretty fucked up lot, but on the whole, the average person living his/her life, tending to loved ones, doing what needs to be done and living a fairly decent live... are the majority. 

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RE: Planet of the Apes - 10/6/2008 10:04:39 AM   
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Status: offline 		bipo, there already is a cure for diabetes. A preventative cure yes, but a cure nonetheless. That is one of the major reasons for my dismay of the medical profession. It is their oath, and they violate it every single day by witholding information.

Now what do you expect from the rest of the human race ?

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